But Ron, look, I wanted Canada fired. But this complaint the antiquated offense. I think they had to try to do something well. I get this multi-dimensional stuff, and thats the way to win the big games, but this team did nothing well offensively. At least now they can run the ball more competently. Hopefully they can build in that. If you don't do anything well, you just suck multi-dimensionally.
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Cowher at least GOT to a Super Bowl earlier and regularly had deep playoff runs. Shades has shown no ability to do that after Cowher’s players and staff retired or moved on.
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Damn...watching NFL Live...so many playoff teams (and non-playoff teams) making DC/OC changes...depressing.
You can say that now...many on here didn't want to hear that in late Jan 2005.
Prove it...
Cowher was in the AFCCG in 2004 after a 15-1 season, having built a championship-caliber team capable of winning a Super Bowl, which they accomplished the following year. Here in 2023, Tomlin has long ago torn that down and replaced it with an also-ran team capable of going 9-7-1 or 9-8.
But yeah, you never know. Great logic.
Sigh...
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So far that's the absolute truth you really can't argue with. It appears many are content with being middle of the pack every year and getting their face kicked in if they stumble into the playoffs.
Those selective memories kick those on out. We all know what Steeler Championship level teams look like. They haven't made that jump.
Well "maybe next season" gets old after you say it a dozen times.
I hear you..... and of course I did mention injury.
Then perhaps he shouldn’t have played? If these were important games and it cost us a victory?
Hmmmm..... what were we? One game out?
But that is the part that they do not get. I'm not talking about winning percentage and a bunch of **** that keeps you happy some Sundays. I'm talking about true contention. Which is a playoff run. Not a one and done. That is not contention. And this team is just above the dregs like Detroit, Chicago and AZ. But this team is gonna give HCMT another extension. Jesus what is this the Bengals and Marvin ****** Lewis.
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Out of curiosity, Cowher getting there the 1st time against the Cowboys. Did he get there with mostly Nolls players?
But, yeah...I never said it was great logic. I don't give a shiit about logic. I just thought it would be fun to take the bet as you never know. And the fact is you never do know. Lighten up, Francis.
But also, and a main part of my point is, that many on this forum wanted Cowher run out on a damn rail after he lost that game. But now, oh, we all thought he was great. We knew it all along. What a bunch of shiit.
Oh no. I have tried to point that out as I think one of the stupidest arguments against Tomlin is that he won with Cowher players. Its just stupid. He was the coach, he won, end of discussion. Would you all rather he lost? Just like Cowher was the coach in '92 when he turned it around and in '95 when they went. Who cares whose players they were? I know I was just so happy they were a top team again under Cowher and they won it in '08 with Tomlin it never dawned on me to make such an asinine argument.
We don't live in our fears.
Comparing rosters, I count 9, so not many. Dermontti Dawson, John Jackson, Carnell Lake, Greg Lloyd, Ernie Mills, Neil O'Donnell, Jerry Olsavsky (who is still here), Justin Strzelczick, Rod Woodson. Pretty much the whole coaching staff was different.
Nobody says Chuck Noll won his SB's with Bill Nixon's players either. A grand total of 4 from1968 were still on the team in 1974.
Right now we live in our fears so much that their in season address should be camp Crystal lake at 666 elm street, Transylvania in the old amity horror house… until the last few minutes in each half, the offense treats the middle of the field like it’s poisonous, and the defense treats every long distance down like Dan Marino is throwing to Jerry Rice, Lary Fitzgerald and Randy moss behind an all pro line with marshal faulk in the backfield and Tony Gonzalez at TE…
It's not asinine, it's the facts. Tomlin has never come close to duplicating the success he had with the team he inherited.
Until he can prove otherwise, I will always, always, ALWAYS say that he got to his Super Bowls with Cowher's team AND (mostly) staff. 35 players from 2005 were still on the team in 2008 and 17 still there in 2010, along with most of the coaching staff.
Cowher 6 AFCCG's in 15 seasons, won 2, lost 4 with 2 losses to the Cheating Bastiges at the height of Spygate.
Shades 3 AFCCG's in 16 seasons, won 2, lost 1 where Belicheat and Br*dy kicked his *** up and down the field just like they did Cowher.
And if anyone wants to say that Cowher handed off an 8-8 team to Shades, well, okay, the year after Shades won a Super Bowl he went 9-7 so one game better. ****ing awesome, greatest coach everrrrr.....
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Shades and I don't think he's a bad coach. I think he goes 100% every week and tries to win every game the best he can. Just that his best is about 10-11 wins a year and a wild card playoff loss now that the team has been all his. It's simply as good as he knows how to be. We've had 16 years to observe.
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lol you are right it wasnt a serious question
Ron...let's say you and I are trout fishing. You are catching them on a fly you tied, I'm not catching anything. You give me one of the flies you tied and I start catching fish. Are those fish your catches?
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it wasnt a real question.
I think fishing has very little to do with the operator of the fishing rod and everything to do with the bait.
That's great. I hate that argument so much you got me. I glazed over and I didn't realize.
Haha...sometimes true, but none the less, would you count them as your catches?
Sometimes though its how you read the water and handle the situations that makes the difference between catching or not. Probably makes a difference also in an 8-8 team that 2 years later is a Super Bowl champ.
The point is it was Tomlin that hit the right buttons that year to make them champs. He deserves the credit. Now, does that mean he should have a lifetime job? Absolutely not.