Thought I just caught end of conversation, apparently Belicheat is rumored to have Jets playbook.
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Belicheat at it again?
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That would be so great
Don't know validity but came across espn ticker during World Cup
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Not that it would surprise me at all, but this is really just the Browns coach speculating and talking smack. Although the whole Brady bragging about it at a wedding thing is kinda suspicious...
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/1...england-allegedly-copy-new-york-jets-playbook
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- An irritated Rex Ryan said Thursday that every game between the New York Jets and the New England Patriots has been won or lost fairly, and refuted the idea that Alabama coach Nick Saban would have passed along a Jets defensive playbook to Patriots coach Bill Belichick.
"I get it, because I gave a defensive playbook to Nick Saban when he came here and spent four or five days with us," Ryan said. "One thing I know for a fact, No. 1, I think it's disrespectful to New England to say 'Oh they did this.' I can tell you every single game we've ever had with New England has been decided on the field."
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Bill Belichick, right, allegedly has a copy of the Jets' playbook, which coach Rex Ryan gives out "like candy," former assistant Mike Pettine told Sports Illustrated.
Ryan was responding to an interview Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine, Ryan's defensive coordinator from 2009 to 2012, gave the MMQB.com during which he said that the Patriots could have a playbook through Saban.
"I don't understand what he's trying to gain by it, but that's up to Mike," Ryan said.
Ryan may have started his tenure with the Jets by saying he wasn't going to kiss Patriots coach Bill Belichick's rings, but on Wednesday, after the final practice of the team's mandatory minicamp, Ryan staunchly defended his old foe.
"To discredit somebody like Belichick, who is a real coach, studies his butt off, is ridiculous," Ryan said.
Saban, who is on vacation, denied the report through his football SID, Jeff Purinton. Saban said that he didn't send Belichick a playbook and wouldn't in any situation. He added that the playbook Ryan gave him is still in his office at Alabama and that Ryan and Belichick are both friends of his and that he would never consider doing something like that to either.
The issue arose earlier when the MMQB.com published the interview with Pettine.
At Wes Welker's wedding, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady bragged to Mike Smith, another former Jets assistant, that they may have a copy of the Jets' playbook, according to Pettine. Smith and Welker were college roommates at Texas Tech; Smith is now a member of Pettine's staff.
"It didn't shock me because Rex would give them out like candy anyway," Pettine told the website. "He gave one out to Saban, and I was like, 'Don't you know Saban and Bill are pretty good friends? I have a feeling it's going to end up in New England.'"
Ryan has always spoken highly of Saban, and he has spoken on at least one occasion at a coaches' clinic at Alabama. But Saban and Belichick are extremely tight; Saban was Belichick's defensive coordinator with the Browns from 1991 to 1994.
What would possess Pettine to reveal such sensitive information? In the profile, he explains why he prefers not to have a thick playbook, saying he doesn't like to include "graduate-level information" because of the possibility of it ending up in enemy hands. "We know in places like New England, it's only a matter of time that they somehow mysteriously end up with our playbook," Pettine said. Jets defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman said he had never heard of a playbook falling to an opponent, and wasn't sure it would necessarily help win a game.
"You got to know what you're looking at," Thurman said. "You have to decode it, but I don't think so."
When Belichick was asked about the story, he replied, "Talk to Mike Pettine. I don't know."
Ryan was clearly not happy that he had to spend the better part of his last press conference of the offseason responding to what a former coach of his said. How is his relationship with Pettine at the moment?
"It's in a bad spot right now," Ryan said and laughed. "Like, really dude seriously?' "
Ryan went on to say he was proud of Pettine for rising to a head coaching job, in the big picture. In the short term however, the assertion that there is some kind of gamesmanship on Belichick's part raises the specter of Spygate, when the Patriots taped Jets practice in 2007.
"I think it's disappointing because it sends a message that oh, here it goes again," Ryan said.
Ryan said that the playbook wouldn't help much anyway, since it changes every single game. The way to prepare against an opponent isn't with an old playbook but through film study, Ryan said.
The Jets have won four of the 11 games against the Patriots since Ryan started coaching the team in 2009, including a playoff win in New England. The Jets have been blocked from the AFC East title by the Patriots in the Ryan era, and the two times the team made the post-season, it was with the wild card in 2009 and 2010.
Still, Ryan wouldn't hear that the Patriots had an unfair advantage for any of their wins.
"The times they beat us, they've outperformed us," Ryan said.
Information from ESPNNewYork's Rich Cimini, ESPNBoston.com's Mike Reiss and ESPN.com's Chris Low was used in this report.
FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- An irritated Rex Ryan said Thursday that every game between the New York Jets and the New England Patriots has been won or lost fairly, and refuted the idea that Alabama coach Nick Saban would have passed along a Jets defensive playbook to Patriots coach Bill Belichick.
"I get it, because I gave a defensive playbook to Nick Saban when he came here and spent four or five days with us," Ryan said. "One thing I know for a fact, No. 1, I think it's disrespectful to New England to say 'Oh they did this.' I can tell you every single game we've ever had with New England has been decided on the field."
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AP Photo/Julio Cortez
Bill Belichick, right, allegedly has a copy of the Jets' playbook, which coach Rex Ryan gives out "like candy," former assistant Mike Pettine told Sports Illustrated.
Ryan was responding to an interview Cleveland Browns coach Mike Pettine, Ryan's defensive coordinator from 2009 to 2012, gave the MMQB.com during which he said that the Patriots could have a playbook through Saban.
"I don't understand what he's trying to gain by it, but that's up to Mike," Ryan said.
Ryan may have started his tenure with the Jets by saying he wasn't going to kiss Patriots coach Bill Belichick's rings, but on Wednesday, after the final practice of the team's mandatory minicamp, Ryan staunchly defended his old foe.
"To discredit somebody like Belichick, who is a real coach, studies his butt off, is ridiculous," Ryan said.
Saban, who is on vacation, denied the report through his football SID, Jeff Purinton. Saban said that he didn't send Belichick a playbook and wouldn't in any situation. He added that the playbook Ryan gave him is still in his office at Alabama and that Ryan and Belichick are both friends of his and that he would never consider doing something like that to either.
The issue arose earlier when the MMQB.com published the interview with Pettine.
At Wes Welker's wedding, Patriots quarterback Tom Brady bragged to Mike Smith, another former Jets assistant, that they may have a copy of the Jets' playbook, according to Pettine. Smith and Welker were college roommates at Texas Tech; Smith is now a member of Pettine's staff.
"It didn't shock me because Rex would give them out like candy anyway," Pettine told the website. "He gave one out to Saban, and I was like, 'Don't you know Saban and Bill are pretty good friends? I have a feeling it's going to end up in New England.'"
Ryan has always spoken highly of Saban, and he has spoken on at least one occasion at a coaches' clinic at Alabama. But Saban and Belichick are extremely tight; Saban was Belichick's defensive coordinator with the Browns from 1991 to 1994.
What would possess Pettine to reveal such sensitive information? In the profile, he explains why he prefers not to have a thick playbook, saying he doesn't like to include "graduate-level information" because of the possibility of it ending up in enemy hands. "We know in places like New England, it's only a matter of time that they somehow mysteriously end up with our playbook," Pettine said. Jets defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman said he had never heard of a playbook falling to an opponent, and wasn't sure it would necessarily help win a game.
"You got to know what you're looking at," Thurman said. "You have to decode it, but I don't think so."
When Belichick was asked about the story, he replied, "Talk to Mike Pettine. I don't know."
Ryan was clearly not happy that he had to spend the better part of his last press conference of the offseason responding to what a former coach of his said. How is his relationship with Pettine at the moment?
"It's in a bad spot right now," Ryan said and laughed. "Like, really dude seriously?' "
Ryan went on to say he was proud of Pettine for rising to a head coaching job, in the big picture. In the short term however, the assertion that there is some kind of gamesmanship on Belichick's part raises the specter of Spygate, when the Patriots taped Jets practice in 2007.
"I think it's disappointing because it sends a message that oh, here it goes again," Ryan said.
Ryan said that the playbook wouldn't help much anyway, since it changes every single game. The way to prepare against an opponent isn't with an old playbook but through film study, Ryan said.
The Jets have won four of the 11 games against the Patriots since Ryan started coaching the team in 2009, including a playoff win in New England. The Jets have been blocked from the AFC East title by the Patriots in the Ryan era, and the two times the team made the post-season, it was with the wild card in 2009 and 2010.
Still, Ryan wouldn't hear that the Patriots had an unfair advantage for any of their wins.
"The times they beat us, they've outperformed us," Ryan said.
Information from ESPNNewYork's Rich Cimini, ESPNBoston.com's Mike Reiss and ESPN.com's Chris Low was used in this report.
at it again would imply he stopped
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Brady actually bragging about it? What an *******.
Why in the hell would you want to send a playbook out with anyone anyway? Also the plays and signals can not change too much or your own players will not know what to do. I would not be surprised if the nfl teams do not know quite a bit about the other teams plays from watching games and the many free agents that travel from team to team in the league.
Nothing will happen. Goodell will get rid of the evidence, the "media" will go on an on about how it's nothing, everybody does it, and the Pats will continue to get everything handed to them. This is Roger's NFL.
Is that a rhetorical question?
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You can create a team's playbook pretty much by just watching their last 8 games.
Most fans don't really understand how playbooks are created or used.
Every coach has a "bible". No matter what confidentiality agreement coaches have, they create their own "bible" of plays they take with them place to place to place. This is often 1000+ plays in a huge 3-ring binder or multiple 3-ring binder. Teams/owners have "bibles" too. It's their team and they have access to plays as well. Don't think a good owner demands copies of the plays.
In February/March, coaches get together and talk about last year's playbook and try to create a 1000 play "Master Playbook" for the upcoming season. They steal stuff. They use new coaches input. It's a copy cat league and this is when it happens.
Come April/May as the roster starts to become apparent this 1000+ plays become a "Playbook" for the season. It might have 200 plays. This is what ends up getting distributed to the players before OTA's.
After OTA's, the playbook is modified based on what the coaches see in player and how they reacted to the original playbook. Were some plays too complex? Do we need to add more plays for a specific player? Do we not have the talent to run this play? The 200-play binder gets some pages ripped out and some pages added.
Come training camp the official "2014 playbook" is issued to all players. This is a top-secret document because it RARELY changes from this point forward. It has about 200 plays in it. That's it.
They practice these 200 plays at least once each. A player might practice a play the first week in training camp and not see that play again until week 15. It happens.
On Tuesday of "Game Week", the players are issued very specific play books for that week only. They are 60 plays +/- of the 200 play playbook. These are the plays the coaches have selected to use this week in this matchup that they think will work the best. The players are expected to know these plays by heart and be ready. Wednesday is a physical practice where they run through the run plays with hitting. Thursday/Friday are walk throughs and 7-on-7 drills. No hitting. Saturday is film review, a small walk-through and team dinner before the game with the coach's speech. Sunday is game day and the whole process repeats itself.
So a "playbook" is a very ambiguous statement. What playbook? The 1000+ bible? The 200 season playbook? That week's 60 play playbook vs. a specific team?
It's very unclear how any of those would help in a Jets vs. Patriots game if it's "leaked" a year before they play each other. Doesn't make any sense.
Most fans don't really understand how playbooks are created or used.
Every coach has a "bible". No matter what confidentiality agreement coaches have, they create their own "bible" of plays they take with them place to place to place. This is often 1000+ plays in a huge 3-ring binder or multiple 3-ring binder. Teams/owners have "bibles" too. It's their team and they have access to plays as well. Don't think a good owner demands copies of the plays.
In February/March, coaches get together and talk about last year's playbook and try to create a 1000 play "Master Playbook" for the upcoming season. They steal stuff. They use new coaches input. It's a copy cat league and this is when it happens.
Come April/May as the roster starts to become apparent this 1000+ plays become a "Playbook" for the season. It might have 200 plays. This is what ends up getting distributed to the players before OTA's.
After OTA's, the playbook is modified based on what the coaches see in player and how they reacted to the original playbook. Were some plays too complex? Do we need to add more plays for a specific player? Do we not have the talent to run this play? The 200-play binder gets some pages ripped out and some pages added.
Come training camp the official "2014 playbook" is issued to all players. This is a top-secret document because it RARELY changes from this point forward. It has about 200 plays in it. That's it.
They practice these 200 plays at least once each. A player might practice a play the first week in training camp and not see that play again until week 15. It happens.
On Tuesday of "Game Week", the players are issued very specific play books for that week only. They are 60 plays +/- of the 200 play playbook. These are the plays the coaches have selected to use this week in this matchup that they think will work the best. The players are expected to know these plays by heart and be ready. Wednesday is a physical practice where they run through the run plays with hitting. Thursday/Friday are walk throughs and 7-on-7 drills. No hitting. Saturday is film review, a small walk-through and team dinner before the game with the coach's speech. Sunday is game day and the whole process repeats itself.
So a "playbook" is a very ambiguous statement. What playbook? The 1000+ bible? The 200 season playbook? That week's 60 play playbook vs. a specific team?
It's very unclear how any of those would help in a Jets vs. Patriots game if it's "leaked" a year before they play each other. Doesn't make any sense.
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I did not find your non working link funny. I am sure by this point Goodell has aquired one of these.
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That's awesome info deljzc.
Is there a separate book for Offense and Defense? Either the bible, training camp, or game day version?
Is there a separate book for Offense and Defense? Either the bible, training camp, or game day version?
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Offense and Defense are completely separate.
I'm sure Lebeau's "Bible" is probably 2000+ plays, going back into the 1960's and 1970's. But what happens in February/March is much more refined. He will sit down with Tomlin and the other defensive coaches and start changing the 2013 defensive playbook into a 2014 one. They will study other teams. They will talk about what worked and didn't. They will copy other teams of uncover something old again that might work. All in preparation of OTA's where they can walk through the plays with players and see what sticks.
You have to understand how regimented all this is (almost to a detriment in my opinion). Bill Belichick is actually different on this issue. His playbooks is not quite as rigid on game days. He and Brady can actually add things OUTSIDE the 60-play game day playbook and from the 200+ season playbook if the game situation warrants it. Not many teams can do that, but Brady/Belichick do on occasion. The WR's have said as much in interviews.
If Mike Tomlin could get his hands on the Ravens playbook and it would help, go for it. If you are stupid enough to put something like that out there its your fault. I don't consider that cheating. Take care of your own ****. Stealing someone else's signals illegally and against league rules. That was cheating.
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Probably not, but the answer is in the "feet" .
SUPER great post, thank you for the time and effort in the making of !!!
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Intercepting other teams signals over the radio is cheating. Putting microphones on your offensive and defensive linemen is cheating. Keeping a massive library of defensive signals is cheating. Having Ernie Adams go through it all for real time half time adjustments is cheating. Tom Brady is a real grade A douchebag. I would love to see him get busted in half by anyone on any team. I'd prefer the Steelers do it. We owe them a FEW.
Pat fans will tell yinz everyone was doing it ! lol
If your a Browns fan...you have to be wondering about the intentions of your new football coach...
Even if his statements are true...doesn't he have other priorities at the moment?
Timing is everything in life.
Even if his statements are true...doesn't he have other priorities at the moment?
Timing is everything in life.
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