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Thats because "black jobs" implies jobs relegated to black people, which in turn implies menial labor.
Without watching that garbage, I'm pretty sure Trump due to his inability to articulate properly meant black "employment".

Thats is the kind of stuff the media and liberals run with. It proves Trump is a racist.

A blast from the past quote by slick Bill.

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RFK will hurt Joe but could save the Dems down ballot. I think there will be a lot of Dems who will not vote Joe but can't bring themselves to vote Trump. Many may just stay home, but I'd bet a bunch of them will show up to vote RFK as a protest vote. If they show up, they will vote Dem in the down ballot for Senate and Rep. If they don't show up then it could be a red wave because Republicans will have a high turnout.
There was supposed to be a red wave a few years ago that didn’t pan out. The younger voters are going to swing blue imo.

I just aint seeing it. Politics in general need fresh faces
 
Two conclusions after watching the debate.
1) One candidate cannot formulate a truthful sentence.
2) The other candidate cannot formulate a coherent sentence.

If you do not think the world is watching and laughing, you are sadly mistaken.
In a country of approximately 130 million people over age 35 but under age 70, THESE are the two best candidates?
GTFOH!
Make no mistake, we're not making any relevant choice if we vote for either of these two.
The square wheel vs the flat tire.
Coke or Pepsi are both processed garbage that are horrible for your health.
Two sides of the same coin. two entrances to the same slaughter house.
*sigh*
 
Just taking a step back and looking at this thread of individuals, many of whom I've "known" for over two decades, I see more divisive, disgusting, and even hateful remarks towards one another and I can't help but see this very thread as a microcosm of the soul of this very nation. At what point have we lost all respect for individuality, decency, and a little empathy towards human dignity?

Let's face it, when I'm the voice of reason in this crowd, yinz are f*****.
when Bomma was elected. I'll admit that the guy was silver-tongued and could craft a beautiful picture with his vocabulary, but he was also divisive. That has led to more and more division of this country.

as for the individual(s) of this forum, I've tried to have a conversation with two certain ones with whom I disagree politically - without using profanity or belittling. Which was very difficult due to the absolute incredible amount of willful ignorance both are proud of, as well as the sheer fact that it was obvious neither could absorb even an ounce of knowledge (until one got the WooFloo and spread it despite his own claims that it would be impossible to do so) bestowed upon them. Yet they both would then resort to name-calling, profanity, etc. Tired of their bullshit, I (and others) respond in kind.
 
when Bomma was elected. I'll admit that the guy was silver-tongued and could craft a beautiful picture with his vocabulary, but he was also divisive. That has led to more and more division of this country.

as for the individual(s) of this forum, I've tried to have a conversation with two certain ones with whom I disagree politically - without using profanity or belittling. Which was very difficult due to the absolute incredible amount of willful ignorance both are proud of, as well as the sheer fact that it was obvious neither could absorb even an ounce of knowledge (until one got the WooFloo and spread it despite his own claims that it would be impossible to do so) bestowed upon them. Yet they both would then resort to name-calling, profanity, etc. Tired of their bullshit, I (and others) respond in kind.
Yep, when you resort to labeling, profanity and name calling, your argument is lost.
 
There was supposed to be a red wave a few years ago that didn’t pan out. The younger voters are going to swing blue imo.

I just aint seeing it. Politics in general need fresh faces
I am hoping that Kennedy can make the next debate.

I really like to see how he would handle the interaction with Donald J. and Sleepy Joe..
 
I am hoping that Kennedy can make the next debate.

I really like to see how he would handle the interaction with Donald J. and Sleepy Joe..
I'm surprised that there was a first debate, I'd be shocked if there were a second, unless or course, the D candidate isn't Sleepy.
 
I'm surprised that there was a first debate, I'd be shocked if there were a second, unless or course, the D candidate isn't Sleepy.
It would be next to impossible to defend, the burning of cities, the calling out of the opposition and urging citizens to make life miserable for folks who are not rabid followers of the DNC, vaccine mandates, the **** economy, the worthless dollar which explains the increase in the markets moreso than strong financial numbers, the Afghanistan retreat gone totally wrong, bucks to Iran, the Ukraine debacle, etc. etc. It's definitely a target rich environment. Unfortunately I have no doubt anything is going to change for the better anytime soon... If Trump does manage to win, we're back in store for obstruction, resisting, impeachment trials, etc etc.. Same as it ever was.
 
Democrat Leaders Convince Biden He Already Stepped Down Yesterday
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WASHINGTON, DC — In a clever move to encourage an embattled Biden to relinquish his position, Democrat leaders convinced the President he had already stepped down yesterday.
"There's no shame in bowing out while you're so ahead," Nancy Pelosi told Joe Biden. "You're at the top of your game, Joe. It's great that you agreed to step down and hand over the reins to someone a little more…alive. Thank you for making that decision all on your own…because you did. Remember?"
Democrats spent the better part of Sunday convincing the President that stepping down was his idea and reminding him he said he'd bow out of the election and hand over power to either Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, Michelle Obama, The Monopoly Man, or three members of Hamas stacked on top of each other wearing a trenchcoat but definitely NOT Kamala Harris.

"Yes, I do remember saying all that. That does sound like me," Biden commented to a nearby houseplant. "What are you gonna do about it, little plant boy? Whahtiergohrrrghhh. Biden out."
As of publishing time, Jill Biden could be seen supergluing her husband to the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office and screaming at aides to barricade the doors.
 
Democrat Leaders Convince Biden He Already Stepped Down Yesterday
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WASHINGTON, DC — In a clever move to encourage an embattled Biden to relinquish his position, Democrat leaders convinced the President he had already stepped down yesterday.
"There's no shame in bowing out while you're so ahead," Nancy Pelosi told Joe Biden. "You're at the top of your game, Joe. It's great that you agreed to step down and hand over the reins to someone a little more…alive. Thank you for making that decision all on your own…because you did. Remember?"
Democrats spent the better part of Sunday convincing the President that stepping down was his idea and reminding him he said he'd bow out of the election and hand over power to either Gretchen Whitmer, Gavin Newsom, Michelle Obama, The Monopoly Man, or three members of Hamas stacked on top of each other wearing a trenchcoat but definitely NOT Kamala Harris.

"Yes, I do remember saying all that. That does sound like me," Biden commented to a nearby houseplant. "What are you gonna do about it, little plant boy? Whahtiergohrrrghhh. Biden out."
As of publishing time, Jill Biden could be seen supergluing her husband to the Resolute Desk in the Oval Office and screaming at aides to barricade the doors.
Honestly they could put him the fake Oval Office TV studio that they already have and hire a bunch of actors to pretend they’re working for him. He’d never know.
 
African-Americans worked in construction, particularly drywall, for years prior to illegal immigration flooding the labor market in the 1980's and 1990's. Illegals work for much lower wages and the competition from illegals drove blacks out of that field.

I know this is a difficult concept for a walnut-sized brain, but that is but one specific example of "illegals taking black jobs." If you are too dumb to apply that fact to the workforce as a whole, let me explain it for you: the same happens with other industries, particularly jobs that don't require higher education. Kinda like your job, for example.



Article explaining economic basics to Floggy



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You go, girl! All in for a dementia patient! Whee!! Joe is smaht!!

Well, smarter than you, I guess.
I was a teen over most of this period and I can honestly say - I CANNOT name ONE AA who worked drywall construction. I'm not saying that there were not any or even many, but, this seems like quite a blanket statement...

Oh, you need to apologize to @Troglodyte - I admire his transparency on the weight loss as I am on the same path. I'm done to 212 from 245.
 
Honestly they could put him the fake Oval Office TV studio that they already have and hire a bunch of actors to pretend they’re working for him. He’d never know.

You want to know how far gone this nation is? During the Covid hoax, Biden's staff built a fake Oval Office and President Dementia Patient would deliver remarks from the fake office instead of the actual Oval Office. (Why? Probably to save President Handspring Genius from having to climb stairs.)

And how did our illustrious MSM (miserable, stupid morons) handle the fake Oval Office? Just as you would expect. First, they claimed the assertions about a fake Oval Office for the fake booster were false:

The claim that Biden Administration created fake Oval Office false and the guy is so, so smaht!!

Then they explained why the fake Oval Office was great thing:

The fake Oval Office is a great thing, and Biden is sooooo smaht!!

It does not matter how much you despise the corrupt, lying media - you do NOT hate them enough.
 
Oh, so illegals entering after 1985 stopped working?

Do fuq you think 20 million people walking into a country does to labor costs? You think engineers and Ph.D.'s are walking across the border? Or blue collar workers, driving down the price of labor by artificially increasing supply?

I have read numerous articles about the fact minimum wage needs to be increased because wages for lower-level and entry-level jobs have fallen far behind inflation. Why do you think that is? Do you think adding tens of millions of unskilled employees may have a negative effect on blue collar jobs?

And not to shock you, but 66.5% of Asians have college degrees, 52.9% of whites, and 39% of blacks. So who do you think is hurt more by the influx of illegal unskilled labor??

College degrees by race - 2022
I never said or implied that they stopped working. What I asked was "what exactly is a BLACK and/or HISPANIC job that the illegals are taking?"

Let me also apologize for not be clear. I work for and have work for most of the top financial firms across the country/globe - I should have never asked what illegal can or could take my job. That was stupid of me. But...

Since you opened the door - I would bet my life savings and entire monthly paycheck to say that there are DEFINITELY educated illegals and professionals, from their country, that have crossed our borders. I personally know several but they cannot work legally until they get status and take the necessary actions in their respective fields to garner that status.

You have not shocked me w/ the numbers/reports about college degrees. Know this, all those numbers are going to decrease because of the direction society as a whole is going - I won't go into that discussion but ask some of the youngsters you know...

So, I still consider you my brother and friend.

Now, where's my glass of red wine???
 
I was a teen over most of this period and I can honestly say - I CANNOT name ONE AA who worked drywall construction. I'm not saying that there were not any or even many, but, this seems like quite a blanket statement...

I linked two articles. And as for anecdotal evidence - I represented quite a few general Kors and subs in the 1990's and most confirmed that they had a significant number of African-American drywallers, tile specialists, flooring specialists, etc. and replaced those guys with immigrants (a lot illegals) because they worked for a lot less.

Oh, you need to apologize to @Troglodyte - I admire his transparency on the weight loss as I am on the same path. I'm done to 212 from 245.

You bet.

Hey Floggy, I am sorry you are such a pathetic loser fat-*** lawyer wanna-be grifter scumbag freeloader.

Floggy deserves every comment I send his direction. Every one. I am not going to bore you with details about comments he has made about me, most of them simply dumb, and I get that you are a newcomer to the Floggy Stupid Remarks forum, but Floggy is a guy who thought it appropriate if not hilarious to mock Supe about his divorce. As if Flogstain the Bloated has a hint of a clue about anybody's life circumstances.

That's the guy you are siding with, Berm.
 
Got news for you and the rest. It's exactly the same here in MD. Two neighbors have had their roofs replaced in the past week. 100% hispanic crews. Most construction jobs here are. Like 90%.

My stepfather is currently in hospice dying. I've been there 5 days in a row, spent the night last night. Next to the hospice center, they are building a townhome/housing development. 100% hispanic.

Fences were being put up around the center (it's nearly brand new). Fencing crew? 100% hispanic. In...West...Virginia.
Let's dive into this...

Why not blame the owners of these companies hiring the Hispanic crews??? Seems like an easy fix to me. Why? Because, in the words of our HC, "obviously" hiring staff that will work for less saves me money as an employer - ESPECIALLY if those same workers are doing the job(s) faster and still complying w/ all of the regulations of construction.

Care to speak to the workers in the Trump Towers??? I have. Stayed at the TT in NYC and every maintenance man, bell hop, concierge, room attendant was from another country except for the two managers on the floor. They were Americans.

Say what you will, but the goal/objective in business is to make more money that you spend. Hell, my team of 27 across the globe only has 8 Americans---89% of my team is from India. Because it's cheaper and they are willing to work the hours that most won't without complaints or excuses...
 
Since you opened the door - I would bet my life savings and entire monthly paycheck to say that there are DEFINITELY educated illegals and professionals, from their country, that have crossed our borders. I personally know several but they cannot work legally until they get status and take the necessary actions in their respective fields to garner that status.

I would wager my house and 401k's and IRA that 90% or more have a high school education or less and 95% don't speak English.

So I suspect they will not be competing for your job, or indeed most jobs except blue collar, manual labor jobs. Those jobs used to pay enough for a family to buy a house and a car.

What happened? Why do blue collar jobs, particularly construction jobs, pay so little today?

You have not shocked me w/ the numbers/reports about college degrees. Know this, all those numbers are going to decrease because of the direction society as a whole is going - I won't go into that discussion but ask some of the youngsters you know...

Blue collar and construction jobs are a career that will never disappear. AI is not going to install HVAC or pour concrete. However, bringing in 20 million people, 10 million of whom will compete for those jobs with our own citizens, is destined indeed designed to reduce the wages paid for the jobs.

That is a terrible idea for America. Terrible. Yes, the artificially cheap labor reduces prices for construction, but at what cost to America? If cheap labor is such a great thing for the economy, who do Mexico and Guatemala and Honduras and Venezuela struggle so mightily?

A certain political class is bringing in millions of illegals as future voters. The fact that their policies lead to human trafficking, lower wages for Americans, and remove a large part of the workforce for the countries that the immigrants leave? Pffft, re-election is all that matters to those people.

So, I still consider you my brother and friend.

Sounds good.

Now, where's my glass of red wine???

I drank it. I thought you had given up the booze.
 
The underlying issue with the predominately mexican central american illegal immigrant workers is that they send the majority of the money earned home

Mexicos minimum wage is 1.86 an hour... columbia is like $11 a day, brazil around 280 a month... a person can get a job here, support a family back home and put virtually nothing back into the economy...

That needs to be stopped. By using the trade agreements to bolster Mexico and pressuring them to double their minimum wage, and being tougher on border crossings, it would keep most of that stiff centered in mexico instead of here...

We want immigrants that are going to join us and assimilate.. not steal money and run...

Thats why im fine with long term illegals who grew up here being nationalized... and people willing to make an effort to legally get in ... they are here for the long term and are spending money here...
 
You want to know how far gone this nation is? During the Covid hoax, Biden's staff built a fake Oval Office and President Dementia Patient would deliver remarks from the fake office instead of the actual Oval Office. (Why? Probably to save President Handspring Genius from having to climb stairs.)

And how did our illustrious MSM (miserable, stupid morons) handle the fake Oval Office? Just as you would expect. First, they claimed the assertions about a fake Oval Office for the fake booster were false:

The claim that Biden Administration created fake Oval Office false and the guy is so, so smaht!!

Then they explained why the fake Oval Office was great thing:

The fake Oval Office is a great thing, and Biden is sooooo smaht!!

It does not matter how much you despise the corrupt, lying media - you do NOT hate them enough.
So we didn't land on the moon!!! Fabulous!!! 😂😂😂
 
I linked two articles. And as for anecdotal evidence - I represented quite a few general Kors and subs in the 1990's and most confirmed that they had a significant number of African-American drywallers, tile specialists, flooring specialists, etc. and replaced those guys with immigrants (a lot illegals) because they worked for a lot less.



You bet.

Hey Floggy, I am sorry you are such a pathetic loser fat-*** lawyer wanna-be grifter scumbag freeloader.

Floggy deserves every comment I send his direction. Every one. I am not going to bore you with details about comments he has made about me, most of them simply dumb, and I get that you are a newcomer to the Floggy Stupid Remarks forum, but Floggy is a guy who thought it appropriate if not hilarious to mock Supe about his divorce. As if Flogstain the Bloated has a hint of a clue about anybody's life circumstances.

That's the guy you are siding with, Berm.
I didn't know the history. Thanks for filling me in.

I'm gonna kick @Superman in the *** for not letting me know as well!

Not siding w/ him I just think I understand his concerns in the particular question that I posed...
 
Let's dive into this...

Why not blame the owners of these companies hiring the Hispanic crews??? Seems like an easy fix to me. Why? Because, in the words of our HC, "obviously" hiring staff that will work for less saves me money as an employer - ESPECIALLY if those same workers are doing the job(s) faster and still complying w/ all of the regulations of construction.

Oh, I blame the contractors. Make no mistake about that. However, those employers are the only ones preventing the illegals from starving or taking government benefits.

The Kors and subs hire illegals because they show up on time, do the job and don't complain. I get it. Great. So the fact that 12 million Americans need to find another job or work for artificially low wages? Too bad for them, I guess.

Henry Ford paid his workers twice the going rate. Know why? He said he needed the employees to earn enough to afford his cars. The same is true for every aspect of American society. Wages for roofers and landscapers and flooring techs will increase, homes and remodels will cost more, tens of millions of Americans will get decent paying jobs and their contributions to the economy will benefit all of us.

Not to go off on a rant, but we can offset the price increases for construction due to wage increases by removing some of the thousands of regulations governing construction - from water breaks to lumber regulations to permit requirements and permit fees to restrictions on development to Medicare taxes. I have told an anecdote about one of my former clients, a developer, who bought 47 acres in a less-developed area of Southern California. He was initially approved to build around 150 homes and was looking to charge between $450,000 and $600,000 per residence. (This was a few years ago ...) The Building Dept. then told him he could build just 120 homes, then 105 homes, and he had to build a public park (something governments used to build), and then he had to build a major road (again something governments used to do).

By the time he was building the homes, the cost to put the homes in place went from $270,000 to $380,000 per residence to $600,000 each for nice homes, 3 and 4 BR, but not what a sales price of $750,000 each would support. At the time buyers were not going to pay $750,000 for nice tract homes. Guess what? He built just 65 homes, large lots, 6 BR, 5 B, charging $1.2 to $1.4 million each.

Because government.

Care to speak to the workers in the Trump Towers??? I have. Stayed at the TT in NYC and every maintenance man, bell hop, concierge, room attendant was from another country except for the two managers on the floor. They were Americans.

Sure. Have not been there for about 10 years but TT is a nice place. Hate the crowds, traffic is terrible, prices are awful but still, good place. Even has a little market downstairs to get snacks, drinks.

Again, Americans can and will do those jobs. The idea that if we tell illegals they can't work in our country millions of jobs go unfilled is just not realistic.

Say what you will, but the goal/objective in business is to make more money that you spend. Hell, my team of 27 across the globe only has 8 Americans---89% of my team is from India. Because it's cheaper and they are willing to work the hours that most won't without complaints or excuses...

You are conflating hiring foreign workers with hiring illegals. I get the point, but to be fair, I wager you could find 19 more American citizens to do the job well without complaint, but that would be a chore. Easier to hire 19 from India - I get it. But really not the same as allowing 20 million to walk into a nation.
 
Floggy deserves every comment I send his direction. Every one. I am not going to bore you with details about comments he has made about me, most of them simply dumb, and I get that you are a newcomer to the Floggy Stupid Remarks forum, but Floggy is a guy who thought it appropriate if not hilarious to mock Supe about his divorce. As if Flogstain the Bloated has a hint of a clue about anybody's life circumstances.

That's the guy you are siding with, Berm.
😝 That was in response to Stupe mocking my 23 year marriage and low lying fruit for me to mock a fragile **** throwing stones in his glass house.
 
😝 That was in response to Stupe mocking my 23 year marriage and low lying fruit for me to mock a fragile **** throwing stones in his glass house.

@bermudasteel, let me provide a brief glimpse of Floggy. Here is Supe's comment:

changing the argument again?
werent you the one who said that rural communities rely on Dollar General and other cheap grocery stores for food? I believe @Tim Steelersfan has said that your blinders-on drive through Appalachia (hope you're not still spreading the WooFloo) did not allow you to see other food stores.

change the argument again, but don't ever:
  • take personal responsibility
  • change your diet
remain the slovenly miserable sadass you've come to show yourself as

Floggy's reply:

😂 says the divorcee living in a Tampa trailer park!

The three posts quoted above, full and without any edit on my part, demonstrate who Floggy is and why my somewhat pointed comments proffer only what he has earned. I am not going to take any more of your time regarding the fungus known as Floggy.
 
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