Tibs and Tim. Can't you see what has happened? The division is so deep that even rational people who care about the US political system cannot talk. My bet is that if you did just converse, you would agree on much. But, because there is power in division, and the media spouts hate constantly, there is no way to find those many commonalities.
Do either of you want to be the sheep led by deception? Then stop. You may each wish that there were better candidates available to vote on, or a multi-party system in the USA, or whatever. But, for God's sake, stop with the assault on each other. It takes the power from those who would benefit from your division.
United we stand. Divided we fall.
Here's the point, you can't have a rational discussion with Tibs. And I'll explain why and it's very simple. To have a "discussion" you need to have give and take. For instance, if I concede on points of his, he concedes on points of mine, I find fault with my side, he finds fault with his.
Tibs only goes one way. Period.
Pick any topic we debate. ANY. Take these recent shootings.
Any rational sane person, regardless of their affiliation, can step forward and say the people that threw molotov cocktails at Kyle Rittenhouse, who chased him down, made him fall, hit him with a skateboard, and pointed a gun at him were bad, wrong and instigators, and vermin and should be condemned.
Except Tibs. He won't. Avoids it. Throws out a straw man. Goes all whataboutism.
His Antifa DDay meme was colossally offensive to many. He never apologized (should have been a simple, whoops I ****** up you're right - and that's it). Instead he explained and justified WHY he posted it.
Tibs never conceded that Hillary violated laws with her email server. She factually did. He only provided cover.
Tibs assured us what he interpreted happened with the Indian and Nicholas Sandman was right. When he was unequivocally proven to be wrong, he didn't say whoops, my bad, or correct it. He simply ignored it.
There's a million other examples. I'll ask you to pay closer attention.
You can't have a discussion if both sides aren't willing to concede points. To meet in the middle. Read his posts for years as I have. He never concedes, he never gives, and therefore you can't have a discussion with him.
Believe me, we've all tried.