What does it mean then?
Colbert or Tomlin whoever has the final say needs to go
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What does it mean then?
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Does Barry Tomlin or Mike Switzer ring any bells?
Jimmy Johnson won at both levels............hes an exceptional coach............Barry Switzer didnt **** up what Jimmy built...but Barry proved he could coach at Oklahoma (he won at an 80% clip....he was good enough) I never said it was impossible, but its not EASY like you suggest. Ill ask you this though...what available coach out there would be the hire to lead this team to immediate championship success............? Atlanta for example, if they hire Rex Ryan, whats the likelihood they still meet futility ? Is him being hired a lock for success ? Why or why not ?
I get it..you refuse to give Tomlin any credit..........anything thats been accomplished post-Cowher is credited to Cowher, STILL. But theres a lotta folks that would disagree with you. A lot.
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And who was the coach during that era ? If they had fired him whats the chances of this being SIXBURGH ?
Brady's been in his prime for awhile now and the Pats are 4-6 in their last 10 postseason games.
and they have the bestest ever coach in all of sports history.
interesting.
and they have the bestest ever coach in all of sports history.
interesting.
Do you think only the Steelers go through a transition, injuries, turnover? Have the Patriots, Colts, Broncos, 49ers, Cowboys, etc. not gone through a transition recently? Have they not lost players? Have they not had injuries? Always excuses!!!!!
What you fail to grasp is the fact that, after Ben retires, we may not get a franchise QB in another 20 years. They don't grow in trees. Tomlin has had (and wasted) Ben his whole tenure as a HC. Not many coaches have that luxury. Of the examples you quoted before, only the Turner/Rivers comes close to be relevant in this discussion.
Again, get this, what will happened after Ben retires? Do you trust the genius of Tomlin/Colbert to draft the next franchise QB? How many Kordells will we have to go through to find the next Ben?
All those teams won a lʍoq ɹǝdnS recently??? Having a franchise QB is a BIG part of the equation but its not the ONLY part of the equation. Still takes a great team to put it all togther and win it all.
He's better than what they have, I'm not a Tomlin hater, nor an apologist.
Noll was hired in 69, so three of those seasons were his, but he had to almost go through an entire roster turnover.
Don Shula was a terrible HC. Look how he wasted Marino. Peyton only has one ring, so all of his HCs had to have been terrible. Same with Rodgers, Brees and a bunch of other franchise QBs throughout history. The point is that having a "Franchise" QB guarantees you absolutely nothing in terms of Super Bowls. It's not a golden ticket that guarantees your team a dynasty for a decade and a half.
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How has it been a WASTE of Bens years...****, he's coached Bens era to TWO more Super Bowls..............i could see if he hadnt BEEN to anymore since takin over for Cowher but the fact the Tomlin/Ben tandem went TWO MORE TIMES (since 2007) ?
Ohh i know how difficult it is to find a franchise QB.....theyre very rare............how many coaches can win with a Blake Bortles, Gino Smith or a Teddy Bridgewater ? Its hard......but just because you have a franchise QB doesnt guarantee constant or instant success. The games biggest names arent winning titles every year (Manning/Brady/Brees/Rodgers)
Rodgers is 5-4 in the playoffs with three, one and dones and he's the greatest QB ever who can put his team on his back and carry them, so were all told.
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I don't think anyone said that, genius
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There really is no arguing that the quality of our team talent has dipped mightily since 2008-10. The question is, how much of that is on the Tomlin regime and how much is natural regression? It's definitely both. Tomlin's not the worst coach in history (merely a crappy one) and natural regression isn't the only entity to blame.
Can't fault the regime for retirements (Hines, Aaron, Hampton, Farrior, etc.) or age (Troy, Ike, Heath) or injuries, but you can fault them for replacing those guys poorly.
Can't fault the regime for retirements (Hines, Aaron, Hampton, Farrior, etc.) or age (Troy, Ike, Heath) or injuries, but you can fault them for replacing those guys poorly.
Oh hey Idioteue, welcome back. I see you didn't post at all during the 4 game win streak (what possibly could you even have to talk about if you can't bash Tomlin) but I knew you'd show up again eventually. But to answers your question, hmm.. The offense was ranked almost #1 so no problems there. They did a great job bringing in talent on that side. So it has to be defense that's the problem. Well, you can say our rookies havnt panned out yet or you can say they just aren't catching on to the scheme (Lebeau). Its too early to say the players on defense are a bust especially if the scheme is too complicated like everyone says of Lebeau. It took 4 years for Timmons to catch on. Maybe get a new defensive coordinator and simplify everything and we might have a better defense.
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It doesnt have to be SAID verbatim...but its INSINUATED repeatedly
Let me ask you ..honestly, is the arrow pointin up or down with this team ?
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Nothing was implied. I stated that I didn't credit Tomlin with 100% of the short-lived turnaround. You blew that up into "Tomlin gets no credit." That's on you, not me.
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Yeah. We lost a family friend (wife's family, actually) and have been helping them out. That plus work and I've been on and off of little stuff like this board.
I apologize for not checking in on time for Fandom Check (though it's cool/weird that you're tracking the post frequency of strangers on the internet). And to bow to the Overlords who recognize the brilliance of Mike Tomlin, in the wake of yet another mammoth achievement: losing yet another winnable playoff game at home. It's so exciting, "having" to answer to other fans of my team when they win, all because I had the sheer GALL to question He Who Is Tomlin.
In other words, I like how we're on opposite sides of the "Steeler fan" fence. Good thing we have all these psychological fan categories now.
Really? Yeah, our offense is consistently dominant. Never bogs down, nothing. 15 pts against a secondary stuck together with tape. Thoroughly out coached and outplayed across the board, as usual. No depth behind Bell. Totally reliant on how pinpoint Ben is every week. None of that matters! They finished #1 in yards, so they're flawless.
These sound like a lot of nice ways of saying "We have ****** players at most key defensive positions."
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The arrow is pointing up. Didn't end the way we wanted but its pointing up.Talented offense with some pieces in place on defense. This draft and maybe maybe some pieces added from free agency on the defensive side.
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The arrow will be pointing down after next year when we actually play a tough schedule and the better QBs we completely avoided this year. Tomlin again was exposed in the playoff game for his awful game planning, poor game day coaching, his total inability to make in game adjustments and panicking by starting a RV with no grip on the playbook which set the bad tone for the game.
You act like it is easy to replace special players. If it was, the Steelers would have about 25 championships because ****, they could've just easily replaced those guys from the 70s. It is hard to replace special players. Rare is a situation like Green Bay, for example, where they go right from Favre to Rodgers.
I still think a lot of it is luck. It isn't like they haven't tried. In some cases, it has worked out. Brown for Ward, Bell for Bettis, in others, not so much. Jarvis Jones.
But hell, I'm not married to Tomlin though. If they brought in somebody else, that would be fine with me. Maybe just a different perspective. But it will be hard for anybody to replace some of the special talent the Steelers had.
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It's a bunch of bullshit this " a team in transition" the guys on the field are their guys I.e. Managements. There are 6 number one or number two picks in the from seven we heard Tomlin stand there and say how good ziggy hood, saying how they " stold Javis jones". The kept Cortez let Lewis go signed Cortez to big contract. The coaches need to own this mess. And it is a mess. Losing to Tampa getting rag dolled by the Ravens no playoff wins in 4 year even though we have a hundred million dollars qb.
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Fair answer. But to the bolded: Seeing as Mr. Tomlin just completed his 8th season as head coach, might it also be fair if others feel that it's time to consider at least giving someone else a shot at making this a team with a healthy share of "special" players again? I mean, this is not Coach Tomlin's 2nd yr, he has been in Pittsburgh almost a decade now. Of course it wont be easy to re-create a championship-level culture, it wasnt easy for even the great ones. But thats no reason to avoid seeking out a possible alternative when it becomes apparent that the team no longer maintains its position among the more exemplary teams in the league
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People keep saying the arrow is pointing up like we're going to win more than 11 games next season.
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