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And it Begins:Special Prosecutor To Investigate Trump And Russia

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And something else. No one on Trump's team is politically savvy, including Trump. They aren't professional politicians.

So what you call blatantly lying could be seen as something as simple as "it's not your business." At least initially. Then it becomes something much bigger because you don't want to be seen as a liar, so you continue to lie.

For the record, I'm not saying they didn't or don't lie. Pretty sure they do, as it is the way of the Beltway.

The thing that pisses me off about it is how the media and establishment politicians keep acting like lying started with Trump, border separations started with Trump, NDA's and payoffs started with Trump, using tear gas to disperse invaders started with Trump, or anything else they get on the President about started with Trump, when the **** has been going on forever.

I know a lot of people have an issue with Trump calling the press "the enemy of the people." I am one of them. But the media is certainly not a friend of the people when they report half-truths, lie by omission and make stories fit an agenda or narrative. CNN, FOX, MSN, ABC, CBS, ABC and any others I might have missed are all guilty of it.

Free press doesn't mean you are free to just go around making up ****. They have a responsibility, and they have been derelict in executing that responsibility for decades.
 
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Tibs said:
The question no Trump supporter can answer in simple, understandable terms, so even Indy, Stewey & Confluence can understand.

Part 1. If there was nothing wrong with working with Russians during the campaign, why did all 16 Trump aides choose to lie about it?


Part 2. If there was nothing wrong with working with Russians during the campaign, why has Trump chosen to constantly lie about it, around the clock, seven days a week, two years straight?



5x Bonus Points: don't include Hillary, Obama or Democrats in your answer!
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your interpretation of "lie" may not be the same as others. As Sarge pointed out, it could be simply a "none of your business" type of thing. Or, when establishing contacts with foreign governments during transition, they could have quite simply been pleasantries and seeing who they need to contact in that government when/if necessary. Then when a reporter asks what they talked about, instead of being open and frank by stating "Yoga, grandchildren and recipes", they simply said "nothing."

Then that "nothing" is misconstrued and twisted until it arrives at the point of selling uranium for real estate ventures. Or whatever other cockamamie bullshit the MSM so valiantly wants it to be.

Do you honestly think the previous administration would have left a rolodex of contacts for the incoming administration?
 
hamster said:
Because people in Washington lie all of the time.
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Really? They lie to FBI and special counsel investigators (a felony)? They lie during congressional hearings (also a felony)? They lie on live tv when asked direct, pointed questions?
 
On point:

Stages of Trump Denial:

1. It didn’t happen.
2. Whatever happened wasn’t a big deal.
3. Someone else did it.
4. Whatever happened isn’t illegal.
5. The President can’t be liable for whatever happened.
6. Obama did it too.
7. Who cares if the President did it & it’s illegal?
8. ?
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Tim Steelersfan said:
Is a smocking gun like a semi-automatic 30-30? Same manufacturer?
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Ask your beloved, Dear Leader.

'Smocking Gun': Trump's latest mistake prompts derision and delight
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...umps-latest-typo-prompts-derision-and-delight

Last year he gave us “covfefe”. This year – and just in time for Christmas –Donald Trump has bestowed upon the English language the phrase: “Smocking Gun”.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Democrats can’t find a Smocking Gun tying the Trump campaign to Russia after James Comey’s testimony. No Smocking Gun...No Collusion.” <a href="https://twitter.com/FoxNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FoxNews</a> That’s because there was NO COLLUSION. So now the Dems go to a simple private transaction, wrongly call it a campaign contribution,...</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072095127894667265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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This latest social media blunder came as Trump has been furiously defending himself on Twitter over the past few days amid mounting pressure on several fronts.
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Tibs said:
Ask your beloved, Dear Leader.

'Smocking Gun': Trump's latest mistake prompts derision and delight
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...umps-latest-typo-prompts-derision-and-delight



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“Democrats can’t find a Smocking Gun tying the Trump campaign to Russia after James Comey’s testimony. No Smocking Gun...No Collusion.” <a href="https://twitter.com/FoxNews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@FoxNews</a> That’s because there was NO COLLUSION. So now the Dems go to a simple private transaction, wrongly call it a campaign contribution,...</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1072095127894667265?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 10, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Well aware Tibstard well aware.

Just find it comical that Trog, the man infamous for having shot a semi-automatic 30-30 (which doesn't and has never existed) would make fun of someone else speaking unintelligently about weapons.

You do see the irony?

You probably don't.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Well aware Tibstard well aware.

Just find it comical that Trog, the man infamous for having shot a semi-automatic 30-30 (which doesn't and has never existed) would make fun of someone else speaking unintelligently about weapons.

You do see the irony?

You probably don't.
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The difference is 99% of people know how to spell “smoking”. Most people don’t know the difference between 30-30 and a 30 caliber.
 
Troglodyte said:
The difference is 99% of people know how to spell “smoking”. Most people don’t know the difference between 30-30 and a 30 caliber.
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and the people who don't know the difference between a 30-30 and some fictional "assault rifle" should stfu and let us who do know make the laws pertaining to those.

as for your new found perch of righteousness based on a ******* spelling error, take that up with the Leftist New York Times ...

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/27/technology/donald-trump-twitter-spelling.html

Criticizing spelling is elitist.

You may argue that it’s all well and good for ordinary people to be careless about spelling on Twitter, but that a president should hold himself above the freewheeling mores of social media. Stodgy people tend to offer some version of this argument every time a politician uses a communications medium in some novel way. (Fogies were aghast when Bill Clinton addressed the boxers-or-briefs mystery on MTV in 1994, or when Barack Obama was interviewed by several YouTube stars, including GloZell Green, who once bathed in a bathtub full of cereal.)

Yet there is an even deeper sort of elitism underlying the criticism of spelling mistakes. It stems from people correlating accurate spelling with a good education and outsize intelligence, which is actually incorrect.

There is not much scientific evidence to suggest that spelling well is connected to high intelligence. In the same way that some people are naturally better at arithmetic than others, some are naturally better spellers than others (and some people have lexical disabilities, like dyslexia, that make spelling even more difficult). But if you spell well, you can still do lots of dumb things, and if you spell poorly, you can still be very smart.

Compared with numerical mistakes, though, misspelling hogs attention. Mr. Obama once said that he had visited 57 states and had two more to go — and everyone but his craziest critics understood that he had simply had a brain fart. But when Dan Quayle thought “potato” was spelled “potatoe,” it was basically the end for him — proof that the vice president of the United States was a dim bulb.

In “Does Spelling Matter?” Simon Horobin, a professor of English at Magdalen College, Oxford, said people were not always this intractable about spelling. Standardized spelling in English came about because of a technological advance — the printing press, which created a greater need for a common way of rendering words.

Still, for much of the 18th and 19th centuries, spelling was often something that only typesetters thought about. People would generally use their own spellings in private letters and diaries. This was true even of presidents, some of whom were extremely careless about spelling. Abraham Lincoln, for instance, misspelled pretty much everything, including the names of Civil War battlefields (“Fort Sumpter” instead of “Sumter”); wrote “inaugural” as “inaugeral”; and confused “emancipation” and “immancipation.”

It was only in the 20th century, as spelling became a mainstay of the modern public education system, that the ability to memorize how certain words should be rendered began to take on extra social weight.

“Suddenly it became a badge of your education and status,” Mr. Horobin said. “It mistakes what good spelling is about. It’s essentially a memory test, an exercise in rote learning — but we now take it for so much more than that.”

Focusing on spelling blinds us to content.

Standardized spelling has been with English for at least a few hundred years, and it has mostly served us well. So I understand that the idea of abandoning it, or at least relaxing our adherence to it, may sound frightening, like the first step on a short march to civilizational decline.

At the very least, there’s the brown M & M argument for spelling — if someone spells well, it shows they have taken care to write something, in the same way that the rock band Van Halen would prohibit brown M & Ms in its concert rider as a way to test the attention to detail of its stage crew. That Mr. Trump and his staff often misspell is a sign that they may be careless about everything else.

That’s a fair argument. But I’ll end with two things.

First, everyone’s sloppy sometimes, and more so these days, because our devices all but encourage it. Mr. Obama and his staff made spelling errors and other textual mistakes, too; one of his communications advisers once made one of the worst typos imaginable on Twitter, writing “bigger” with an N.

Second, there’s little evidence that how one types on electronic media has much to say about how one functions otherwise. One study, in fact, showed that kids who frequently used “textese” tended to be better at grammar than those who didn’t.

All of this suggests that we are simply giving too much weight to spelling and other typographical mistakes. Focus on what people say, not how they spell it.

“You’ll see this often on Twitter,” Mr. Horobin said. “Someone will post something that’s terrible — racist or homophobic or something — and a lot of people will respond to it with, aha, I see you have misspelled the word ‘its,’ and so I will not even engage with your argument. It seems to me that you’re missing the point. A racist tweet is a racist tweet, whether it’s spelled correctly or not.”
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Troglodyte said:
The difference is 99% of people know how to spell “smoking”. Most people don’t know the difference between 30-30 and a 30 caliber.
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Supe said it best.

However, I must ask...have you ever made a typo when texting on your phone, or typing a post in this forum? Simply curious. You're making a massive leap by saying the man doesn't know the proper spelling when the higher likelihood is that it was a typo.
 
Tim Steelersfan said:
Supe said it best.

However, I must ask...have you ever made a typo when texting on your phone, or typing a post in this forum? Simply curious. You're making a massive leap by saying the man doesn't know the proper spelling when the higher likelihood is that it was a typo.
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Yes. “They’re” vs “their”, “now” vs “know”. I won’t be adding Trump’s smocking quote as a sig line, it just fit Tibs list of denials in a timely manner.
 
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Witch hunts have consequences!


Stormy Daniels ordered to pay President Trump $293,000 in legal fees

The U.S. District Court today ordered Stormy Daniels (real name Stephanie Clifford) to pay President Trump $293,052.33 to reimburse his attorneys’ fees (75% of his total legal bill), plus an additional $1,000 in sanctions to punish Daniels for having filed a meritless lawsuit

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/stormy-daniels-ordered-to-pay-president-trump-293g-in-legal-fees
 
Troglodyte said:
What’s an M-1 .30 Carbine?
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It is a .30 caliber as well. Many guns have the same caliber but the guns that shoot them are different. .30 caliber guns are some of the most popular hunting rifles in the U.S. 30-06, 308, 30-30, 303 British, .30 Cal carbine ETC... are all the same caliber. Caliber just refers to the radius of the bullet. However some of those rounds have more power behind them. The 30-06 is one of the most powerful but it's the same radius as the others.
 
Tibs said:
Really? They lie to FBI and special counsel investigators (a felony)? They lie during congressional hearings (also a felony)? They lie on live tv when asked direct, pointed questions?
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Yes, yes, and yes. Some people are charged, some are given a pass. The two tiered system is alive and well in Washington.
 
Vader said:
It is a .30 caliber as well. Many guns have the same caliber but the guns that shoot them are different. .30 caliber guns are some of the most popular hunting rifles in the U.S. 30-06, 308, 30-30, 303 British, .30 Cal carbine ETC... are all the same caliber. Caliber just refers to the radius of the bullet. However some of those rounds have more power behind them. The 30-06 is one of the most powerful but it's the same radius as the others.
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You are speaking to Flogolodyte. This will not be registered. These are all the same "gun" to him. Now he's gonna go brag to his friends that he's shot a semi auto 30-30, a 30-06, .308, .30 cal carbine...all in the same outing because they are all the same
 
And they all had fixed rotating bayonets complete with blue laser dot and magnifiers
 
Kudos General Flynn for your patriotism and decision to be on the right side of history.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">According to the memo, Flynn "has produced thousands of documents to the Department of Justice," "facilitated the production of electronic devices," and sat in meetings with officials for "approximately sixty-two hours and forty-five minutes."<a href="https://t.co/oZ8UX17yq7">https://t.co/oZ8UX17yq7</a></p>— The Grey Man (@IntelOperator) <a href="https://twitter.com/IntelOperator/status/1072765804230438913?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 12, 2018</a></blockquote>
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