So if it's true, it will all finally come crashing down. So you should be happy. Justice will finally be served.
Any minute now.
And it Begins:Special Prosecutor To Investigate Trump And Russia
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So if it's true, it will all finally come crashing down. So you should be happy. Justice will finally be served.
Any minute now.
I just can't stop laughing at this from Daou:
"The sitting U.S. president appears to be a Kremlin agent."
"The sitting U.S. president appears to be a Kremlin agent."
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Proof beyond a reasonable doubt? No. Clear and convincing evidence? Hard to refute.
Here are 18 reasons Trump could be a Russian asset
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...9f77a3bcb6c_story.html?utm_term=.db887c7fda79
On Friday, the New York Times reported that “in the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests.” That investigation may well be continuing under the auspices of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. We don’t know what Mueller has learned. But we can look at the key, publicly available evidence that both supports and undercuts this explosive allegation.
Here is some of the evidence suggesting “Individual 1” could be a Russian “asset”:
— Trump has a long financial history with Russia. As summarized by Jonathan Chait in an invaluable New York magazine article: “From 2003 to 2017, people from the former USSR made 86 all-cash purchases — a red flag of potential money laundering — of Trump properties, totaling $109 million. In 2010, the private-wealth division of Deutsche Bank also loaned him hundreds of millions of dollars during the same period it was laundering billions in Russian money. ‘Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,’ said Donald Jr. in 2008. ‘We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia,’ boasted Eric Trump in 2014.” According to Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s guilty plea of lying to Congress, Trump was even pursuing his dream of building a Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign with the help of a Vladimir Putin aide. These are the kind of financial entanglements that intelligence services such as the FSB typically use to ensnare foreigners, and they could leave Trump vulnerable to blackmail.
— The Russians interfered in the 2016 U.S. election to help elect Trump president.
— Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails on July 27, 2016 (“Russia, if you’re listening”), on the very day that Russian intelligence hackers tried to attack Clinton’s personal and campaign servers.
— There were, according to the Moscow Project, “101 contacts between Trump’s team and Russia linked operatives,” and “the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.” The most infamous of these contacts was the June 9, 2016, meeting at Trump Tower between the Trump campaign high command and a Kremlin emissary promising dirt on Clinton. Donald Trump Jr.’s reaction to the offer of Russian assistance? “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”
— The Trump campaign was full of individuals, such as Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates and Michael Flynn, with suspiciously close links to Moscow.
— Manafort, who ran the Trump campaign for free and was heavily in debt to a Russian oligarch, now admits to offering his Russian business partner, who is suspected of links to Russian intelligence, polling data that could have been used to target the Russian social media campaign on behalf of Trump.
— Trump associate Roger Stone, who was in contact with Russian conduit WikiLeaks, reportedly knew in advance that the Russians had hacked Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails. (Stone has denied it .)
— Once in office, Trump fired Comey to stop the investigation of the “Russia thing” — and then bragged about having done so to the Russian ambassador and foreign minister while also sharing with them top-secret information. Later, Trump fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions because he would not end the special counsel investigation that resulted after the firing of Comey. As Lawfare editor Benjamin Wittes argues, “the obstruction was the collusion” — Trump has been effectively protecting the Russians by trying to impede the investigation of their attack on the United States.
— Trump has refused to consistently acknowledge that Russia interfered in the U.S. election or mobilize a government-wide effort to stop future interference. He has accepted Putin’s protestations that the Russians did not meddle in the election over the “high confidence” assessment of the U.S. intelligence community that they did.
— Like no previous president, Trump attacks and undermines the Justice Department and the FBI (“a cancer in our country”) — two institutions that stand on the front lines of combatting Russian espionage and influence operations in the United States.
— Again, like no previous president, Trump attacks and undermines the European Union and NATO — he has suggested that France should leave the E.U. and that the United States should leave NATO, reportedly saying, “NATO is as bad as NAFTA.” The E.U. and NATO are the two major obstacles to Russian designs in Europe.
— Trump supports populist, pro-Russian leaders in Europe, such as Viktor Orban in Hungary and Marine Le Pen in France, just as the Russians do.
— Trump has praised Putin (“a strong leader”) while trashing just about everyone else from grade-B Hollywood celebrities to leaders of allied nations. Trump even praised Putin for expelling U.S. diplomats and, notwithstanding instruction from his aides (“DO NOT CONGRATULATE”), congratulated Putin on winning a rigged reelection.
— Trump was utterly supine in his meetings with Putin, principally in Hamburg and Helsinki. Even more suspicious, according to a Post article on Saturday, Trump “has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with . . . Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials . . . Several officials said they were never able to get a reliable readout of the president’s two-hour meeting in Helsinki.”
— Trump defends the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and repeats other pro-Russian talking points.
— Trump is pulling U.S. troops out of Syria, handing that country to Russia and its ally Iran.
— Trump has effectively done nothing in response to the Russian attack on Ukrainian ships in international waters, thereby encouraging greater Russian aggression.
— Trump is sowing chaos in the government, most recently with a record-breaking partial government shutdown and “acting” appointees in key posts such as the Defense Department and Justice Department, thus furthering a Russian objective of undermining its chief adversary.
Now that we’ve listed 18 reasons Trump could be a Russian asset, let’s look at the exculpatory evidence. . .
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I can’t think of anything that would exonerate Trump aside from the difficulty of grasping what once would have seemed unimaginable: that a president of the United States could actually have been compromised by a hostile foreign power.
In his own defense, Trump claims he has been tougher on Russia “than any other President,” but literally in the next sentence he says, “getting along with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing.” When the United States actually has taken steps to get tough with Russia in the past two years, it has usually been the work of Congress (the 2017 Russia sanctions bill) or Trump aides (expelling 60 Russian diplomats). The Post reports that Trump was “furious” when his administration was portrayed as being tough on Russia, and NBC News reports that he instructed subordinates never to publicly discuss plans to sell weapons to Ukraine.
This is hardly a “beyond a reasonable doubt” case that Trump is a Russian agent — certainly not in the way that Robert Hanssen or Aldrich Ames were. But it is a strong, circumstantial case that Trump is, as former acting CIA director Michael Morell and former CIA director Michael V. Hayden warned during the 2016 campaign, “an unwitting agent of the Russian federation” (Morell) or a “useful fool” who is “manipulated by Moscow” (Hayden). If Trump isn’t actually a Russian agent, he is doing a pretty good imitation of one.
Here are 18 reasons Trump could be a Russian asset
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...9f77a3bcb6c_story.html?utm_term=.db887c7fda79
On Friday, the New York Times reported that “in the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests.” That investigation may well be continuing under the auspices of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. We don’t know what Mueller has learned. But we can look at the key, publicly available evidence that both supports and undercuts this explosive allegation.
Here is some of the evidence suggesting “Individual 1” could be a Russian “asset”:
— Trump has a long financial history with Russia. As summarized by Jonathan Chait in an invaluable New York magazine article: “From 2003 to 2017, people from the former USSR made 86 all-cash purchases — a red flag of potential money laundering — of Trump properties, totaling $109 million. In 2010, the private-wealth division of Deutsche Bank also loaned him hundreds of millions of dollars during the same period it was laundering billions in Russian money. ‘Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,’ said Donald Jr. in 2008. ‘We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia,’ boasted Eric Trump in 2014.” According to Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s guilty plea of lying to Congress, Trump was even pursuing his dream of building a Trump Tower during the 2016 campaign with the help of a Vladimir Putin aide. These are the kind of financial entanglements that intelligence services such as the FSB typically use to ensnare foreigners, and they could leave Trump vulnerable to blackmail.
— The Russians interfered in the 2016 U.S. election to help elect Trump president.
— Trump encouraged the Russians to hack Hillary Clinton’s emails on July 27, 2016 (“Russia, if you’re listening”), on the very day that Russian intelligence hackers tried to attack Clinton’s personal and campaign servers.
— There were, according to the Moscow Project, “101 contacts between Trump’s team and Russia linked operatives,” and “the Trump team tried to cover up every single one of them.” The most infamous of these contacts was the June 9, 2016, meeting at Trump Tower between the Trump campaign high command and a Kremlin emissary promising dirt on Clinton. Donald Trump Jr.’s reaction to the offer of Russian assistance? “If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer.”
— The Trump campaign was full of individuals, such as Carter Page, George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates and Michael Flynn, with suspiciously close links to Moscow.
— Manafort, who ran the Trump campaign for free and was heavily in debt to a Russian oligarch, now admits to offering his Russian business partner, who is suspected of links to Russian intelligence, polling data that could have been used to target the Russian social media campaign on behalf of Trump.
— Trump associate Roger Stone, who was in contact with Russian conduit WikiLeaks, reportedly knew in advance that the Russians had hacked Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta’s emails. (Stone has denied it .)
— Once in office, Trump fired Comey to stop the investigation of the “Russia thing” — and then bragged about having done so to the Russian ambassador and foreign minister while also sharing with them top-secret information. Later, Trump fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions because he would not end the special counsel investigation that resulted after the firing of Comey. As Lawfare editor Benjamin Wittes argues, “the obstruction was the collusion” — Trump has been effectively protecting the Russians by trying to impede the investigation of their attack on the United States.
— Trump has refused to consistently acknowledge that Russia interfered in the U.S. election or mobilize a government-wide effort to stop future interference. He has accepted Putin’s protestations that the Russians did not meddle in the election over the “high confidence” assessment of the U.S. intelligence community that they did.
— Like no previous president, Trump attacks and undermines the Justice Department and the FBI (“a cancer in our country”) — two institutions that stand on the front lines of combatting Russian espionage and influence operations in the United States.
— Again, like no previous president, Trump attacks and undermines the European Union and NATO — he has suggested that France should leave the E.U. and that the United States should leave NATO, reportedly saying, “NATO is as bad as NAFTA.” The E.U. and NATO are the two major obstacles to Russian designs in Europe.
— Trump supports populist, pro-Russian leaders in Europe, such as Viktor Orban in Hungary and Marine Le Pen in France, just as the Russians do.
— Trump has praised Putin (“a strong leader”) while trashing just about everyone else from grade-B Hollywood celebrities to leaders of allied nations. Trump even praised Putin for expelling U.S. diplomats and, notwithstanding instruction from his aides (“DO NOT CONGRATULATE”), congratulated Putin on winning a rigged reelection.
— Trump was utterly supine in his meetings with Putin, principally in Hamburg and Helsinki. Even more suspicious, according to a Post article on Saturday, Trump “has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with . . . Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials . . . Several officials said they were never able to get a reliable readout of the president’s two-hour meeting in Helsinki.”
— Trump defends the Russian invasion of Afghanistan and repeats other pro-Russian talking points.
— Trump is pulling U.S. troops out of Syria, handing that country to Russia and its ally Iran.
— Trump has effectively done nothing in response to the Russian attack on Ukrainian ships in international waters, thereby encouraging greater Russian aggression.
— Trump is sowing chaos in the government, most recently with a record-breaking partial government shutdown and “acting” appointees in key posts such as the Defense Department and Justice Department, thus furthering a Russian objective of undermining its chief adversary.
Now that we’ve listed 18 reasons Trump could be a Russian asset, let’s look at the exculpatory evidence. . .
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I can’t think of anything that would exonerate Trump aside from the difficulty of grasping what once would have seemed unimaginable: that a president of the United States could actually have been compromised by a hostile foreign power.
In his own defense, Trump claims he has been tougher on Russia “than any other President,” but literally in the next sentence he says, “getting along with Russia is a good thing, not a bad thing.” When the United States actually has taken steps to get tough with Russia in the past two years, it has usually been the work of Congress (the 2017 Russia sanctions bill) or Trump aides (expelling 60 Russian diplomats). The Post reports that Trump was “furious” when his administration was portrayed as being tough on Russia, and NBC News reports that he instructed subordinates never to publicly discuss plans to sell weapons to Ukraine.
This is hardly a “beyond a reasonable doubt” case that Trump is a Russian agent — certainly not in the way that Robert Hanssen or Aldrich Ames were. But it is a strong, circumstantial case that Trump is, as former acting CIA director Michael Morell and former CIA director Michael V. Hayden warned during the 2016 campaign, “an unwitting agent of the Russian federation” (Morell) or a “useful fool” who is “manipulated by Moscow” (Hayden). If Trump isn’t actually a Russian agent, he is doing a pretty good imitation of one.
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This should have been a dead giveaway back in July, 2016.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s like a drinking game. Whenever I hear Manafort and oligarchs in the same sentence, I think of my clip of Paul lying thru his stuttering teeth to <a href="https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NorahODonnell</a> in July 2016. He knew exactly what he had done for Russia & Trump by then. <a href="https://t.co/WDlejMbzEx">pic.twitter.com/WDlejMbzEx</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/collusion?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#collusion</a></p>— Paula Chertok�� (@PaulaChertok) <a href="https://twitter.com/PaulaChertok/status/1083095250350948352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s like a drinking game. Whenever I hear Manafort and oligarchs in the same sentence, I think of my clip of Paul lying thru his stuttering teeth to <a href="https://twitter.com/NorahODonnell?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@NorahODonnell</a> in July 2016. He knew exactly what he had done for Russia & Trump by then. <a href="https://t.co/WDlejMbzEx">pic.twitter.com/WDlejMbzEx</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/collusion?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#collusion</a></p>— Paula Chertok�� (@PaulaChertok) <a href="https://twitter.com/PaulaChertok/status/1083095250350948352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 9, 2019</a></blockquote>
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The fact that the world's preeminent law enforcement agency(FBI) didn't find anything, and it looks like the Mueller Investigation is striking out, there seems to be no clear or convincing evidence. Just another transparently biased hit piece by the Washington Compost. This is what I referred to in my last post, and Tibs keeps proving me right.
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If any of you Trumptards have any balls or conviction, you’ll address each one of these and explain how it adds up to nothing more coincidence and smoke.
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You don't know that and have zero tangible evidence to make such a statement.
You don't know that and have zero tangible evidence to make such a statement.
You don't know that and have zero tangible evidence to make such a statement.
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Don't hold your breath. The Trump cult will remain loyal and beholden to their hero and personal savior until the end of time.
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JFC! When you release heavily redacted documents about your investigation, you’re not striking out. When you’re granted more time to gather evidence, you’re not striking out. When you have many indictments and guilty pleas, you’re not striking out. More damning revalations come out and your conclusion is “striking out”. Only a Trumptard.
Firstly, there are people in the Judiciary Committee that have seen the un-redacted documents. Nothing there.
Muellers extension could be needed to finish his report.
The indictments and guilty pleas have nothing to do with Trump. Papadopoulous and Flynn wouldn't have committed any crimes, but for the shaky charges brought by Mueller.=
Spike posted in the other Katfood thread that ABC News reporter saying Mueller report will be ant-climactic.
Only a Libtard.
No, until there is evidence of a crime.
It’s a common symptom of TDS. Kind of like their general butthurt turning malignant.
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As I've stated many times, no I will not be happy. Why would anyone be happy if it turns out a sitting US President was a traitor who sold the nation down the river? I would be extremely upset and disappointed, as should you.
Just wait, just wait, it’s coming.
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Go back to my list of 18 known facts about Trump & Russia and tell me, with a straight face, all of that seems perfectly okay to you.
Actually, it's you who has zero tangible evidence to make such a statement as to clear and convincing evidence of guilt.
You may want to familiarize yourself with Article 11 of Human Rights Act.
http://www.claiminghumanrights.org/udhr_article_11.html#at12
If they were actual facts about Trump & Russia, an indictment would be issued already. Case closed.
18 reasons why Trump could be a Russian asset?
Why would anyone waste their time? If there's actual evidence, then we can talk.
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I have a hard time believing all of these things related to Trump are false. What I also have a hard time believing is the media. They have cried wolf so many times, how can anyone trust anything they say? As I have said before...………
I do not know if he is guilty or innocent. I don't know what he knew or didn't know. I don't know what he did or didn't do. I shall wait for the facts.
But I will add this: When this is over, there will be a reckoning in America, no matter how it turns out. The end of this investigation is going to be only the beginning, either way. I hate it for whoever is lying.
I do not know if he is guilty or innocent. I don't know what he knew or didn't know. I don't know what he did or didn't do. I shall wait for the facts.
But I will add this: When this is over, there will be a reckoning in America, no matter how it turns out. The end of this investigation is going to be only the beginning, either way. I hate it for whoever is lying.
If any were facts he would be in jail.
Just wait, just wait it's coming.
hahahaha
Maybe the Dem nominees for POTUS can use that as there campaign slogan.
if you had any balls or conviction, you'd stop being a freeloader and become a member of the very website message board you've created 6,516 free posts that someone has to pay for.
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they're speculative and involve a stretch of the imagination to connect the dots.
yes, Donald Trump, real estate magnate and developer has tried to construct a Trump Tower in Russia for years. There's no denying that. As such, his relationship with the Russians may not be as evil and scandalous as you and the left so painfully desire. Certainly you, with your rich contacts in Hungary having created businesses may have similar instances with Hungarian contractors and developers or suppliers that others may not have the best opinion of.
As such, when President Trump speaks of Putin, he is likely drawing on his own communications with the Russian president. Is it really a bad thing when the president of a country wants what is best for his own country and it's citizens?
While you want to point out that President Trump was attempting to make deals with Russia prior to his presidency, and underline the money involved, you still want to turn a blind eye to the money sent to the Clinton Foundation from Russia. Why is that? Could it be possible Russia was playing both sides? Or is it that one was done under contract while the other was a "donation"?
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Nothing speculative about them. Each one of the 18 items listed is verifiably true and happened as written, thus the list is credible and factual.
The strangest thing is that Trump and those closest to him have been lying about these issues non-stop from the get go. If there's nothing wrong with what he's done, why lie about it over and over again?
And we both know, there is no good answer to that.
They are not facts
You have a real hard time with the simple definitions of facts. Jeff Bezo's list is FULL of speculation, not facts. Went through them all. When I read "The Russians interfered in the 2016 U.S. election to help elect Trump president." I laughed and said here we go again, the WashPO, infamous Liberal rag, out to get Trump again.
Russian interference in the election was on both sides especially initially. It initially affected both candidates as they attempted to sow doubt and confusion on both sides.
Then the first point - TRUMP DID BUSINESS WITH RUSSIA!! Holy bomb shells batman, a billionaire real estate developer did real estate deals in Russia??? Hang him now!!!!!
But the Post passes on being concerned about real state actors who acted on behalf of the Russians, like Hillary Rodham Clinton, who has a direct family member working at a critical bank in Moscow tied to the Russian government, who's husband took $500K from the Russians, who transferred a massive amount of our Uranium to the Russians in exchange for money funneled to the Clinton Foundation. She also ran a pay to play scheme while Secretary of State, with Russia being one of the countries she courted.
Now you tell me, which of these two scenarios is more nefarious and which one of these two people looks more like a Russian agent? Trump for selling property he developed to Russia or Clinton taking cash for the USA's Uranium for personal profit and running a pay to play scheme, all of which broke government rules?
But we have an investigation into the former, and your KGB media won't demand an investigation into the latter.
Take your list of suppositions (they aren't FACTS) and line your kitty cat's litter box with them because that's what that page of the WashPO is good for Tibor.
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