• Please be aware we've switched the forums to their own URL. (again) You'll find the new website address to be www.steelernationforum.com Thanks
  • Please clear your private messages. Your inbox is close to being full.

Fake punt

FFS, it was pitch and catch at the picnic easy. Yes, Pierre dropped the ball. There are also instances of Jerry Rice and Chris Carter dropping balls. From what I recall, he dropped it because he tried to run before securing the catch. It was an easy first down if he catches it.
Yeah, you keep proving my point. It was such an easy catch for a psychologically tough cousin of Lamar Jackson that he was obviously able to make several times in practice, yet he dropped it in the game when it counted. Gee, I wonder what was different about that live situation. Hmmmm. Nervousness? Pressure? Naw, couldn't be.

Yes, Jerry Rice dropped a few balls to go along with the nearly 1300 he managed to catch. How that has any relevance to James Pierre? Only you can know.
 
Yeah, you keep proving my point. It was such an easy catch for a psychologically tough cousin of Lamar Jackson that he was obviously able to make several times in practice, yet he dropped it in the game when it counted. Gee, I wonder what was different about that live situation. Hmmmm. Nervousness? Pressure? Naw, couldn't be.

Yes, Jerry Rice dropped a few balls to go along with the nearly 1300 he managed to catch. How that has any relevance to James Pierre? Only you can know.
And Waitman’s punts were perfect in practice and then he shanked a punt instead of the fake.

OR

The punt team blocking was perfect in practice and then they allowed a blocked punt instead of the fake.

OR

The punt coverage was perfect in practice and then they allowed a return for a TD instead of the fake.

You can’t make the exception the rule. You can’t blame the call for the execution.
 
And Waitman’s punts were perfect in practice and then he shanked a punt instead of the fake.

OR

The punt team blocking was perfect in practice and then they allowed a blocked punt instead of the fake.

OR

The punt coverage was perfect in practice and then they allowed a return for a TD instead of the fake.

You can’t make the exception the rule. You can’t blame the call for the execution.
You can't compare rote special teams activity to a fake punt which has never been attempted under real game conditions, with 15 yards to convert from their own 16 yard line.

Unless you're just stupid.
 
What I didn't like was field position (backed up way too far in our own territory), too early in the game (we HAD momentum), and personnel (Pierre).
To me, that's all the more reason to do it. NOBODY runs that play there. Yet the Steelers did.

You know, as fans we tend to complain that this coaching staff is too passive in their calls, too predictable. When they finally do some **** that's outside the box and aggressive, we complain. I thought the call was awesome. If Pierre catches the damn ball, as Trog pointed out that 90% of the fans in the stands could have done, it is revered as brilliant. The call was awesome, the execution sucked. It happens.
 
You can't compare rote special teams activity to a fake punt which has never been attempted under real game conditions, with 15 yards to convert from their own 16 yard line.

Unless you're just stupid.
It’s not rote. You act as if every punt goes 50 yards and has a 5 yard return. You also act as if giving up 40 yards of field position in the first half is a death knell.
 
To me, that's all the more reason to do it. NOBODY runs that play there. Yet the Steelers did.

You know, as fans we tend to complain that this coaching staff is too passive in their calls, too predictable. When they finally do some **** that's outside the box and aggressive, we complain. I thought the call was awesome. If Pierre catches the damn ball, as Trog pointed out that 90% of the fans in the stands could have done, it is revered as brilliant. The call was awesome, the execution sucked. It happens.
Believe me, I'm not complaining about seeing Tomlin being aggressive and thinking outside the box. It was refreshing in that sense. I just disagree with the time, place, and personnel used. Other than that, it was perfect.

90% of the fans in attendance could have made 15 yards on that play? lol

Old ladies, aged geezers, uncoordinated kids, all the fat slob men and women of any age waddling around the concession stands? 9 out of 10 of 'em make that catch? Sure. Sure they could have. I've got no idea what you and @Troglodyte look like, but both of you would probably crack under that pressure situation and drop the ball too.
 
It’s not rote. You act as if every punt goes 50 yards and has a 5 yard return. You also act as if giving up 40 yards of field position in the first half is a death knell.
I'm not acting like that at all. You obviously don't know what the word "rote" means.
 
Believe me, I'm not complaining about seeing Tomlin being aggressive and thinking outside the box. It was refreshing in that sense. I just disagree with the time, place, and personnel used. Other than that, it was perfect.

90% of the fans in attendance could have made 15 yards on that play? lol

Old ladies, aged geezers, uncoordinated kids, all the fat slob men and women of any age waddling around the concession stands? 9 out of 10 of 'em make that catch? Sure. Sure they could have. I've got no idea what you and @Troglodyte look like, but both of you would probably crack under that pressure situation and drop the ball too.
Like Sarge pointed out, Field position and distance is exactly what made that call brilliant. Like I said in an earlier post, NO ONE on the face of the planet would have expected that. Obviously neither did the Commanders. These players get paid Millions to make those types of plays. The other reason why I think the play was perfect is we were up by 7 and it was very early in the game.

The other thing is every play is a risk, how many center/QB exchanges are muffed each week. how many running back fumbles do you see each week? we had one in this game. every time the ball is in the air there is a chance for an INT, maybe we shouldn't throw the ball on our own side of the field anymore. Missed field goals that give the ball to the other team in great field position, (other than Bos). the list is endless.

The point is winners really don't live in their fears, winners take chances that most others will not.
 
Last edited:
I'm not acting like that at all. You obviously don't know what the word "rote" means.
How do you know how many times they practiced that play? It could be multiple times every practice and maybe he makes that catch 99.9 percent of the time just like a FG kicker makes that extra point or close field goal 99.9 percent of the time but occasionally misses one in his career that actually cost the team a win.
 
You guys are so shortsighted

The mere fact that Tomlin tried this now puts in the mind of all opposing coaches this ************ is crazy

I like the fact that I went to go grab some food and Tomlin and tried to fake punt.

You best not step away from the TV or you just might miss something
 
You line up for a punt and a gunner is uncovered? You go for the fake 10 out of 10 times. This is good coaching taking advantage of a terrible mistake by the Commanders. They vacated the gunner, so Danny Smith's excellently coached ST correctly identified the open receiver and audibled to a fake.

You don't have a problem with the call, you have a problem with the result. I'm glad we have a coach that understands these calculated risks to give our team an advantage at a gift 1st down when a horrible mistake by the other team is correctly recognized.
 
Like Sarge pointed out, Field position and distance is exactly what made that call brilliant. Like I said in an earlier post, NO ONE on the face of the planet would have expected that. Obviously neither did the Commanders. These players get paid Millions to make those types of plays. The other reason why I think the play was perfect is we were up by 7 and it was very early in the game.

The other thing is every play is a risk, how many center/QB exchanges are muffed each week. how many running back fumbles do you see each week? we had one in this game. every time the ball is in the air there is a chance for an INT, maybe we shouldn't throw the ball on our own side of the field anymore. Missed field goals that give the ball to the other team in great field position, (other than Bos). the list is endless.

The point is winners really don't live in their fears, winners take chances that most others will not.
Yes, they should eliminate the center/QB exchange, stop handing the ball off to running backs, not throw the ball on their side of the field, and stop kicking field goals, because, you know, those plays are as just risky as a fake punt with a safety throwing the ball to a defensive back when they need 15 yards.

Great point.
How do you know how many times they practiced that play? It could be multiple times every practice and maybe he makes that catch 99.9 percent of the time just like a FG kicker makes that extra point or close field goal 99.9 percent of the time but occasionally misses one in his career that actually cost the team a win.
I know that James Pierre said he practiced the play all week and caught it every time. And we all know that he dropped it when it counted on Sunday. I'm sure it was purely coincidence, and he'll catch it the next 999 times.

Again with the field goal comparison? Jesus.
 
OK then what was your point in a punt supposedly being habitual?
My point was that the special teams unit spends a whole lot more time practicing its normal punting operation than it does fake punts. And it is exponentially that way during actual games. The average team punts 63 times a year, whereas you might see them run one fake punt during a season.

Understand the difference?
 
You line up for a punt and a gunner is uncovered? You go for the fake 10 out of 10 times. This is good coaching taking advantage of a terrible mistake by the Commanders. They vacated the gunner, so Danny Smith's excellently coached ST correctly identified the open receiver and audibled to a fake.

You don't have a problem with the call, you have a problem with the result. I'm glad we have a coach that understands these calculated risks to give our team an advantage at a gift 1st down when a horrible mistake by the other team is correctly recognized.
I've explained my view clearly enough times. I do have a problem with the call because of the timing and the personnel, and yes, for those reasons I do have a problem with the result. You and others don't, and that's fine. God bless you.

I guarantee that a whole shltload of you people might have different opinions had the Steelers not won that game. But they did happen to win -- so you all don't have a problem with this ill-timed show of aggression which ended up basically gifting Washington 7 points.
 
My point was that the special teams unit spends a whole lot more time practicing its normal punting operation than it does fake punts. And it is exponentially that way during actual games. The average team punts 63 times a year, whereas you might see them run one fake punt during a season.

Understand the difference?
Right, because the only way a fake punt works is if it’s unexpected AND… wait for it… the EXECUTION is there.
 
I've explained my view clearly enough times. I do have a problem with the call because of the timing and the personnel, and yes, for those reasons I do have a problem with the result. You and others don't, and that's fine. God bless you.

I guarantee that a whole shltload of you people might have different opinions had the Steelers not won that game. But they did happen to win -- so you all don't have a problem with this ill-timed show of aggression which ended up basically gifting Washington 7 points.
Again, I immediately defended the decision.
Bill Cowher defended it at halftime.

What does timing have to do with it? A good play is a good play and a bad play is a bad play regardless of when they happen. It’s like when people blame a loss on a kicker based on when he missed a FG. Last second = kicker’s fault, 1st Quarter = nobody remembers. A win or loss never comes down to one play, it’s a cumulative effort over 60 minutes.
 
I can't believe Cowher went for it on 4th down that 1 time.
Cowher would automatically be a better coach now since you can't surprise onside kick in the Superbowl anymore...
 
Right, because the only way a fake punt works is if it’s unexpected AND… wait for it… the EXECUTION is there.
No shlt.
Again, I immediately defended the decision.
Bill Cowher defended it at halftime.
Good for you and Bill Cowher.
What does timing have to do with it? A good play is a good play and a bad play is a bad play regardless of when they happen. It’s like when people blame a loss on a kicker based on when he missed a FG. Last second = kicker’s fault, 1st Quarter = nobody remembers. A win or loss never comes down to one play, it’s a cumulative effort over 60 minutes.
Timing, referring to the down/distance and location on the field. As previously explained ad nauseum.

Last second field goals = more pressure and nervousness from the kicker.
Fake punts from inside your own red zone needing 15 yards = more pressure and nervousness from the defensive back catching the ball.

It's really not all that difficult to understand, but I'm sure you'll still have something useless to add. Again.
 
Top