And it Begins:Special Prosecutor To Investigate Trump And Russia

[deljzc]

This "investigation" came from Peter Strzok, who we all know is a weaselly piece of **** of a human being who had it out for Trump during and after the election and said via tweet if Trump got elected "we'll take care of it".

For Tibs and the New York Times to cling to this so ardently when it's been out there for 18 months is ludicrous. Of course Peter Strzok and his group of FBI insiders looked at ways to stick it to Trump after he fired Comey. Strzok's group, from the moment Trump was elected, was to undermine and search and create evidence against him.

To say this is now the "smoking gun" is crazy and just another in a long line of days Tibs has come on here saying "This News Story from New York Times" is going to be the nail in the coffin of Trump's presidency.

I've said this about every 30-40 pages in this thread:

Trump is going to get tagged for campaign finance bullshit charges and/or tax evasion. Any Mueller indication of "Russian Collusion" will be circumstantial evidence and "grey" in nature, which means half the country will jump and yell "we got him" while half the country will say "what's the ******* bid deal". These issues are NOT the end of our democracy. Jesus Christ, he's talking to a foreign country and there is NO EVIDENCE of some quid pro quo give/take with Russia. Trump has been harder on Russia in his first two years than Obama/Clinton was in eight. Russia's rise to prevalence happened UNDER OBAMA'S WATCH!!! Their involvement in Syria = under Obama. Their invasion of Crimea = under Obama. Helping North Korea = under Obama. Helping Iran... oh, I'm sorry, that was the U.S. helping Iran = under Obama.

This narrative Russia is somehow stronger today than they were on November 7, 2016 is bullshit beyond the biggest bullshit story not one liberal wants to talk about. Explain to me, exactly Mr. Tibs, how Trump's insistance NATO increases their defense spending HELPS Russia and Putin exactly? Explain to me how Trump's destruction of ISIS and the calming of the Syrian crisis HELPS Russia exactly? Explain how $2/gallon gasoline helps Russia exactly? Explain to me how this constant "Russian" cloud over the Presidency and our country and the fact half the analysts who only 8 years ago said Russia was practially insignificant vs. China are now saying "Russia" 10 times more often than they say "China" during every broadcast? You know what? You can't. You can't come up with one ******* answer to how Russia is stronger today than they were on November 7, 2016.

I said this even during Obama's presidency about Crimia (and I'm sure there's a thread post to prove it). That was the EU's problem to deal with and they did ****. Russia is 80% Europe's problem and 20% our problem. What is Europe, who has almost TEN TIMES the GDP than Russia (about $20 trillion vs. $2 trillion) really doing about big, bad Russia? They can't outspend them on cyber warfare? Why do we have to do it?

Honestly, if we have China to worry about, why can't ******* EU step up to the plate and take care of little old Russia with the GDP the size of Italy? Really?

**** Russia. I couldn't give a **** about them. I don't care if they talked to Trump, sponsered Assange, bought $1 million of facebook ads or has a bloody hanger full of internet geeks spewing bullshit on Twitter. Those things are NOT going to tear down the U.S. unless we overreact (like the left love to do about EVERYTHING) and respond by censoring ourselves and we follow the democrats down a path of promises involving "Goverment and Facebook and Twitter must protect us" bullshit. That's doomsday. Not one ******* thing Putin does.

*** drops mic ***

 

[IndySteel]

I want Trump to invite Putin to stay at Mar-a-lago for a week of meetings and golf. Mainly to see the lefties require colostomy bags but also for Trump to explain to his lackey what his role is in irradicating Islamic terrorism. Good times.

 

[hamster]

This "investigation" came from Peter Strzok, who we all know is a weaselly piece of **** of a human being who had it out for Trump during and after the election and said via tweet if Trump got elected "we'll take care of it".

For Tibs and the New York Times to cling to this so ardently when it's been out there for 18 months is ludicrous. Of course Peter Strzok and his group of FBI insiders looked at ways to stick it to Trump after he fired Comey. Strzok's group, from the moment Trump was elected, was to undermine and search and create evidence against him.

To say this is now the "smoking gun" is crazy and just another in a long line of days Tibs has come on here saying "This News Story from New York Times" is going to be the nail in the coffin of Trump's presidency.

I've said this about every 30-40 pages in this thread:

Trump is going to get tagged for campaign finance bullshit charges and/or tax evasion. Any Mueller indication of "Russian Collusion" will be circumstantial evidence and "grey" in nature, which means half the country will jump and yell "we got him" while half the country will say "what's the ******* bid deal". These issues are NOT the end of our democracy. Jesus Christ, he's talking to a foreign country and there is NO EVIDENCE of some quid pro quo give/take with Russia. Trump has been harder on Russia in his first two years than Obama/Clinton was in eight. Russia's rise to prevalence happened UNDER OBAMA'S WATCH!!! Their involvement in Syria = under Obama. Their invasion of Crimea = under Obama. Helping North Korea = under Obama. Helping Iran... oh, I'm sorry, that was the U.S. helping Iran = under Obama.

This narrative Russia is somehow stronger today than they were on November 7, 2016 is bullshit beyond the biggest bullshit story not one liberal wants to talk about. Explain to me, exactly Mr. Tibs, how Trump's insistance NATO increases their defense spending HELPS Russia and Putin exactly? Explain to me how Trump's destruction of ISIS and the calming of the Syrian crisis HELPS Russia exactly? Explain how $2/gallon gasoline helps Russia exactly? Explain to me how this constant "Russian" cloud over the Presidency and our country and the fact half the analysts who only 8 years ago said Russia was practially insignificant vs. China are now saying "Russia" 10 times more often than they say "China" during every broadcast? You know what? You can't. You can't come up with one ******* answer to how Russia is stronger today than they were on November 7, 2016.

I said this even during Obama's presidency about Crimia (and I'm sure there's a thread post to prove it). That was the EU's problem to deal with and they did ****. Russia is 80% Europe's problem and 20% our problem. What is Europe, who has almost TEN TIMES the GDP than Russia (about $20 trillion vs. $2 trillion) really doing about big, bad Russia? They can't outspend them on cyber warfare? Why do we have to do it?

Honestly, if we have China to worry about, why can't ******* EU step up to the plate and take care of little old Russia with the GDP the size of Italy? Really?

**** Russia. I couldn't give a **** about them. I don't care if they talked to Trump, sponsered Assange, bought $1 million of facebook ads or has a bloody hanger full of internet geeks spewing bullshit on Twitter. Those things are NOT going to tear down the U.S. unless we overreact (like the left love to do about EVERYTHING) and respond by censoring ourselves and we follow the democrats down a path of promises involving "Goverment and Facebook and Twitter must protect us" bullshit. That's doomsday. Not one ******* thing Putin does.

*** drops mic ***

 

[Tibs]

del kudos for a passionate, articulate response. Maybe Ted Cruz is right, the Trump base simply does not care if Trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors, conspired with the enemy, obstructed justice, etc. They’re willing to give him a pass, let’s just move on and be done with it.

I’m glad you’re confident enough in your views to do a mic drop at the end of your post. There certainly is no doubt where you stand on this issue, you’ve made yourself perfectly clear.

 

[IndySteel]

del kudos for a passionate, articulate response. Maybe Ted Cruz is right, the Trump base simply does not care if Trump committed high crimes and misdemeanors, conspired with the enemy, obstructed justice, etc. They’re willing to give him a pass, let’s just move on and be done with it.

I’m glad you’re confident enough in your views to do a mic drop at the end of your post. There certainly is no doubt where you stand on this issue, you’ve made yourself perfectly clear.

Douche.

 

[Sarge]

What is Europe, who has almost TEN TIMES the GDP than Russia (about $20 trillion vs. $2 trillion) really doing about big, bad Russia? They can't outspend them on cyber warfare? Why do we have to do it?

Because they are using the money that they aren't spending on their defense to prop up their welfare states full of refugees. Why should we pay for their defense? Say what you want about weakening alliances, but Trump has this one right. They need to pay their minimum, period.

 

[Tibs]

To say this is now the "smoking gun" is crazy and just another in a long line of days Tibs has come on here saying "This News Story from New York Times" is going to be the nail in the coffin of Trump's presidency.

A quick point of contention. This is a really lazy, tired and overused fallacy that I come running to this board proclaiming to have found a smoking gun of any sort. I simply update this thread whenever new information is to be found. The second lazy, tired, overused fallacy, is that I simply take NYT headlines and post them here, trying to sensationally prove a point.

Over the years, I've gone out of my way to post from multiple, varied sources, as I've just done these past few days.

The list of 18 facts about Trump/Russia was written by a conservative, former editor of the Wall Street Journal.

The collection of Trump/Russian anomalities from the FBI's perspective, was written by a non-partisan counterintelligence expert and posted on his private twitter feed. Here is his bio: a senior fellow at the Center for Cyber and Homeland Security at George Washington University and a Foreign Policy Research Institute fellow. He previously was an infantry officer in the United States Army, and was the executive officer of the Combating Terrorism Center at United States Military Academy at West Point (CTC). He became a special agent for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, where he served on the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF). He has consulted for the FBI Counterterrorism Division (CTD) and FBI National Security Branch (NSB).

I also posted a FoxNews video where, gasp, Judge Napolitano of all people is discussing these exact same issues in a credible and legitimate manner.

My point being, it's a tired, lazy, overused misnomer that this Trump-Russia conspiracy is being generated by the lefties and the MSM.

I understand it's easy to try to discredit my posts here on the board. Oh, look, it's just Tibs running his mouth again, nothing to see here. It's easy to scapegoat and marginalize.

But that does not explain why this has remained a legitimate topic, even after all this time. One of great concern on multiple layers for hundreds of journalists, national security and counterintelligence experts. And clearly the federal agencies who are handling the ongoing investigation on multiple levels.

You can't wave a magic wand and wish it away.

There is no credible argument to be made that all this is simply the NYT/MSM throwing out fake news to try to discredit Trump, to see if something sticks. Doing so is simply regurgitating lazy, tired, overused fallacies so prevalent on this board, specifically in this thread.

But I get it. You simply don't want to discuss this topic in earnest. You want it to disappear and go away. Duly noted.

 

[Sarge]

In fairness, I don't think you want to discuss the topic in earnest either. Both sides are pretty much settled on what they believe, so I fail to see the merit in it other than trying to be right.

Fact of the matter is, neither side is really arguing from a point of fact, just their own bias confirmation.

It's why I don't engage in the debate too much anymore. What's the point? Until Mueller releases his report with verifiable evidence, it is all speculation. And even then, half of America won't believe it depending on what he reports.

 

[Tibs]

In fairness, I don't think you want to discuss the topic in earnest either. Both sides are pretty much settled on what they believe, so I fail to see the merit in it other than trying to be right. Fact of the matter is, neither side is really arguing from a point of fact, just their own bias confirmation. It's why I don't engage in the debate too much anymore. What's the point? Until Mueller releases his report with verifiable evidence, it is all speculation.

Fair enough, though most of this thread is clogged up by MAGA cultists claiming this entire investigation is a hoax, fake news and dismiss it out of hand. Which is clearly false. Kind of hard to discuss anything 'in earnest' with folks like that.

Maybe you're right, we should all just reconvene here once Mueller releases his report. Though, parallel to that happening, the House will begin their Congressional hearings into Trump/Russia, including Michael Cohen's public hearing, which I'm sure Trump is enthusiastically looking forward to.

Point is, MSM or no MSM, this situation is not going away anytime soon.

 

[Confluence]

After the Mueller report drops with no real issues, Tibs, his leftwing email services, the destructive mainstream media, the daily outrage porn on social media, etc. will direct their efforts to proving the existence of Santa Claus, using all the same logic and strategies as they continue their drive to be relevant to modern society.



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[Sarge]

Fair enough, though most of this thread is clogged up by MAGA cultists claiming this entire investigation is a hoax, fake news and dismiss it out of hand. Which is clearly false. Kind of hard to discuss anything 'in earnest' with folks like that.

Maybe you're right, we should all just reconvene here once Mueller releases his report. Though, parallel to that happening, the House will begin their Congressional hearings into Trump/Russia, including Michael Cohen's public hearing, which I'm sure Trump is enthusiastically looking forward to.

Point is, MSM or no MSM, this situation is not going away anytime soon.

I'm certain there won't be any political bias in any of those investigations. No way. They have the outcome figured out. Just gotta find the evidence to fit it. Our government is more and more like a circular firing squad every damn day.


And calling Trump supporters cultists is kinda dumb considering you're no different. You're just a member of a different cult.

 

[Tibs]

I'm certain there won't be any political bias in any of those investigations. No way. They have the outcome figured out. Just gotta find the evidence to fit it. Our government is more and more like a circular firing squad every damn day. And calling Trump supporters cultists is kinda dumb considering you're no different. You're just a member of a different cult.

As far as the Congressional hearings, there's either evidence of wrongdoing or there isn't. Just like Mueller's investigation. Facts matter.

It's posts like this that I realize you're really only halfway there, as far as staying above the fray and being an independant voice around here. You like to toe the line just enough to stay on the 'right side' of the inner circle. It's no skin off my back, just have to remind myself you're actually closer to the Trump base than you care to admit. Kind of like OFTB. But at least you guys have reasonable opinions from time to time, which is appreciated.

 

[Tibs]

Exactly...


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In law enforcement, we call these clues... <a href="https://t.co/Mas1dfeO1z">pic.twitter.com/Mas1dfeO1z</a></p>— Josh Campbell (@joshscampbell) <a href="https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1085144287346515969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[hamster]

As far as the Congressional hearings, there's either evidence of wrongdoing or there isn't. Just like Mueller's investigation. Facts matter.

It's posts like this that I realize you're really only halfway there, as far as staying above the fray and being an independant voice around here. You like to toe the line just enough to stay on the 'right side' of the inner circle. It's no skin off my back, just have to remind myself you're actually closer to the Trump base than you care to admit. Kind of like OFTB. But at least you guys have reasonable opinions from time to time, which is appreciated.

And maybe Sarge is just reacting to the facts. But don't worry, the upcoming congressional hearings will continue to create brand new hysterias that will fuel the MSM's ratings, which will keep giving you hope that there will be crime revealed behind the next tree. Rinse and repeat.

But seriously, what makes you think that congressional hearings are going to find something the Mueller and FBI investigations didn't? And after the Mueller investigation falls short, what makes you think the country will have an appetite for more of the same?

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[IndySteel]

A quick point of contention. This is a really lazy, tired and overused fallacy that I come running to this board proclaiming to have found a smoking gun of any sort. I simply update this thread whenever new information is to be found. The second lazy, tired, overused fallacy, is that I simply take NYT headlines and post them here, trying to sensationally prove a point.

Over the years, I've gone out of my way to post from multiple, varied sources, as I've just done these past few days.

The list of 18 facts about Trump/Russia was written by a conservative, former editor of the Wall Street Journal.

The collection of Trump/Russian anomalities from the FBI's perspective, was written by a non-partisan counterintelligence expert and posted on his private twitter feed. Here is his bio: a senior fellow at the Center for Cyber and Homeland Security at George Washington University and a Foreign Policy Research Institute fellow. He previously was an infantry officer in the United States Army, and was the executive officer of the Combating Terrorism Center at United States Military Academy at West Point (CTC). He became a special agent for the Federal Bureau of Investigation, where he served on the Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF). He has consulted for the FBI Counterterrorism Division (CTD) and FBI National Security Branch (NSB).

I also posted a FoxNews video where, gasp, Judge Napolitano of all people is discussing these exact same issues in a credible and legitimate manner.

My point being, it's a tired, lazy, overused misnomer that this Trump-Russia conspiracy is being generated by the lefties and the MSM.

I understand it's easy to try to discredit my posts here on the board. Oh, look, it's just Tibs running his mouth again, nothing to see here. It's easy to scapegoat and marginalize.

But that does not explain why this has remained a legitimate topic, even after all this time. One of great concern on multiple layers for hundreds of journalists, national security and counterintelligence experts. And clearly the federal agencies who are handling the ongoing investigation on multiple levels.

You can't wave a magic wand and wish it away.

There is no credible argument to be made that all this is simply the NYT/MSM throwing out fake news to try to discredit Trump, to see if something sticks. Doing so is simply regurgitating lazy, tired, overused fallacies so prevalent on this board, specifically in this thread.

But I get it. You simply don't want to discuss this topic in earnest. You want it to disappear and go away. Duly noted.

What a douche.

 

[Tibs]

IndySteel, wasting precious bandwith post after post, month after month, year after year.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Exactly...


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In law enforcement, we call these clues... <a href="https://t.co/Mas1dfeO1z">pic.twitter.com/Mas1dfeO1z</a></p>— Josh Campbell (@joshscampbell) <a href="https://twitter.com/joshscampbell/status/1085144287346515969?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Random comment from Comey butt boy, now at CNN.

 

[IndySteel]

IndySteel, wasting precious bandwith post after post, month after month, year after year.

Douche.

DOUCHE

DOUCHE



D O U C H E !

 

[Superman]

commentary from Seth Meyers is now considered legitimate?
oh, what a strange, strange world you must live in, Tibs. Do the butterflies have teeth? Are your shadows watching you?

Tibsung74 is getting closer and closer to becoming reality.

 

[deljzc]

Notice how Tibs failed to address the main issue?

If Trump is "colluding" with Russia on a quid pro quo basis, what has Russia gotten out of it? Where is the smoking gun of Russian gains? Russia isn't stronger now than it was on November 7, 2016. Period. I've listed all the world wide things that have changed and not ONE makes Russia stronger in the international hierarchy of things. Not one.

High crimes and misdemeanors? Really? Campaign finance bullshit? Laundering money unintentionally back when he was a real estate mogul? Firing Jim Comey (when every ******* liberal wanted him fired 6 months earlier)? Jesus Christ, Tibs.... this is so far away from high crimes and misdemeanors you've lost your senses. The only reason you think that is because you're being TOLD to think it. And you say us Trump supporters are getting fed bullshit and don't think for ourselves. Do you really, honestly believe paying a porn star hush money is a serious campaign finance issue that shouldn't be allowed? Really? Answer that question truthfully and not regurgitate what the media is telling you. Hush money during an election about an extra-marital affair (which really isn't relevant to anything anyway - what happens in the bedroom should stay in the bedroom, right Clinton?).

What clearly HAS been proven is Comey loves to hear himself talk. Comey LOVES the spotlight. Let's write a book and get rich. Let's leak info to the Times (illegal). The guy has been nothing but self-serving the minute he got fired. Hell, the left is probably going to prop him up as a great "special prosecutor" to tear down the next Republican President.

Just STOP already. This sky is falling bullshit is so trite and old. His term is now over halfway over and you haven't stopped bullshitting about this "investigation" once. EVEN if we GET to impeachment, it's not going to happen before the next election.

Just STOP and wait for 2020 and all you liberals will get your chance to end this once and for all. Until then, shut the **** up and let him govern.

 

[Tibs]

Notice how Tibs failed to address the main issue? If Trump is "colluding" with Russia on a quid pro quo basis, what has Russia gotten out of it?

The fact this is a question to you shows how out of touch you are concerning the facts of Russia's geopolitical ambitions. Trump sided with Putin in Helsinki over his own, American intelligence services regarding election hacking and interference. That immediately empowered Putin, who knew at that exact moment he can toy with Trump and America however he sees fit. Trump's attacks on NATO and the EU strengthen Russia's position in Europe. Putin is getting away with murder in Crimea and Ukraine, with zero response from Trump. Our State Dept is in shambles, further widening the playing field for Putin to exert influence over the former Soviet block in C. Europe. Trump is literally handing Putin control over Syria, significantly strenghtening Russia, Iran and Syria in one cowardly move. Just see what's being played out on Russian tv. They are in disbelief it's been this easy to play Trump like a fiddle. They are openly mocking Americans for letting Putin get away with whatever he pleases.

Again, the fact none of this is evident to you just proves what a huge gap of information/knowledge you have. But you like to type-up your angry posts so fervently, with so much self-assurance. I'd advise you get to reading, from as many sources as you can. That may limit your tin-foil conspiracies that the deep-state is out to get Trump and that Russia has not been popping champagne bottles after each and every move Trump's made since taking office.

 

[Superman]

The fact this is a question to you shows how out of touch you are concerning the facts of Russia's geopolitical ambitions. Trump sided with Putin in Helsinki over his own, American intelligence services regarding election hacking and interference. That immediately empowered Putin, who knew at that exact moment he can toy with Trump and America however he sees fit. Trump's attacks on NATO and the EU strengthen Russia's position in Europe. Putin is getting away with murder in Crimea and Ukraine, with zero response from Trump. Our State Dept is in shambles, further widening the playing field for Putin to exert influence over the former Soviet block in C. Europe. Trump is literally handing Putin control over Syria, significantly strenghtening Russia, Iran and Syria in one cowardly move. Just see what's being played out on Russian tv. They are in disbelief it's been this easy to play Trump like a fiddle. They are openly mocking Americans for letting Putin get away with whatever he pleases.

Again, the fact none of this is evident to you just proves what a huge gap of information/knowledge you have. But you like to type-up your angry posts so fervently, with so much self-assurance. I'd advise you get to reading, from as many sources as you can. That may limit your tin-foil conspiracies that the deep-state is out to get Trump and that Russia has not been popping champagne bottles after each and every move Trump's made since taking office.

you're right. President Trump should draw lines in the sand like Bomma did.

 

[IndySteel]

The fact this is a question to you shows how out of touch you are concerning the facts of Russia's geopolitical ambitions. Trump sided with Putin in Helsinki over his own, American intelligence services regarding election hacking and interference. That immediately empowered Putin, who knew at that exact moment he can toy with Trump and America however he sees fit. Trump's attacks on NATO and the EU strengthen Russia's position in Europe. Putin is getting away with murder in Crimea and Ukraine, with zero response from Trump. Our State Dept is in shambles, further widening the playing field for Putin to exert influence over the former Soviet block in C. Europe. Trump is literally handing Putin control over Syria, significantly strenghtening Russia, Iran and Syria in one cowardly move. Just see what's being played out on Russian tv. They are in disbelief it's been this easy to play Trump like a fiddle. They are openly mocking Americans for letting Putin get away with whatever he pleases.

Again, the fact none of this is evident to you just proves what a huge gap of information/knowledge you have. But you like to type-up your angry posts so fervently, with so much self-assurance. I'd advise you get to reading, from as many sources as you can. That may limit your tin-foil conspiracies that the deep-state is out to get Trump and that Russia has not been popping champagne bottles after each and every move Trump's made since taking office.

 

[Superman]

TIBSUNG74, read this slowly...

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/deep-state-trump-crimes-russia/

Deep State: It's now beyond any reasonable doubt that Obama administration minions launched an all-out effort to destroy, first, President Trump's presidential campaign and, when that failed, his presidency. The only question is, knowing the truth, will the Justice Department charge these people with crimes?

The whole concern over "Russian interference" with the 2016 election was little more than a smokescreen for a much wider effort to go after Donald Trump. And that's not us talking, but the New York Times.

A Times report titled "F.B.I. Opened Inquiry into Whether Trump was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia" shows that the investigation into Donald Trump for the non-crime of "collusion" with Russia's government began before the election. The inquiry aimed at stopping Trump — and not, really, at determining whether Russians interfered in our presidential election.

The actual investigation by the Justice Department and FBI began during the election campaign. Using half-baked and "unverifiable" intelligence about Trump's purported links to Russia, officials used the so-called Steele Dossier four separate times for FISA court approval to spy on the Trump campaign.

The Bogus Steele Dossier

The only problem is, the Steele Dossier didn't come from the FBI or Justice Department. It came from Fusion GPS, an opposition research group linked to the Democrats. And Hillary Clinton's campaign paid for it.

"Ostensibly, the surveillance application targeted Carter Page," wrote Andrew McCarthy, a senior fellow at the National Review Institute and himself a former federal prosecutor. "But Page was just a side issue. The dossier was principally about Trump – not Page, not Paul Manafort, Michael Cohen, or other Trump associates referred to by Steele. The dossier's main allegation was that Trump was in an espionage conspiracy with Russia to swing the election to Trump, after which Trump would do Putin's bidding from the White House."

So for all intents and purposes, the Deep State holdovers from the Obama administration were serving as an adjunct to Hillary Clinton's campaign. Early on in the investigation, CIA chief John Brennan convened multi-agency meetings about Trump. They included Peter Strzok, the head of the FBI's counter-intelligence, and James Clapper, national intelligence director under Obama, among others.

The premise of the meetings, again, was that Trump possibly colluded with the Russians to hack our election and might even be an agent of Russia.

Where's The Evidence?

Yet, as the Times itself admitted, virtually "no evidence" existed for such a charge.

Such actions are illegal, an attempt by supposedly nonpartisan government employees to subvert the 2016 presidential election. Bureaucrats attempting to veto the legitimate will of the people.

Ironically, these extra-legal machinations posed a far greater direct threat to our democracy than anything Trump allegedly did. And yet the perpetrators still walk free. They make hundreds of thousands of dollars on the lecture circuit and as talking heads on TV.

As the Times points out, even as he deepened his investigation into Trump on behalf of the Democratic Party, former FBI Director James Comey lied repeatedly to Trump about whether he was under investigation. He also leaked the contents of a private meeting with Trump in the White House to the media.

The idea: Create doubts about Trump and sow the seeds of broader action by the Deep State against his presidency. For anyone still harboring any doubts: This was no vindictive political act. Trump had no real choice but to fire Comey.
Firing Comey

But as we know now, firing Comey didn't end Trump's problems. It multiplied them.

Within days of Comey's firing in early May 2017, acting FBI Director Rod Rosenstein named Robert Mueller as special counsel to investigate the charges that Trump was, in essence, a Russian agent. Still worse, they did it not because they had actual evidence — the Clinton-financed Steele Dossier, remember, has never been verified — but because they didn't like Trump's foreign policy views, in particular on Russia and Vladimir Putin.

Some of those taking part in this conspiracy actually discussed invoking the 25th Amendment. It allows for removal of a president who is "unable to discharge the powers and duties of the office."

They had no basis for this, of course. But it was a weapon they could use. It begins to look like a silent coup, not an investigation.

We find ourselves in complete agreement with The Federalist's Senior Editor Mollie Hemingway. She wrote: "Using the completely lawful and constitutional firing of the bumbling Comey as pretext for opening a criminal investigation into the president is a grand abuse of power by the FBI. Attempting to overtake the authority to determine U.S. foreign policy from the lawfully determined president of the United States is a violation of the U.S. Constitution."

Crimes Of The Deep State

Yes, these are crimes. And not minor ones. The real collusion, it turns out, was by the FBI, the Justice Department, the CIA and the Hillary Clinton campaign. Not Trump and the Russians.

For many reasons, they all wanted Trump to lose the election. When he didn't oblige, they tried to remove him from office. It's still going on. The Democratic Party openly seeks to impeach Trump. Meanwhile, the Mueller investigation trundles on, with nothing so far to show for its efforts.

This was, as others have said before without exaggeration, a kind of silent coup. Top officials at the Justice Department, FBI and CIA, in cahoots with the Clinton campaign, used the extraordinary powers of the U.S. justice and intelligence agencies for purely political ends: to end the Trump presidency.

By the way, our own IBD/TIPP Poll this month shows Americans mostly believe that to be true. In the poll, 51% agreed the Mueller investigation is an attempt to delegitimize the 2016 election. And they're right about that.

With the House now in the hands of far-left Democrats, we can expect no calls for investigations of this egregious behavior. Justice should investigate these crimes and those who committed them. And start prosecuting.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

The most comical part of the posts this day is Tibsung47 calling us a cult while he persistently posts from the likes of Peter Daou (incest-driven political hack who can't keep a political job) and PMSNBC while lauding Michael Avenatti an American Patriot.

This nickname is WELL deserved....