What "church" would that be? Hitler was not a Catholic. The Nazis murdered millions of Christians.
Of the 11 million people killed during the Holocaust, six million were Polish citizens. Three million were Polish Jews and another three million were Polish Christians.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/NonJewishVictims.html
So you were telling me about how Hitler was a Christian? You may wish to re-visit your grossly inaccurate meme.
Adolf Hitler was raised by an anti-clerical, skeptic father and devout Catholic mother. Baptized as an infant and confirmed at the age of fifteen, he ceased attending Mass and participating in the sacraments in later life. In adulthood, Hitler became disdainful of Christianity, but in the pursuit and maintenance of power was prepared to delay clashes with the churches out of political considerations. Hitler's architect Albert Speer believed he had "no real attachment" to Catholicism, but that he had never formally left the Church. Unlike his comrade Joseph Goebbels, Hitler was not excommunicated prior to his suicide.
The biographer John Toland noted Hitler's anticlericalism, but considered him still in "good standing" with the Church by 1941, while historians such as Ian Kershaw, Joachim Fest and Alan Bullock agree that Hitler was anti-Christian - a view evidenced by sources such as the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Speer, and the transcripts edited by Martin Bormann contained within Hitler's Table Talk.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
So once again, you are pursuing a fundamentally false narrative. But hey, global warmers never let facts get in their way, right?
Right, just because they were atheists, and killed millions, is no reason to suggest a causal relationship.
Unless it's Hitler, I guess. Right?
Despite the fact that Hitler was not a member of any Christian church, did not go to services, and disdained Christianity when an adult, right??? Back to our friends at Wikipedia:
Goebbels wrote in 1941 that Hitler "hates Christianity, because it has crippled all that is noble in humanity." Many historians have come to the conclusion that Hitler's long term aim was the eradication of Christianity in Germany, while others maintain that there is insufficient evidence for such a plan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler
Hitler's Table Talk, a revealing collection of the Fuhrer's private opinions, assembled by a close aide during the war years, shows Hitler to be rabidly anti-religious. He called Christianity one of the great "scourges" of history, and said of the Germans, "Let's be the only people who are immunized against this disease." He promised that "through the peasantry we shall be able to destroy Christianity." In fact, he blamed the Jews for inventing Christianity. He also condemned Christianity for its opposition to evolution.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/common-misconceptions/was-hitler-a-christian.html
Yeah, sounds like he was all over that Christianity thing. Hey, don't let the facts get in the way of your rant, elfie.
Hitler was a genocidal maniac because he was a Christian, despite what his peers said and despite the fact that he attended no church, observed no services, and identified no Christian religion as his own, while the commie leaders like Mao and Stalin did NOT murder because of atheism, though in fact they were well-documented atheists who forced atheism onto their populations and engaged in genocide that dwarfed Hitler's murders.
Got it.
P.S. Regarding D'Souza - how many books have you published? D'Souza has published 12 and counting. Isn't that one of your go-to arguments on Global warming? The fact that a non-published critic has no standing to cast aspersions on the findings of a published expert?
I believe the phrase, elfie, is "hoisted by your own petard." Consider yourself hoisted, by your undies, in front of Steeler Nation.
Your incessant need to be intellectually abused by me is really pathetic. You bring up global warming in an attempt to suck me into the climate change thread you guys have kept on the first page hoping that I'll go in there and re hash the same points that have destroyed you in the past. This should be the motto of G&G CONservatives; "Masochism there is no substitute."
When I returned here after my unjust fascist banning you proceeded to launch the mother of all Ad Hominem attacks and call me every name in the book when I had not exchanged any words with you up to that point. It seemed to me analogous to the incoherent, preemptive, ramblings of a terrified child.
You even have a line of something I wrote for your sig, of course taken out of context. You really are sad.
Now on to your desired abuse:
First to the question of Hitler being a Catholic and never attending church as an adult; I will give you and the other members of the CONservative 40 watt club here pictures so that you may better understand. Oh I probably have to explain the 40 watt reference as well......in other words not very bright bulbs.
As far as the murder of Poles that were not Jewish goes they were considered subhuman and others were part of the resistance. The Nazis also murdered gypsies and Jehovah's Witnesses among others, in some cases it was for racial reasons in others pacifism, but the overwhelming reason was religious bigotry and racial hatred inculcated by the Christian church.(see picture #2)
http://www.bytwerk.com/gpa/hitler2.htm
"GOTT MIT UNS" Translation---"GOD WITH US". The belt buckle issued by the Nazis TO EVERY NAZI SOLDIER. Your bulbs just gained 2 watts of power kids, of course entirely dependent on your willingness to accept facts rather than what you want to believe. I know that for conservatives that's an almost impossible task,I'm reminded of the climate change debates of the past once again.
As far as what Speers or any scholar quoting him or any other party member has to say on Hitler I think the actions of the NAZI party under him have more merit.
From your own linked to Wiki article:
Kershaw wrote that few people could really claim to "know" Hitler, who was "a very private, even secretive individual".[31] Hitler's Table Talk has Hitler often voicing stridently negative views of Christianity. Bullock wrote that Hitler was a rationalist and materialist, who saw Christianity as a religion "fit for slaves", and against the natural law of selection and survival of the fittest.[32] Toland, while noting Hitler's antagonism to the Pope and Church hierarchy, drew links between Hitler's Catholic background and his anti-Semitism.[33] Following meetings with Hitler, General Gerhard Engel and Cardinal Michael von Faulhaber wrote that Hitler was a believer. Kershaw cites Faulhaber's case as an example of Hitler's ability to deceive "even hardened critics". Steigmann-Gall saw a "Christian element" in Hitler's early writings and evidence that he continued to hold Jesus in high esteem as an "Aryan fighter" who struggled against Jewry.[34][35] Use of the term "positive Christianity" in the Nazi Party Program of the 1920s is commonly regarded as a tactical measure, but Steigmann-Gall believes it may have had an "inner logic" and been "more than a political ploy
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."- Adolf Hitler, to General Gerhard Engel, 1941
It's Steigmann-Gall that has done the definitive work on Hitler, not Toland. It Doesn't matter I don't need either one. Let's look at the acts i spoke about earlier.
Herman Goring's wedding..lots of Atheism here..right special ed time ?
The Nazis had nothing to do with the church...right special ed time? Here they are at church.
And of course the church had nothing to do with the NAZIS. Imagine something as ridiculous as priests giving the NAZI salute...of course not, that never happened...........
As far as causality goes(a concept you obviously don't have a clue about) Hitler and Stalin both wore military uniforms and had mustaches, therefore a combination of cotton,symbolic emblems, and facial hair is the cause of their behavior. Is that how it works special ed time? No that's called correlation, and as some of us know kids; correlation does not equal causation.
The causal relationship is established here when we have the words from Hitlers mouth and on printed page by his own hand declaring his Christianity. We also have the icing on the cake; photographs for corroboration as to what beliefs he and his NAZI followers acted on.
If any of you are following along you are now up to 44 watts, enough to light up a good sized closet.Carry on.
Education and one of the results of it; enlightenment, is a beautiful thing.
As far as Dinesh and his "writing" you surely know that he is a joke in academic circles right? He is not a philosopher nor a historian. He's a right wing hack probably on his way to prison for election fraud criminal activity. Anyone can write a book, as i wrote in another post David Duke and Oprah are also "authors". A book is not a peer reviewed paper I think you don't understand that either.....nothing is new under the sun is it?
