Colbert or Tomlin whoever has the final say needs to go

[thesteelcity]

Venting is one thing but this place is ridiculous....there is a reason I'm a FNG on this board....I have a hard time dealing with the carp spewed by so called Steelers fans...True fans will continue to stay optimistic particularly in a environment where the team is competitive...I lived through the 80's and the late 90's and 2000...If we get to that point then I will be a little more understanding of it but not in the current situation...

so, at what point did it get to you? "Trade Ben" thread ,"Replace GM/HC/OC/DC/ARII" thread or "What bridge in Pittsburgh is the most suitable for jumping" thread?

 

[slashsteel]

so, at what point did it get to you? "Trade Ben" thread ,"Replace GM/HC/OC/DC/ARII" thread or "What bridge in Pittsburgh is the most suitable for jumping" thread?

Roberto Clemente is a nice view you can see into PNC Park


whoooooooooooooooooweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee that would be a nice one to jump from



plus I hear some crazy peeps have jumped off that bridge and lived

heeheehaw

hi

 

[Acereros]

Personally, I'd like to see them ask DL to retire. Not because he isn't still a good DC, but because I think he's to rigid with his defensive philosophies. Anyone playing the Steelers can pretty much know what to expect as DL has done the same thing no matter what for years. Continuing with the defense, if it's not cap prohibitive, Mitchell, Cam Thomas, Troy and Ike need to go and they (scouts) better have been looking for replacements throughout the season. Oh, and the OLB position is a mess. In reality the major changes need to come on this side of the ball in terms of personnel and/or philosophy.

HC - Does Tomlin have 1 year left on his contract? If it's only one, I'm not sure I extend him before the season. I want to see what type of moves he advocates to fix the defense. I want to see if he keeps DL around and if so what they can present that makes me feel somewhat secure that they know what they need to fix in order to compete in today's nfl. i.e. "What's the plan Mike?".

Offense - Draft an OT, Gilbert sucks and Adams is worse. Get me Heath's replacement. He's been a warrior for this team, but the end is near.

Scouting: They may want to do a complete evaluation of their scouting department to see if they are actually scouting NFL players too. Because this year's crop of FAs were terrible.

Those are places I'd start.

What about you? Do have any ideas?

I like those ideas.

I personally would get rid of Tomlin and Colbert. Things have not been working well with this pair in charge, we've wasted Ben's prime and will not get those years back. I would actually considered promoting Khan to General Manager, either that or he will be eventually hired for the same position by another team. With regards to the HC position, one of my candidates would be Munchak, he's done a great job with the OL and has some experience in the position.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I like those ideas.

I personally would get rid of Tomlin and Colbert. Things have not been working well with this pair in charge, we've wasted Ben's prime and will not get those years back. I would actually considered promoting Khan to General Manager, either that or he will be eventually hired for the same position by another team. With regards to the HC position, one of my candidates would be Munchak, he's done a great job with the OL and has some experience in the position.

I'm not for or against getting rid of Tomlin. The thing is that if you get rid of him, you have to replace him with someone who is definitely an upgrade. I'm not sure Munchak is that guy. I'd hope they would conduct an extensive search. With Khan I believe part of the reason he has not been hired as a GM in the past is that he's a "money" guy and not a "football" guy. How much input has he had on personnel here? If you promote him an he doesn't know what he's doing as far as drafting, you run the risk of years of mistakes worse than '08 and '09.

 

[blitzburghv5]

I like those ideas.

I personally would get rid of Tomlin and Colbert. Things have not been working well with this pair in charge, we've wasted Ben's prime and will not get those years back. I would actually considered promoting Khan to General Manager, either that or he will be eventually hired for the same position by another team. With regards to the HC position, one of my candidates would be Munchak, he's done a great job with the OL and has some experience in the position.

Munchak is garbage as a head coach..he lost TWICE as many games as he won...why would you even CONSIDER goin that route.....theres no potential there......thats like signing a QB that has a QB rating of 35 over 4 seasons....a real head scratcher even to the non-fan

 

[FAB802]

I'll deal with reality. None of the coaches, Tomlin, LeBeau or Haley are going anywhere barring one of them getting a HC job or leaving voluntarily. Colbert in all likelihood isn't either. Whatever evaluation they have been using for defensive players needs to be looked into and changed. I don't know who our scouts even are, but a good majority of the defenders we've picked have taken an unGodly amount of time to contribute. Some of that is the supposed hard to learn defense too and injuries.

With possibly having Ike, Worilds and a couple others coming off the books they are in a position to go after a real impact CB or pass rusher in FA. The build through the draft alone and plug holes with journeymen thing doesn't work. If they don't get one of those two things then it will be more of the same next year on defense. Tweaking the line on offense and getting a young TE to groom are the priority and a back up RB who understands they are getting five touches or so a game. This team isn't in nearly the dire straits we think they are if the people in charge do their jobs properly from Tomlin to everyone above him.

 

[Acereros]

Munchak is garbage as a head coach..he lost TWICE as many games as he won...why would you even CONSIDER goin that route.....theres no potential there......thats like signing a QB that has a QB rating of 35 over 4 seasons....a real head scratcher even to the non-fan

Have you heard of second chances? Once upon a time, there was a HC of the Cleveland Browns that had a horrible record............

Besides, what is Tomlin's record against Munchak when he was in charge of the Titans?

 

[Acereros]

If I was a betting man I would have won a **** load of money predicting this thread......Pitiful that so many of the members here constantly want to play the blame game....thank GOD none of you run the Steelers organization....The Steelers haven't had a losing season since 2006 and still we complain...If you don't like the Steelers do things then root for someone else...to be upset with the loss is one thing but some of you take it too far....

If you don't like what you read on this board, then read another one where all is ra, ra, ra, ra,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[obxsteeler]

I'm not for or against getting rid of Tomlin. The thing is that if you get rid of him, you have to replace him with someone who is definitely an upgrade. I'm not sure Munchak is that guy. I'd hope they would conduct an extensive search. With Khan I believe part of the reason he has not been hired as a GM in the past is that he's a "money" guy and not a "football" guy. How much input has he had on personnel here? If you promote him an he doesn't know what he's doing as far as drafting, you run the risk of years of mistakes worse than '08 and '09.

There are a number of NFL teams now doing "extensive searches for coaching upgrades". My guess is they all would pick Tomlin if he was available.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

There are a number of NFL teams now doing "extensive searches for coaching upgrades". My guess is they all would pick Tomlin if he was available.

And I wouldn't dispute that assumption. My point was that you don't just make the change to make the change. You sure better get someone who is a definite upgrade. Along those lines, Belicheat ain't leaving NE and other than him and possibly Carroll who could you say is "definitely" an upgrade? I mean if you want to replace him with the "hottest" new "flavor of the month" guy who has shown he's a coaching genius by lifting up a down trodden team, you get ..... Bruce Arians. LOL

Someone will most definitely throw out the name of this or that hot shot college coach. Has he coached in the NFL before? What makes you think he "CAN" coach in the NFL? And why is he a better NFL HC than Tomlin?

A whole lot of factors to think about before you decide to fire the guy. And truthfully, we all know it ain't happening.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Have you heard of second chances? Once upon a time, there was a HC of the Cleveland Browns that had a horrible record............

Besides, what is Tomlin's record against Munchak when he was in charge of the Titans?

So- you would get rid of Tomlin, who has a stellar record, for Munchak- because despite his failures, there MAY be a competent coach his second time around?!

 

[deljzc]

No one is going to get fired after 11-5 and a division title.

We had an opportunity to make a change last off-season and the Rooney's decided not to do anything.

The big question now is whether Tomlin gets his contract extension.

 

[Spike]

No one is going to get fired after 11-5 and a division title.

We had an opportunity to make a change last off-season and the Rooney's decided not to do anything.

truth

The big question now is whether Tomlin gets his contract extension.

and Ben

 

[Acereros]

There are a number of NFL teams now doing "extensive searches for coaching upgrades". My guess is they all would pick Tomlin if he was available.

When you put Tomlin + coaching upgrades in the same sentence, you're limiting the scoop greatly. Teams like the Browns, Raiders, Jacksonville or ony other teams that never make the play-offs would take Tomlin.

Teams that want to win in the playoffs would not come any where near him.

 

[deljzc]

Ben's going to get his contract extension or the communication is going to break down and we'll make him play it out and franchise him in 2016.

There is no way Ben isn't under center in 2015. It's just whether he's Joe Flacco happy or whether he's Alan Faneca pissed.

 

[blitzburghv5]

Have you heard of second chances? Once upon a time, there was a HC of the Cleveland Browns that had a horrible record............

Besides, what is Tomlin's record against Munchak when he was in charge of the Titans?

That head coach had the fortunes of a Tom Brady fall into his lap too................He should be sending Christmas cards yearly to Marvin Jones (for de-boning Bledsoe's sternum plate). EJ Manuel, Ryan Tannehill and Geno Smith............what a competitive QB fraternity out east. At least Tomlin plays against QBs that either made Pro Bowls or postseasons and SBs

I do believe in second chances...just not a coach who loses twice the clip he wins....are you ****** kidding me ? If Munchak were a shade above .500 id give it some thought, but with his dismal coaching record..........hell no !!! What owners do you know of that intentionally hire coaches with that dismal of a record ? Most of em go for unproven coaches like Pitt did with Tomlin, Baltimore w Harbaugh or Indy w Pagano. Nobodys knockin down the doors of coaches like Spagnola or Sparano, Haslett or Mike Shula....

We were just crowned divsion champions and now you wanna downgrade ...........i wish i could understand that mindset.

 

[Acereros]

So- you would get rid of Tomlin, who has a stellar record, for Munchak- because despite his failures, there MAY be a competent coach his second time around?!

Tomlin had no achievements before he was hired by the Steelers, Munchak has much better record as a player and assistant coach than Tomlin. You would argue that as a HC his record doesn't compare to that of Tomlin's,but we all know that Tomlin had the stellar record with the team/players he inherited. 2010 was the last year that the Steleers won a playoff game, despite having a franchise QB in his prime. Fortune was kind to Tomlin to have landed him this job, Munchak took over a very mediocre team, just image what would've happened if they landed in the opposite clubs?

 

[blitzburghv5]

When you put Tomlin + coaching upgrades in the same sentence, you're limiting the scoop greatly. Teams like the Browns, Raiders, Jacksonville or ony other teams that never make the play-offs would take Tomlin.

Teams that want to win in the playoffs would not come any where near him.

Id bet you were wrong............look at his winning percentage compared to the league avg............now look at his age and where he stands in comparison to his peers..hes still second YOUNGEST in the league.........hes growing........hes learning still...........

Tomlin was hired for a reason............Tomlin will be extended for a reason...........11-5 with another Divsion crown (his 4th in 8 seasons) to his credit aint gettin him dismissed from any team. Unless that team is Chicago (and how it jugged Lovie--now look at Chicago....i bet they are regrettin that decision)

 

[Idioteque]

That head coach had the fortunes of a Tom Brady fall into his lap too................He should be sending Christmas cards yearly to Marvin Jones (for de-boning Bledsoe's sternum plate).

He did draft Brady, though.

And he/the coaching staff had more to do with Brady's excellence than the other way around.

EJ Manuel, Ryan Tannehill and Geno Smith............what a competitive QB fraternity out east. At least Tomlin plays against QBs that either made Pro Bowls or postseasons and SBs

We pull Flacco, Dalton, and Current Dumpsterfire Browns QB every year.

I do believe in second chances...just not a coach who loses twice the clip he wins....are you ****** kidding me ? If Munchak were a shade above .500 id give it some thought, but with his dismal coaching record..........hell no !!! What owners do you know of that intentionally hire coaches with that dismal of a record ? Most of em go for unproven coaches like Pitt did with Tomlin, Baltimore w Harbaugh or Indy w Pagano. Nobodys knockin down the doors of coaches like Spagnola or Sparano, Haslett or Mike Shula....

We were just crowned divsion champions and now you wanna downgrade ...........i wish i could understand that mindset.

Not all of us give Tomlin all that much credit for the team's turnaround. (Especially when we saw how it ended.) If you truly think that every piece of a successful group is automatically talented and indispensable, JUST because the group is successful. Do you think we should've locked up Darnell Stapleton and Mitch Berger after we won the Cards SB? As though we simply couldn't find a better guard or punter JUST because we won the SB with them?

 

[Acereros]

That head coach had the fortunes of a Tom Brady fall into his lap too................He should be sending Christmas cards yearly to Marvin Jones (for de-boning Bledsoe's sternum plate). EJ Manuel, Ryan Tannehill and Geno Smith............what a competitive QB fraternity out east. At least Tomlin plays against QBs that either made Pro Bowls or postseasons and SBs

I do believe in second chances...just not a coach who loses twice the clip he wins....are you ****** kidding me ? If Munchak were a shade above .500 id give it some thought, but with his dismal coaching record..........hell no !!! What owners do you know of that intentionally hire coaches with that dismal of a record ? Most of em go for unproven coaches like Pitt did with Tomlin, Baltimore w Harbaugh or Indy w Pagano. Nobodys knockin down the doors of coaches like Spagnola or Sparano, Haslett or Mike Shula....

We were just crowned divsion champions and now you wanna downgrade ...........i wish i could understand that mindset.

Well, I'm glad for you, life must be much easier for you than the rest of us who have our expectations higher than yours. You're happy with a HC that hasn't been able to win a play off game in FOUR consecutive years, with a franchise QB in his prime. Has that ever happened before to the Steelers?

 

[blitzburghv5]

Tomlin had no achievements before he was hired by the Steelers, Munchak has much better record as a player and assistant coach than Tomlin. You would argue that as a HC his record doesn't compare to that of Tomlin's,but we all know that Tomlin had the stellar record with the team/players he inherited. 2010 was the last year that the Steleers won a playoff game, despite having a franchise QB in his prime. Fortune was kind to Tomlin to have landed him this job, Munchak took over a very mediocre team, just image what would've happened if they landed in the opposite clubs?

I can name some coaches that had or have franchise QBs and loaded rosters that dont even SNIFF a Superbowl............SD and Norv Turner comes to mind (he had Gates, Rivers, LT, Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd) Mike Smith is another (he had Ryan, Julio, Roddy, Stephen Jackson, Tony Gonzales)...........

In your opinion, is Marvin Lewis a better prospect.....? Whats his issue in Cincy..? He couldnt win with Dalton OR Carson (paired with Housh and Ocho)

So please, stop pretending like Tomlin is a ****** coach...hes not...management doesnt think so, most of the sports pundits dont think so...and many other teams fans dont think so..........only a handful HERE think so...............half of his tenure hes hoisted a a divisional trophy (although you dont wanna give him credit for any SB wins or appearances because in YOUR mind, with this bounty of talent inherited ANYBODY CAN STEP IN A WIN A SB......its really that easy to win at this level ? Ask Saban, Spurrier, Butch Davis--championship collegiate coaches that amounted to what in the NFL ?)

 

[blitzburghv5]

He did draft Brady, though.

And he/the coaching staff had more to do with Brady's excellence than the other way around.



We pull Flacco, Dalton, and Current Dumpsterfire Browns QB every year.

I do believe in second chances...just not a coach who loses twice the clip he wins....are you ****** kidding me ? If Munchak were a shade above .500 id give it some thought, but with his dismal coaching record..........hell no !!! What owners do you know of that intentionally hire coaches with that dismal of a record ? Most of em go for unproven coaches like Pitt did with Tomlin, Baltimore w Harbaugh or Indy w Pagano. Nobodys knockin down the doors of coaches like Spagnola or Sparano, Haslett or Mike Shula....



Not all of us give Tomlin all that much credit for the team's turnaround. (Especially when we saw how it ended.) If you truly think that every piece of a successful group is automatically talented and indispensable, JUST because the group is successful. Do you think we should've locked up Darnell Stapleton and Mitch Berger after we won the Cards SB? As though we simply couldn't find a better guard or punter JUST because we won the SB with them?

So the team won this season IN SPITE of Tomlin but when it lost, it was DUE to Tomlin...............? Okay...i follow that logic....credit him for the losses, but focus elsewhere for the wins.........cool.............im try hard a **** not to laugh............

 

[Acereros]

I can name some coaches that had or have franchise QBs and loaded rosters that dont even SNIFF a Superbowl............SD and Norv Turner comes to mind (he had Gates, Rivers, LT, Vincent Jackson and Malcom Floyd) Mike Smith is another (he had Ryan, Julio, Roddy, Stephen Jackson, Tony Gonzales)...........

In your opinion, is Marvin Lewis a better prospect.....? Whats his issue in Cincy..? He couldnt win with Dalton OR Carson (paired with Housh and Ocho)

So please, stop pretending like Tomlin is a ****** coach...hes not...management doesnt think so, most of the sports pundits dont think so...and many other teams fans dont think so..........only a handful HERE think so...............half of his tenure hes hoisted a a divisional trophy (although you dont wanna give him credit for any SB wins or appearances because in YOUR mind, with this bounty of talent inherited ANYBODY CAN STEP IN A WIN A SB......its really that easy to win at this level ? Ask Saban, Spurrier, Butch Davis--championship collegiate coaches that amounted to what in the NFL ?)

Does Barry Tomlin or Mike Switzer ring any bells?

 

[blitzburghv5]

Well, I'm glad for you, life must be much easier for you than the rest of us who have our expectations higher than yours. You're happy with a HC that hasn't been able to win a play off game in FOUR consecutive years, with a franchise QB in his prime. Has that ever happened before to the Steelers?

Do you HONESTLY believe with transition in new players, roster turnover, injuries etc that any team can keep churning out division winners and SB contenders yearly ? If you do, youre dreaming. How many other Frachise QBs in their prime arent gettin close to the SB.............Rivers ?..........Matty Ryan ?

Ive been a realist when it comes to this team....i UNDERSTOOD it was in transition and dealing with injuries the past couple years....but we were always in the hunt both years we MISSED the postseason...it always came down to a game...........this year, we made it over that hump EVEN in spite of a dismal showingn by this defense (which is still an unfinished product), won the division, but lost our MVP in the FINAL regular season game. I didnt EXPECT a SB this year......i knew this defense had too many flaws and i didnt think we could win a shootout w Ben having to play mistake-free while the defense gave up 30+ points. Three wins better than last year..........a division title ? Ill ****** take it for now............next year, ill expect a deeper run in the Playoffs and IF...if this defense fills the passrush void and grooms a DB in the process, then ill expect to be serious SB contenders......until then, ill enjoy the maturity and growth from players AND coaches and hope for the best, while watchin other franchises make knee-jerk transactions, change coaches and continue the cycle of underachieving.

*apparently this most recent success means nothin to you #shrugs............is the arrow pointing UP or Down with this team ? Which is it ?

 

[Coryea]

If Tomlin were available, of course teams would want him, Browns, all but NE in the AFC east, Raiders and Chargers in the AFC west, all but GB in the NFC North, Tampa and Atlanta in the NFC south, Rams and SF in the NFC west, Washington in the NFC east. That doesn't mean he's a really good coach though, it doesn't mean he isn't.
I will say this, the last time the Steelers went five seasons without a playoff win was 1967 to 1972