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Archers 40 doesn't translate

So you are saying that players are capable of running much faster than in Pre Season games than they are capable of running in Regular Season games. Do they allow rocket shoes in the Pre Season or something that I missed?

I read it a couple times to be sure that was what I read. It was pretty comical. The kid was definitely a reach for a gadget player when we are in no position to use picks on part time maybe players. That said, there is nobody who can realistically call him a bust already. It's ridiculous.
 
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So tell me what in 37 defensive snaps and 44 special teams snaps what have you seen to declare Tuitt the heir apparent to Smith or Keisel? That ONE assisted tackle must have been impressive.

Oh, so I should compare Tuitt to an OLB not a former 3-4 DE... Yeah... Mmmmm Hmmmm. OK! I am trying to compare apples to apples in which by your measurement in his young career Tuitt is a bust and hopeless. Oh, no he gets an exception to your rule because you liked the draft pick while Archer who was drafted 51 spots behind Tuitt is held to a higher level of expectations... Sounds fair.


Yeah, back in 2010 that bum Antonio Brown went his first two games without any targets or yards. Hell, wasn't even active the first game so after four games he finally gets a bubble screen thrown by Charlie Batch and it only goes for 6 yards. We better cut his *** right away!


I never compared him to Dickerson or Allen but HOPE he can become Darren Sproles.

Got a lot of ground to cover, so hopefully you can keep up. The primary job for a 3-4 DL is to eat up blockers to free the LBers. We saw what Cam Thomas looks like playing end and NT, and it wasn't pretty. Tuitt holds his own and doesn't get pushed back as easily. You keep spouting off about his one tackle, and completely miss my point. You also must have missed the Jags game. He should have split the sack with Worilds, and had several plays where he pushed the RT back and forced the RB back to the middle where the our LBers were able to make the stop for no gain.

Antionio Brown was a 6th round pick, he wasn't supposed to even dress on gamedays. We drafted Emanuel Sanders in the 3rd, and he obviously didn't work out... how does any of this have to do with Archer. Neither Sanders or Brown were hyped as much as Archer was over a 40 yard dash time in shorts. You can hope all you want, I hope he proves me wrong and scores SEVERAL TD's this year... but so far, the hype, and the primary role that was intended for him, Kick Returner, he's shown jack squat when given the opportunity.


I also love how Martavis Bryant who "should have been" the pick at 97 hasn't even suited up a freaking game yet, but gets a pass on his rookie year. At least Archer is on kick return duty and dressing for the team. What is his excuse?

Bryant Injured his shoulder and is just NOW getting healthy. He will need at least another week of practice with Ben before he's game ready. And even then he's gotta compete with J. Brown and L. Moore for a helmet. No one is giving him a pass.

Im just sayin....4.2 speed is no joke and at some point you will see it make an impact..... 5 games in and hes played in 2-3 of em. Give the kid a chance to prove his worth and try not to prematurely write him off as a waste.

He outran everyone on the field in NJ and the only thing that kept him from scoring was he ran out of real estate (sideline) but the footage shows just how fast he is when he hits that extra gear---nobody closed (on him). We havent seen that extra gear yet because hes not gotten the ball in positions that allow him to exercise his gift. But it will come im certain and when he gets a step count it 6 cause "aint nobody catchin him".

He didn't outrun everyone, or he would have scored. The fact that he "ran out of real estate shows he's not as fast as people think when the pads go on. And he hasn't shown anything close to that in the real games. Things change when teams start game planning for a certain team, something they don't do in pre-season. Even in those preseason games, I didn't see that extra gear that Wallace had, or that Brown has.

So you are saying that players are capable of running much faster than in Pre Season games than they are capable of running in Regular Season games. Do they allow rocket shoes in the Pre Season or something that I missed?

No, thanks for trying, I'm saying a vanilla defense playing soft coverage, not game planning for the Steelers plays a huge role in a lot of the big plays you see in preseason then fail to see in the regular season. How many kick returns did we see Stefan Logan have in pre season? How many did he have come regular season? Same thing with Chris Rainey... there was excitement there, then the regular season came, starters were in on D, gameplanning for our offense and he was pretty much an after thought.

Who? Can't even get a uniform. Yet he is an Steeler Nation draft pet, so he is beyond criticism no matter if he never dresses. But that Archer, let's blast him because I didn't like the pick and it makes me sound REALLY intelligent amongst my draftnik friends.

Again injured, but I'm pretty sure that there was a thread just started about him. Also there wasn't a 100+ thread about him that gave him all the hype that Archer had.

Five games into a rookie seasons is about the right amount of playing time to determine if a player is a bust. Is it not?

It's plenty of game film to say he hasn't shown his blazing speed that he was supposed to be known for. You catch the ball five yards deep, with 4.2 speed you should be able to hit the 20 before anyone is near you. But he looks slow out there. We are just wondering why, and where this speed went to. That's why the thread was his 40 time doesn't translate.
 
I'm not quoting all of that, but I assure you that if you run a 4.2 40 in the Pre Season you run a 4.2 40 in the regular season. Regardless of what the defense is doing. .
 
One problem is Archer is only in on plays where they go to him. There's no surprise involved. If he's in there, the ball's going to him and everyone is ready for it. That's the problem with him not being an every down player and he's just not an every down player, so the defense can key on him.
 
I'm not quoting all of that, but I assure you that if you run a 4.2 40 in the Pre Season you run a 4.2 40 in the regular season. Regardless of what the defense is doing. .

Dwight "Hands Of" Stone was short and fast too. I'm old, I remember this stuff.
 
I'm not quoting all of that, but I assure you that if you run a 4.2 40 in the Pre Season you run a 4.2 40 in the regular season. Regardless of what the defense is doing. .

I assure you, if you run a 4.2 in shorts, you don't run a 4.2 in pads. He was caught from behind on each one of his big plays in the preseason (against vanilla D)

One problem is Archer is only in on plays where they go to him. There's no surprise involved. If he's in there, the ball's going to him and everyone is ready for it. That's the problem with him not being an every down player and he's just not an every down player, so the defense can key on him.

Not true at all, the play goes his way 26% of the time when he's in the game. He's had 23 offensive snaps, 2 rushes, 3 receptions on 4 targets. They tried to use him as a decoy two times against Jax, it didn't work. Including that 3rd and short where we handed off to Will Johnson, Archer was the deep back.
 
I assure you, if you run a 4.2 in shorts, you don't run a 4.2 in pads. He was caught from behind on each one of his big plays in the preseason (against vanilla D)



Not true at all, the play goes his way 26% of the time when he's in the game. He's had 23 offensive snaps, 2 rushes, 3 receptions on 4 targets. They tried to use him as a decoy two times against Jax, it didn't work. Including that 3rd and short where we handed off to Will Johnson, Archer was the deep back.

There was a play against Tampa where they had Archer underneath against the right sideline, and Wheaton going deep, Ben pump faked to Archer, and the corner just about **** himself trying to get to him, and then Ben went over the top to Wheaton. Why don't you remember the play, well, the pass to Wheaton was about 2 yards too far, so he didn't get it, but looking at the coaches film, Wheaton only had one guy over the top, since the cb bit hard on the pump fake. If he gets tackled by him, it's a 20-25 yard gain, if not, he scores. Now that play was execution, and it's either on Ben (which would be my bet) or Wheaton. Those are the types of plays this offense should be pulling off with ease, hopefully as the year goes on we will see more of these.

A screenshot is below of the pump fake to archer, and then the position Wheaton is in on the pass after the fake.

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And here you can see the ball just beyond Wheatons hands. If Ben hits him in stride, that's a great play.

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And we ran that exact play last year without Archer (we used Sanders and Cotchery, pump to Sanders hit Cotchery over the top). I can think of two times we ran it to Cotchery on back to back plays. It wasn't Archer that scared the CB, it was Ben and his pump fake. The CB is going to react no matter who is up there, it could have been Will Johnson and the CB is going to jump at that because of the fake.
 
And we ran that exact play last year without Archer (we used Sanders and Cotchery, pump to Sanders hit Cotchery over the top). I can think of two times we ran it to Cotchery on back to back plays. It wasn't Archer that scared the CB, it was Ben and his pump fake. The CB is going to react no matter who is up there, it could have been Will Johnson and the CB is going to jump at that because of the fake.

His job on that play was to be the decoy. He did his job. He's a decoy that just happens to have 4.2 speed. Cotchery, Sanders, nor Will Johnson has that. Does it mean anything if he doesn't make the first guy miss? Nope. But if he does, and he only needs to do it a few times, these types of plays become even more valuable, because at that point not only is the cb biting on that pump, but the safety you see that stayed at home this time, of they DO dump it to the short guy and he makes something happen, well, next time maybe he's peeking in the backfield and jumping on that same pump.

The Steelers are in this for the long game, and as the season unfolds, and this offense gets more time together on the field, things are going to get better and better. If this team can find it's stride going down the stretch to the end of the season, and get into the playoffs, we could make some noise.

We shall see.

Joe
 
His speed has nothing to do with that play tho. I don't know it's even being discussed in this instance. If his job is to be a decoy, he isn't using his speed, and he can't make the first guy miss because he's never getting the ball there. The point was, we have run that play since Haley came here. And it's successful because we run quite a few bubble screens, not because it was Archer that the fake was to.

This offense will be successful based on Ben, Brown, Bell, and Miller. Archer isn't even in the discussion. 23 offensive snaps in four games, and any touch he gets takes away from the real playmakers on the team.
 
His speed has nothing to do with that play tho. I don't know it's even being discussed in this instance. If his job is to be a decoy, he isn't using his speed, and he can't make the first guy miss because he's never getting the ball there. The point was, we have run that play since Haley came here. And it's successful because we run quite a few bubble screens, not because it was Archer that the fake was to.

This offense will be successful based on Ben, Brown, Bell, and Miller. Archer isn't even in the discussion. 23 offensive snaps in four games, and any touch he gets takes away from the real playmakers on the team.

His speed is what would potentially draw the safety to be looking. Will he ever get to the point where he makes the first guy miss if he gets the ball, I don't know just yet, the sample size is too small. If he does, it's going to be interesting.

I swear, sometimes having a discussion here is ******* painful. This offense will be successful based on every ******* player on the field doing his job every ******* time the offense takes the field. If Brown catches that ******* flea flicker, we most likely win that Tampa Bay game. If that ball is thrown better, that pass is a 20 yard completion that I posted. If beachum doesn't get manhandled, we don't have the sack we had. Funny how things go wrong when every player isn't doing his job. I've been watching this game long enough to remember when we had a VERY talented wr named Louis Lipps, but we had no number 2 or 3 to draw anything away from him, and even though our running game was pretty solid, we couldn't fully use him because he was covered so well because NONE of our other wr's scared anyone. We're in a lot better place now.

Joe
 
But the point is, why do we need Archer for that play to work? We don't. We've had that play in the books for years now. It has NOTHING to do with Archer or his "speed". You're right, discussions on here are painful, because no matter how many times you type something out, and how clear it is put out there, people still can't grasp the simplest things.
 
He didn't outrun everyone, or he would have scored. The fact that he "ran out of real estate shows he's not as fast as people think when the pads go on. And he hasn't shown anything close to that in the real games. Things change when teams start game planning for a certain team, something they don't do in pre-season. Even in those preseason games, I didn't see that extra gear that Wallace had, or that Brown has.


What ?!!! Dude....the defense had safeties deep..deeper than when Dri established possession and began his run downfield. Look at the Giants video again and tell me who on the play closed on Dri. If you say the safety, ill call you crazy because its the sideline that hemmed him in...that and the safety had the angle on the play--nobody "caught him". If he had more field he wouldve scored easily
 
Got a lot of ground to cover, so hopefully you can keep up. The primary job for a 3-4 DL is to eat up blockers to free the LBers. We saw what Cam Thomas looks like playing end and NT, and it wasn't pretty. Tuitt holds his own and doesn't get pushed back as easily. You keep spouting off about his one tackle, and completely miss my point. You also must have missed the Jags game. He should have split the sack with Worilds, and had several plays where he pushed the RT back and forced the RB back to the middle where the our LBers were able to make the stop for no gain.
If you can't read this and see the hypocricy in your train of thought you are beyond hope. You liked the Tuitt pick so you are making excuses about production and seeing what you want to see. You hated the Archer pick so you are BLASTING his production and using his 5 touches as a "I told you so" rant. NEITHER ONE HAS DONE ****! If you can't see that you are either blind or retarded.
Antionio Brown was a 6th round pick, he wasn't supposed to even dress on gamedays. We drafted Emanuel Sanders in the 3rd, and he obviously didn't work out... how does any of this have to do with Archer. Neither Sanders or Brown were hyped as much as Archer was over a 40 yard dash time in shorts. You can hope all you want, I hope he proves me wrong and scores SEVERAL TD's this year... but so far, the hype, and the primary role that was intended for him, Kick Returner, he's shown jack squat when given the opportunity.
We drafted Archer 97th overall and people were excited about getting the fastest guy in the draft. Whooptie ******* boo-hoo! Sorry we all can't be pessimistic Debbie Downer or Negative Nancy like you. I have said it a thousand times and I will say it again, a third round pick has less than a 12% chance at starting. Not being an every day starter just starting a ******* football game. All the guys we "should have" picked instead aren't blowing the league up either so the fact Archer dresses and gets into the game is actually a positive thing but no he hasn't busted out a 50 yard TD so he sucks.

Bottom line you don't like Archer or the pick so his five touches, to you, make him a bust because one hasn't gone for a 50 yard touchdown. But you liked the Tuitt pick so his one assisted tackle makes him the next Aaron ******* Smith. HYPOCRITE!
 
Dwight "Hands Of" Stone was short and fast too. I'm old, I remember this stuff.

Stone was 6ft/194 and ran a 4.25. He played 7 yrs ,had 145 catches,and averaged 16.4 ypc. He also rushed 94 times for a 5.9 avg.and returned 98 Ko's for a 19.4 avg. He had his share of drops but he was more of a RB playing WR. Incidently the #3 draft choice his rookie year was a WR named Lockett who never made it.
 
Stone was 6ft/194 and ran a 4.25. He played 7 yrs ,had 145 catches,and averaged 16.4 ypc. He also rushed 94 times for a 5.9 avg.and returned 98 Ko's for a 19.4 avg. He had his share of drops but he was more of a RB playing WR. Incidently the #3 draft choice his rookie year was a WR named Lockett who never made it.

He had his share of drops, along with your share, my share, and about 11 other wr's shares of drops. That guy dropped 3 passes for every one he caught.

Joe
 
Incidently the #3 draft choice his rookie year was a WR named Lockett who never made it.
I can still remember Liffort Hobley. Makes Coach Cool Shades' draft busts look like HOF'ers.

He had his share of drops, along with your share, my share, and about 11 other wr's shares of drops. That guy dropped 3 passes for every one he caught.

Joe
Probably the only WR with worse hands than Ike Taylor.

Us old guys rock. Some day I'll bring my dad in to talk about Elbie Nickel and mom about Red Moore, who was from her neighborhood. Derek Moye is only the second guy from Rochester to play for the Steelers. ;)
(People be Googling those names now. Heh.)
 
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I assure you, if you run a 4.2 in shorts, you don't run a 4.2 in pads. He was caught from behind on each one of his big plays in the preseason (against vanilla D)

If you run very fast in Pre Season games in full pads, you run very fast in Regular Season games in full pads. Does this analogy work better? If he can't run as fast in the Regular season as you say, then perhaps he is conserving energy for next year's Pre Season where he can REALLY show his stuff again.
 
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You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Supersteeler again.
 
If you can't read this and see the hypocricy in your train of thought you are beyond hope. You liked the Tuitt pick so you are making excuses about production and seeing what you want to see. You hated the Archer pick so you are BLASTING his production and using his 5 touches as a "I told you so" rant. NEITHER ONE HAS DONE ****! If you can't see that you are either blind or retarded.

We drafted Archer 97th overall and people were excited about getting the fastest guy in the draft. Whooptie ******* boo-hoo! Sorry we all can't be pessimistic Debbie Downer or Negative Nancy like you. I have said it a thousand times and I will say it again, a third round pick has less than a 12% chance at starting. Not being an every day starter just starting a ******* football game. All the guys we "should have" picked instead aren't blowing the league up either so the fact Archer dresses and gets into the game is actually a positive thing but no he hasn't busted out a 50 yard TD so he sucks.

Bottom line you don't like Archer or the pick so his five touches, to you, make him a bust because one hasn't gone for a 50 yard touchdown. But you liked the Tuitt pick so his one assisted tackle makes him the next Aaron ******* Smith. HYPOCRITE!

There's no hypocrisy in the post, they play COMPLETELY different positions, with COMPLETELY different expectations. I also never mentioned Aaron Smith, that was all you (and to be quite frank, I HIGHLY doubt we'll EVER see another Aaron Smith type player). You keep going on and on about his one assist, and COMPLETELY ignore what I've said about what he DOES do well (especially compared to what else we have on the roster). I said you can see the potential is there. He has the strength, the mobility, and the size that you want in a 3-4 DE, and once he puts it all together he's going to be good for us.

I'm sorry that you feel I'm being a debbie downer over one pick, one pick that we really didn't have the luxury to make, one that even in the third round of barely has a chance to make the starting line up bullshit line you keep throwing out...has an even SMALL chance of being an impact player... but that's all you keep saying he is GOING to be. Just wait and see I keep hearing. I did not see the blazing speed in preseason either. I saw a decently fast player catch a ball in tons of space, with no one around him, and get run out of bounds. It was preseason, soft coverage, vanilla defenses, and not all starters, but I'm supposed to buy that because his TWO plays in preseason, he's just going to bust one out.... just wait and see. In the mean time, I'm watching him get arm tackled by CB's, read the holes wrong, fail to set up any blocks on run backs, and just look absolutely slow as **** when there are people around him.

My views aren't hypocritical, they just aren't yours. And it's not because he hasn't busted one for 50 yards and a TD, he hasn't even produced a first down. His longest play is 4 yards. Cameron Heyward our STARTING DE has a whopping 8 tackles and 5 assists, Steve McClendon our STARTING NT has 9 tackles 5 assists, Cam Thomas our STARTING DE ahead of Tuitt has 3 tackles, 5 assists. Really piling up those tackles... can't understand why someone who has played 15% of the defensive snaps doesn't have eye popping stats from a position where eye popping stats don't exist. It's so weird.

If you run very fast in Pre Season games in full pads, you run very fast in Regular Season games in full pads. Does this analogy work better? If he can't run as fast in the Regular season as you say, then perhaps he is conserving energy for next year's Pre Season where he can REALLY show his stuff again.

He didn't run very fast, I said it then and I'm still saying it. He doesn't look that fast out there. And whether it's because he isn't 100% or because he can't handle the pressure of people being around him (has to have WIDE open space), doesn't matter. Tell me he looks fast RIGHT now, during the regular season, against starters, against teams game planning, tell me where this speed is. Tell me why I wasn't the one that started this thread about his 40 time not translate, tell me I'm the ONLY one that doesn't see it. Hell I've seen a couple articles written recently asking if the Steelers made a mistake drafting Archer.

Fact is we had positions without much depth (CB, OLB), and now because of injuries, those positions have even less depth. I don't care if there is a list of people we should have picked out there somewhere. I don't care if they are blowing up the league or not. We will never know how they would have fared with the Steelers given the injuries we've had. What I do know is that Archer has not produced a single first down, he has not made a single guy miss, he looks hesitant, unsure, and slow. He's a Steeler, and I will cheer for him until he no longer where's black and gold, but he hasn't given me much to cheer for. All he's given me is questions...

Where's the speed gone?
 
He looked fast as hell in the preseason. He was also running vs the other team's starters. He looked fast game 1 vs Cleveland. I don't know if his injury slowed him up, or if he's being tentative now because he was injured, but he doesn't move with the quickness he's previously shown.

Dwight Stone Hands. Can't say I miss that guy. He made Limas Sweed look like Jerry Rice!
 
There's no hypocrisy in the post, they play COMPLETELY different positions, with COMPLETELY different expectations. I also never mentioned Aaron Smith, that was all you (and to be quite frank, I HIGHLY doubt we'll EVER see another Aaron Smith type player). You keep going on and on about his one assist, and COMPLETELY ignore what I've said about what he DOES do well (especially compared to what else we have on the roster). I said you can see the potential is there. He has the strength, the mobility, and the size that you want in a 3-4 DE, and once he puts it all together he's going to be good for us.
Oh, so the expectations are different... So do tell what are the expectations of an end of the third round 97th overall pick which is behind a starter in Bell and a free agent acqusition in Blount vs a mid second round pick 46th overall and 51 spots ahead of Archer who has OLD *** BRETT KEISEL AND FAT *** CAM THOMAS in front of him? Obviously, Archer in your eyes has fallen short of expectations so please do tell HOW Tuitt has exceeded his? Oh, wait in his ONE ASSISTED TACKLE he has shown "potential" while Archer in his 5 touches has proved beyond a reasonable doubt that he is surely a bust and wasted pick.

So please tell me how Tuitt has shown potential and Archer has not? Please, I really want to hear this one!
I'm sorry that you feel I'm being a debbie downer over one pick, one pick that we really didn't have the luxury to make, one that even in the third round of barely has a chance to make the starting line up bullshit line you keep throwing out...has an even SMALL chance of being an impact player... but that's all you keep saying he is GOING to be. Just wait and see I keep hearing. I did not see the blazing speed in preseason either. I saw a decently fast player catch a ball in tons of space, with no one around him, and get run out of bounds. It was preseason, soft coverage, vanilla defenses, and not all starters, but I'm supposed to buy that because his TWO plays in preseason, he's just going to bust one out.... just wait and see. In the mean time, I'm watching him get arm tackled by CB's, read the holes wrong, fail to set up any blocks on run backs, and just look absolutely slow as **** when there are people around him.
He looks slow? You are blind or retarded aren't you? He has not busted a long gain but when he has the ball you can see he is faster than the guys out there. Yes, in his FIVE touches he has not had a huge gainer but if you can't see the potential is there then there is no hope because WHEN he does, and yes I believe he will, I am 100% sure you will have an excuse to how it wasn't a credit to him but because of something the defense did or a great block by someone. I already can hear the excuses now.

And again WHAT HAS TUITT FLASHED????????? One ASSISTED TACKLE! Oh, DE's aren't supposed to make plays they stand there and look stupid der der der.

I could not find the link I posted earlier which took into consideration all the NFL draft but this chart shows since 1988+ since the 7 round draft was introduced.
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Since 1988 3rd rounders that have started are at 14.4% so a little better than before 1988.

My views aren't hypocritical, they just aren't yours. And it's not because he hasn't busted one for 50 yards and a TD, he hasn't even produced a first down. His longest play is 4 yards.
ONE FIVE TOUCHES!!!
Cameron Heyward our STARTING DE has a whopping 8 tackles and 5 assists, Steve McClendon our STARTING NT has 9 tackles 5 assists, Cam Thomas our STARTING DE ahead of Tuitt has 3 tackles, 5 assists. Really piling up those tackles... can't understand why someone who has played 15% of the defensive snaps doesn't have eye popping stats from a position where eye popping stats don't exist. It's so weird.

So our line is doing ****** and Tuitt is still not starting and barely even playing and that proves your point? I mean Archer only has the 2nd leading rusher in the NFL and Blount who is averaging 6.4 ypc in front of him. But yes, they should try to get Archer the ball more because those two aren't getting it done.


He didn't run very fast, I said it then and I'm still saying it. He doesn't look that fast out there. And whether it's because he isn't 100% or because he can't handle the pressure of people being around him (has to have WIDE open space), doesn't matter. Tell me he looks fast RIGHT now, during the regular season, against starters, against teams game planning, tell me where this speed is. Tell me why I wasn't the one that started this thread about his 40 time not translate, tell me I'm the ONLY one that doesn't see it. Hell I've seen a couple articles written recently asking if the Steelers made a mistake drafting Archer.
We have established you are either blind or retarded.
Fact is we had positions without much depth (CB, OLB), and now because of injuries, those positions have even less depth. I don't care if there is a list of people we should have picked out there somewhere. I don't care if they are blowing up the league or not. We will never know how they would have fared with the Steelers given the injuries we've had. What I do know is that Archer has not produced a single first down, he has not made a single guy miss, he looks hesitant, unsure, and slow. He's a Steeler, and I will cheer for him until he no longer where's black and gold, but he hasn't given me much to cheer for. All he's given me is questions...

Where's the speed gone?
Show me a pick AFTER Archer who is doing more at CB or OLB.
 
Meanwhile, fellow midget De'Anthony Thomas had a beautiful TD catch today. If we were going to burn a pick on a gadget player, I wish we'd grabbed him.

Or perhaps their coaching staff is able to design a play and find ways to get DT the ball? I mean, you have the #2 Ranked Running back in the league and the #3 WR in the league and you cant find a way to punch the ball into the End Zone consistantly. The Steelers are playing like **** becasue they are being coached like ****. Archer included.
 
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