Colbert or Tomlin whoever has the final say needs to go

[Coryea]

personel wise, Ben was already here. I agree with bell over parker, Brown had an amazing year, but we threw the ball over 600 times, i'll take AB over Holmes, but I can't take him over ward, ward put up 1000 yard, double digit td seasons without a franchise qb. I'll take Holmes over wheaton and bryant as of right now.
I like Pouncey and his best is better than Hartings best, but pouncey is inconsistant, hartings was very consistant. as a whole the Oline then was better than what we have now.

I'm not just talking about stats, i'm talking about having better players, Tomlin has been here 8 seasons and there are only a couple players that are better than what was here when he took over. Parker rushed for 1494 yards and 13TD's in 2006, I doubt many would say he's a better running back than Bell?

Before i get labeled a Tomlin hater, I think Tomlin is a good coach, but he sucks in talent evaluation and in game adjustments.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

personel wise, Ben was already here. I agree with bell over parker, Brown had an amazing year, but we threw the ball over 600 times, i'll take AB over Holmes, but I can't take him over ward, ward put up 1000 yard, double digit td seasons without a franchise qb. I'll take Holmes over wheaton and bryant as of right now.
I like Pouncey and his best is better than Hartings best, but pouncey is inconsistant, hartings was very consistant. as a whole the Oline then was better than what we have now.

I'm not just talking about stats, i'm talking about having better players, Tomlin has been here 8 seasons and there are only a couple players that are better than what was here when he took over. Parker rushed for 1494 yards and 13TD's in 2006, I doubt many would say he's a better running back than Bell?

Before i get labeled a Tomlin hater, I think Tomlin is a good coach, but he sucks in talent evaluation and in game adjustments.

I'm not much into labels. You raise good points. Much of this is opinion based stuff, except for the glaring deficiencies on defense. No one could look at our secondary and say it's good or adequate. Actually, I think it's the worst it's been since the Charred Scott and Washington days. I haven't seen this team with a lack of pressure like this since the 80's.

 

[blitzburghv5]

Tomlin is a poor coach he losing to Tebow and getting hammered by 13 at home by the Rats is his legacy, that is not picking and choosing that is 4 years without a playoff win and counting. Next year we will miss the playoff when we actually play a tough schedule so I am sure you will point to Cowher missing the playoffs for 3 years without Ben as evidence that Tomlin is competent.

We are done winning championships with Tomlin, enjoy, the mediocrity.

Youre highlighting specific loses to try and validate him being a bad coach...no one in the media or actually thats IN THE GAME OF FOOTBALL agrees with you. Bad coaches dont accrue a winning pct like Tomlin...you want to hear the name of some bad coaches in the NFL ill give you

Marc Trestman
David Shula
Romeo Crennel
June Jones
Marty Mohrningweg
Rod Marinelli
Lane Kiffin
Mike Tice

Those are poor coaches, horrible coaches.....

Your analysis is greatly flawed...Tomlin aint the best coach, but hes helluva lot better than some of the others. Theres only three, maybe four active head coaches with a better winning pct (based on a minimum of 5 seasons coached).

 

[deljzc]

There is no coincidence that two straight draft classes (2008 and 2009) that resulted in NO players still on the roster 5 seasons later, happen right before a 4-year stretch of no playoff wins.

It all goes hand-in-hand.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Edit: Timmons v. Farrior is a dead heat statistically.

Farrior was once a DPOY candidate and the clear leader of the defense. I like Timmons, but sorry, not even close to what Farrior meant to this team.

 

[Walter]

Youre highlighting specific loses to try and validate him being a bad coach...no one in the media or actually thats IN THE GAME OF FOOTBALL agrees with you. Bad coaches dont accrue a winning pct like Tomlin...you want to hear the name of some bad coaches in the NFL ill give you

Marc Trestman
David Shula
Romeo Crennel
June Jones
Marty Mohrningweg
Rod Marinelli
Lane Kiffin
Mike Tice

Those are poor coaches, horrible coaches.....

Your analysis is greatly flawed...Tomlin aint the best coach, but hes helluva lot better than some of the others. Theres only three, maybe four active head coaches with a better winning pct (based on a minimum of 5 seasons coached).

None of those coaches were handed a Super Bowl winning team, franchise QB and HOH DC. Imagine if the poor Tomlin was handed those rosters, no one would remember his name today he would be a WR coach somewhere.

You keep stupidly pumping up Tomlin and saying I am wrong. Unfortunately for you you are wrong. The record speaks for itself, no playoff wins in 4 years, getting humiliated by Tebow and getting hammered by the Rats at home is his legacy. He is Barry Switzer 2.0, enjoy the continued mediocrity, losing to the horrible dregs every year and the tired blathering he does instead of actually coaching.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Why do you keep coming back?? Seriously.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Farrior was once a DPOY candidate and the clear leader of the defense. I like Timmons, but sorry, not even close to what Farrior meant to this team.

Farrior had superior talent around him. IMO, Timmons means more to this particular version of the Steelers

 

[Drink IRON City]

Farrior had superior talent around him. IMO, Timmons means more to this particular version of the Steelers

Agreed, Farrior had WAY superior talent around him. By far. Timmons means More to this team as lose him, you cripple, farrior is lost, not nearly as big a hole. The talent around the individule player (timmons / farrior) can't / would respectively make up for the lost player. Kapish


Salute the nation

 

[Coryea]

Lambert had superior talent around him, so Timmons compares to him?
Farrior was the better player, that doesn't mean Timmons is a bum, Timmons has turned into a damn good player, but Farrior was the better all around player

 

[Idioteque]

Timmons is almost as good as Farrior

Oh Jesus Christ.

**** like this, man,

 

[Omar10213245]

Oh Jesus Christ.

**** like this, man,

Lol how quickly people forget....

 

[Omar10213245]

Farrior had superior talent around him. IMO, Timmons means more to this particular version of the Steelers

Well yeah, this defense sucks in multiple areas, so to say he "means more" doesnt mean all that much to me. If we could somehow time-travel and bring 2005 farrior to the present day, to play on this version of the Pittsburgh D, he would be far more valuable to the defense, it wouldn't be close. Even being surrounded by better talent, Farrior is still the better ILB, he's part of that "better talent"

 

[Idioteque]

Lol how quickly people forget....

Farrior v. Tiimmons is an insult to Farrior. Anyone who watched Timmons routinely get shaken downfield by [insert random TE here] knows this. Anyone who watches him wander out of his spot or get washed out of the play as often as he does knows this.

 

[SteelChip]

There is no coincidence that two straight draft classes (2008 and 2009) that resulted in NO players still on the roster 5 seasons later, happen right before a 4-year stretch of no playoff wins.

It all goes hand-in-hand.

IMO some of that comes from my pet peeve Del. Over the years I have been bitchin' about the lack of playing time the youngin's got. The excuse was, "well the 'system' is so complicated that it takes them years to learn it" or "the starter in that position is too valuable to take out of the game".

I saw an article today that finally agreed with me and not too soon because I'm startin' to get a phobia about this ****. This fan posted a blog that hit my ***** square on the head.

Consider:

• The cornerback position was locked in to the tenured veterans – Ike, Allen and Gay – until Ike’s injury and the unsuccessfully long period of trying to get Allen over the hump. It was not until injuries forced each out that McCain and Blake got sufficient opportunity to get snaps and show their game capability, despite Lebeau and Lake’s early claims that they were surprisingly good.

• Harrison’s return totally overrode Jarvis Jones’ opportunity to get snaps and develop. Now Jones is going into his 3rd season without us really knowing if there is legitimate potential there.

• Shamarko Thomas played less defense this year than last, none in the second half of the season. Meanwhile we had a slower Polamalu, a veteran Allen and the beloved Mike Mitchell getting all the snaps. ( a major head scratcher for me ! )

• Stephan Tuitt needed playing time to show he had what it takes but was overshadowed most of the season until DL injuries and Cam Thomas’ ineptness became impossible to ignore.

• Martavis Bryant was on the practice squad while veterans Lance Moore and Darrius Heyward-Bay played along with eventual 2nd year bust Justin Brown. Bryant only rose up when the 4th and 5th receiver positions were so obviously lacking that J. Brown was pushed out to make way.

• A fading Heath Miller was backed up by Matt Spaeth and Michael Palmer. Leaving Rob Blanchflower on the practice squad with zero playing experience.

This strikes me as a combination of over-caution and desperation all at the same time. It shows that there is not an effective strategy to develop the young backups on the team. In most cases it’s practice and special teams only, or out of desperation they’re thrown in to take most of the snaps (LB and RB). This approach has delayed most young player’s development until late in their rookie contract, resulting in the Keenan Lewis’, Jason Worilds’ and Young Money receivers leaving for more money before really allowing the team to benefit from 3 years of coaching and training investment. It also delays clarity on team draft priorities, since not much is known about their game capability until after its too late. And for each game it provides no pathway for the "Next Man Up" to be ready in case of injuries.
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...the-steeler-coaching-staff-need-a-3-year-plan

Well,,,at least one person agrees with me, now I can at least pull the 'dumbass' sticker off my forehead...OK maybe not but at least I'm not alone.

 

[Supersteeler]

Anyone who watched Timmons routinely get shaken downfield by [insert random TE here] knows this. Anyone who watches him wander out of his spot or get washed out of the play as often as he does knows this.

Apparently the Pro Bowl committee has never watched him. When was that draft, 6 years ago? Time to let it go and move on. It's ok to be wrong once in awhile. It happens to everyone.

 

[Idioteque]

Apparently the Pro Bowl committee has never watched him. When was that draft, 6 years ago? Time to let it go and move on. It's ok to be wrong once in awhile. It happens to everyone.

Sadly, the Pro Bowl has no "committee" that chooses players. They're chosen by fans, players, and coaches. Hence, Michael Vick went to four of them.

Idiot.

You're right, though; Timmons = Farrior. There's no middle ground.

You're still on the clock BTW to come up with support for your statement on Page 1 of this thread. You've dodged it since I asked for an example or two to support your allegation.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Key word is ALMOST as good. No one said as good or better. The word was ALMOST.

 

[Superman]

the last time the definition of a word was discussed on this board, "until" went damn near 300 pages.

 

[Supersteeler]

Sadly, the Pro Bowl has no "committee" that chooses players. They're chosen by fans, players, and coaches. Hence, Michael Vick went to four of them.

Idiot.

You're right, though; Timmons = Farrior. There's no middle ground.

You're still on the clock BTW to come up with support for your statement on Page 1 of this thread. You've dodged it since I asked for an example or two to support your allegation.

Firstly, that sounds to me like it constitutes a committee since it is a body of people that make their choice.

Secondly, that schtick is soooo tired. Ok, I'm gonna play Idiot's game now and give you a taste of your own medicine. Ready? Show me where in the history of this message board have I EVER said "Lawrence Timmons is every bit as good as James Farrior". Go ahead and I'll wait. Also while your at it show me where I EVER said these words "In my mind based on what I see, Timmons is a very good player."...or how about "It is my honest opinion that Timmons was the correct draft pick." Go ahead and hunt it down.

Just a reminder...If you can't find those PRECISE words, you are wrong and I will deny it. And there had better not be one vowel, consonant or conjunction that differs in any way whatsoever from what I have ordered you to find. It has to be that identical statement or it never happened. So why don't you spend the next 24 hours searching a message board trying to come up with it? While you are at it, you should probably try to locate the old board in case it was on there and search that one in it's entirety. That should take you until sometime in February or March. If you wish to meet your own challenge you need to find it.

This game is fun huh? Just thought you would like to try it out for once and see what it's like for everyone else when you go into Politician Schtick mode. Happy hunting! Try to pin down the elusive whirling dervish Idiotique! You'll never get me!

Now it is you, sir...who has been put on the clock. Tick....tick...tick.

 

[slashsteel]

There is no coincidence that two straight draft classes (2008 and 2009) that resulted in NO players still on the roster 5 seasons later, happen right before a 4-year stretch of no playoff wins.

It all goes hand-in-hand.

at least New England would see a hole and go out and legitimately try to fix it in free agency.......

which is the area the FO has to change up to be successful again.

Farrior / Bettis / Kevin Greene / was proven talent

not one years / or no year of production on their stat sheet

the trend of bottom feeding talent and hoping for the best has to be adjusted.

Even if its one or two players coming in it is better than throwing a pile of **** against the wall and hoping something sticks........

 

[Idioteque]

Firstly, that sounds to me like it constitutes a committee since it is a body of people that make their choice.

Yes, the same "committee" (in the loosest possible sense of the term) that voted Vick to start in 4 Pro Bowls and made Ray Lewis the AFC's starting MLB for about 8 years beyond his effectiveness.

Go look at the Pro Bowl roster and tell me THAT'S the measure we should use to determine effectiveness.

Secondly, that schtick is soooo tired. Ok, I'm gonna play Idiot's game now and give you a taste of your own medicine. Ready? Show me where in the history of this message board have I EVER said "Lawrence Timmons is every bit as good as James Farrior". Go ahead and I'll wait. Also while your at it show me where I EVER said these words "In my mind based on what I see, Timmons is a very good player."...or how about "It is my honest opinion that Timmons was the correct draft pick." Go ahead and hunt it down.

1. I complained that Farrior was being compared to Timmons. Never once did I say he sucked, aside from pointing out the FACTS that he's useless in coverage and gets blown up often.

2. You whined that I was ******** on Timmons, twisting it into "You've hated him since the draft!" and psychobabbly bullshit about "You just WANT him to suck!"

It's not difficult to make that connection. Now, since you were asked pages and pages ago to back up your stupid, wild allegation.. any progress yet? I didn't ask for exact quoting, merely a topic or thread or one goddamned post in which it's happened. Though I'd also love to see some degree in advanced psychology that qualifies you to determine the thought processes and mindsets of anonymous internet posters on a Steelers message board.

Just a reminder...If you can't find those PRECISE words, you are wrong and I will deny it. And there had better not be one vowel, consonant or conjunction that differs in any way whatsoever from what I have ordered you to find. It has to be that identical statement or it never happened.

You've seen me do this, too, right? Any examples of THIS?

It's almost like making stupid, wild allegations without support is a POOR choice. Whodathunkit?

 

[Idioteque]

Key word is ALMOST as good. No one said as good or better. The word was ALMOST.

To each his own, but I just don't see how you could be on board with this, unless you're using Pro Bowls as your measuring stick. He's worse against the run and worse against the pass. I guess you could say Earl Holmes was almost as good as Farrior, too.

 

[Supersteeler]

Yes, the same "committee" (in the loosest possible sense of the term) that voted Vick to start in 4 Pro Bowls and made Ray Lewis the AFC's starting MLB for about 8 years beyond his effectiveness.

Go look at the Pro Bowl roster and tell me THAT'S the measure we should use to determine effectiveness.



1. I complained that Farrior was being compared to Timmons. Never once did I say he sucked, aside from pointing out the FACTS that he's useless in coverage and gets blown up often.

2. You whined that I was ******** on Timmons, twisting it into "You've hated him since the draft!" and psychobabbly bullshit about "You just WANT him to suck!"

It's not difficult to make that connection. Now, since you were asked pages and pages ago to back up your stupid, wild allegation.. any progress yet? I didn't ask for exact quoting, merely a topic or thread or one goddamned post in which it's happened. Though I'd also love to see some degree in advanced psychology that qualifies you to determine the thought processes and mindsets of anonymous internet posters on a Steelers message board.



You've seen me do this, too, right? Any examples of THIS?

It's almost like making stupid, wild allegations without support is a POOR choice. Whodathunkit?

Ummm, you are wasting valuable time that could be dedicated to searching. Tick,tick, tick.....I'm waiting.

 

[Idioteque]

Ummm, you are wasting valuable time that could be dedicated to searching. Tick,tick, tick.....I'm waiting.

I answered your question in the previous post.

You've been dodging mine since Page One.