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Geez, did Tibs go off the deep end?

What in the hell are you talking about?

Trump said before the election he might not accept the results if Hillary won, and has since said he could have won California if not for millions of illegals voting (more fake news).

It's pretty obvious what he's talking about. If Trump had lost, it would have been handled just like when Romney and McCain lost. No different. Maybe an ask for a recount.

Contrast that with John Podesta, the Electoral College voters, having them meet with Intelligence agencies to undermine democracy, Hollywood's commercials to the Electoral College voters, the attempts to derail the election by claiming Russian hacking, using Jill Stein to do a recount...

Even you can see the stark difference between a peaceful transfer of power and the Libs attempts to derail democracy.
 
It's pretty obvious what he's talking about. If Trump had lost, it would have been handled just like when Romney and McCain lost. No different. Maybe an ask for a recount.

Contrast that with John Podesta, the Electoral College voters, having them meet with Intelligence agencies to undermine democracy, Hollywood's commercials to the Electoral College voters, the attempts to derail the election by claiming Russian hacking, using Jill Stein to do a recount...

Even you can see the stark difference between a peaceful transfer of power and the Libs attempts to derail democracy.

Add to that the hacking of Georgia's systems by Homeland Insecurity and you have quite a mess. Georgia had apparently refused their offer to "test" their system so they hacked them anyway.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/08/homeland-security-tied-to-attempted-hack-of-georgias-election-database-report.html
 
Unnamed sources claimed millions of illegals voting in California -- FAKE NEWS!
US GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY - sworn to protect us and tell the truth - claim Russia, under the watchful eye of Putin, manipulated the election in Trump's favor -- MUST BE TRUE, Overthrow Electoral Votes!

I fixed 'er for ya.
 
This imbecilic idea that Putin and Russia hacked the DNC and Podesta by having those morons open up a phishing e-mail and did so specifically to help Trump is frankly dumb.

The Russian hack was meant to harm Clinton, because Russia believed Clinton was going to win and hoped to undermine her world status.

That's it. Trump had not one ******* thing to do with it. He won the election. He won more than 300 electoral votes. Grow up and accept the results. Seriously, the attempts to thwart the election outcome is sickening.

These same Hollywood ***** behind some asinine "don't vote the way the voters told you to vote" would be soiling their panties if the Republicans had celebrities asking the electors to ignore the election results and vote for somebody other than Hillary.
 
It makes perfect sense, if you think about it. The Electors need to deliberate and cast their vote in good conscience.

Citizen Runs FULL PAGE Anti-Trump Ad In Washington Post Aimed At Electoral Voters
http://bipartisanreport.com/2016/12...ngton-post-aimed-at-electoral-voters-details/

In the Federalist Papers #68, Alexander Hamilton clearly states that the Electoral College was meant to prevent the rise of unqualified demagogues and pawns of foreign powers. You know, like Donald Trump. The Electoral College is also supposed to preserve “a sense of the people.” Meaning the 65,759,248 who chose Hillary Clinton as of the time of this writing.

Given the will of the people and the dramatic change of course a GOP-controlled Congress and White House would force on the American people, this seems as good a time as any for these “discerning” individuals to put partisan considerations aside for the common good.

‘There are times in the life of a nation when extraordinary circumstances call for extraordinary measures. Now is a such time, and your courage and leadership are required.’

‘Never in our Republic’s history has there been a President-apparent comparable to Donald Trump. His inauguration would present a grave and continual threat to the Constitution, to domestic tranquility, and to international stability.”

A bullet list of reasons why Donald Trump is unfit for office follows and includes:

  • His lack of experience in any public position;
  • Threatening freedom of speech, freedom of the press, and freedom of religion;
  • Entangling himself in conflicts of interest through his business dealings at home and abroad;
  • Showing a “reckless disregard” for foreign diplomacy, national security, and general restraint and judgment;
  • Condoning torture and Russian interference in our election, and;
  • A general lack of character.
 
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Look at those tiny hands, oof. No wonder he has Napoleon complex.

I guess I don't understand why you would judge a person by the alleged size of their dick? What did Slick Willy measure?
 
I fixed 'er for ya.

So CIA says it's happened, FBI and NSA says it didn't.

Choose your favorite government agency to trust?
 
So CIA says it's happened, FBI and NSA says it didn't.

Choose your favorite government agency to trust?

Many folks believe the wikileaks stuff came from US intelligence sources.

Us foreigners really doubt that is a proper use of the term intelligence.
 
So CIA says it's happened, FBI and NSA says it didn't.

Background info here.

Did the Russians “hack” the election? A look at the established facts
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/the-public-evidence-behind-claims-russia-hacked-for-trump/

APT28: A WINDOW INTO RUSSIA’S CYBER ESPIONAGE OPERATIONS?
https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/fireeye-www/global/en/current-threats/pdfs/rpt-apt28.pdf

Russian election hack: John McCain tells Trump "the facts are there"
https://mic.com/articles/161924/rus...in-tells-trump-the-facts-are-there#.0p7ZPPhm4
 
My position essentially is this, if the electoral college were for some batshit crazy reason to overturn a legal election in the United States because of the media's interpretation and meddling in the candidacy a couple things would immediately need to happen.

1st, we'd need to accept that we no longer have anything resembling a democracy. We should just admit outwardly that we have a aristocratic fascist government ruled by a corporate class that preserves it's own interests at any costs. There will be no need for further elections because clearly they don't matter. Whatever the states decide is unimportant. In fact, I would find it offensive if the farce of an election was foisted upon the country again.

2nd, any money Trump or the Republican party put into his candidacy should be refunded to him (as well as the party) by the American People. The electors who change their votes obviously should be fined above and beyond the normal amount specified in order to help with this as it will obviously run in the millions and millions of dollars, but ultimately the American taxpayer will have to foot the bill. You can hardly expect Trump to simply give up on the money lost to a stolen election for completely selfish and nefarious reasons. Furthermore, that repayment can't be amortized over a period of years. Trump and his supporters poured their money into the campaign over a period of a couple of years. It is expected that they should be repaid immediately given the corrupt nature of the "Hamiltonian" coup.

Obviously anybody who supported Trump in the election cannot in good consciousness support the "new" candidate. Now that the country will be outwardly run by a fascist regime and there won't be any future elections, merely appointments it will truly be the responsibility of American patriots to look after their own affairs as best they can in the new world order. That isn't a call to violence of course, merely a tacit recognition that the country is certainly no longer interested in serving its citizenry but rather focusing on an expansionist agenda that makes American citizens of extraordinarily marginalized value. Thus you should prepare and act accordingly.
 
On Oct. 7, the Department of Homeland Security and Office of the Director of National Intelligence on Election Security issued a joint statement saying that the U.S. Intelligence Community — which includes 16 member agencies — was “confident” that recent hacks into the email systems of the Democratic Party were directed by the Russian government.

Joint Statement, Oct. 7: "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

Fact check: Trump, Russia and the U.S. election

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...check-trump-russia-election-hacking/95192810/


And BAS, the FBI and NSA have not denied anything the CIA has put out there, stating simply that they cannot 'prove intent' at this point. But they are not denying the facts as put forth in the CIA statement.
 
You know what's interesting Tibs, is the fact that those sneaky darn hackers got into state department servers...

Oh, wait. They didn't. They got into private servers with mail that never should have been there. Right. So really what we're seeing is the Democrats complaining about the country seeing dirty laundry that they simply never wanted aired. Had they NOT used improper servers and channels, had they been LESS corrupt, had they been MORE forthcoming none of this would have ever been an issue.

But let's focus on anything but what the DNC did wrong, shall we?

For example, the hackers hacked into CNN's questions for the debates and leaked them to Clinton before two debates. Pesky hackers!

The hackers hacked into the DNC and cut Sander's throat even though he'd won the primary support of the party. Pesky damn hackers!

The hackers convinced Clinton not to do anything but attack Trump throughout the campaign rather than make any effort whatsoever to talk about economic policy or domestic policy or even foreign policy. ******' hackers!

The hackers even talked Clinton into not campaigning aggressively in swing states because she believed she had them solidly won. Clever ******* hackers!

The hackers colluded with the media (and Clinton) before the campaign race ever started to provide the most one-sided media coverage ever seen in an election which ultimately helped to swing almost every undecided voter due to the obvious bias. Sneaky double-agent hackers!
 
wig, I'm mostly shocked this issue of a foreign entity hacking into - and meddling in - an American election isn't met with outrage regardless of political affiliation. Never seen anything like it.
 
Background info here.

Did the Russians “hack” the election? A look at the established facts
http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/12/the-public-evidence-behind-claims-russia-hacked-for-trump/

APT28: A WINDOW INTO RUSSIA’S CYBER ESPIONAGE OPERATIONS?
https://www.fireeye.com/content/dam/fireeye-www/global/en/current-threats/pdfs/rpt-apt28.pdf

Russian election hack: John McCain tells Trump "the facts are there"
https://mic.com/articles/161924/rus...in-tells-trump-the-facts-are-there#.0p7ZPPhm4

Did you read the first article?

But while the hackers may have been caught in the act digitally, the details by themselves don't offer definitive proof of the identity of those behind the anti-Clinton hacking campaign. Public details currently don't offer clear insight into the specific intent behind these hacks, either.

Could have been the Swedes, or the Nigerians, or the Vietnamese, or the Samoans, or the Argentinians. Or some group pissed off at Clintonistas, like much of the world.
Where does Wikileaks get its stuff? Sometimes from good old Americans, right?
 
I guess I don't understand why you would judge a person by the alleged size of their dick? What did Slick Willy measure?

depth with cigar?
 
and WikiLeaks is saying they absolutely did NOT get their information from Russia, but from a leak inside the DNC.
 
It's pretty obvious what he's talking about. If Trump had lost, it would have been handled just like when Romney and McCain lost. No different. Maybe an ask for a recount.

You've got that right. I like to call it the RINO rollover.
 
So again, you guys are telling me this is all made up and there isn't an ounce of truth to it? Along with all the other physical evidence regarding the hacking itself, all pointing to Russia. This is all just a ploy by disgrunted Hillary supporters, just made up out of thin air. Got it.

U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...personally-involved-u-s-election-hack-n696146

U.S. intelligence officials now believe with "a high level of confidence" that Russian President Vladimir Putin became personally involved in the covert Russian campaign to interfere in the U.S. presidential election, senior U.S. intelligence officials told NBC News.

Two senior officials with direct access to the information say new intelligence shows that Putin personally directed how hacked material from Democrats was leaked and otherwise used. The intelligence came from diplomatic sources and spies working for U.S. allies, the officials said.

Putin's objectives were multifaceted, a high-level intelligence source told NBC News. What began as a "vendetta" against Hillary Clinton morphed into an effort to show corruption in American politics and to "split off key American allies by creating the image that [other countries] couldn't depend on the U.S. to be a credible global leader anymore," the official said.

Ultimately, the CIA has assessed, the Russian government wanted to elect Donald Trump. The FBI and other agencies don't fully endorse that view, but few officials would dispute that the Russian operation was intended to harm Clinton's candidacy by leaking embarrassing emails about Democrats.

The latest intelligence said to show Putin's involvement goes much further than the information the U.S. was relying on in October, when all 17 intelligence agencies signed onto a statement attributing the Democratic National Committee hack to Russia.

The statement said officials believed that "only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities." That was an intelligence judgment based on an understanding of the Russian system of government, which Putin controls with absolute authority.

Now the U.S has solid information tying Putin to the operation, the intelligence officials say. Their use of the term "high confidence" implies that the intelligence is nearly incontrovertible.

"It is most certainly consistent with the Putin that I have watched and used to work with when I was an ambassador and in the government," said Michael McFaul, who was ambassador to Russia from 2012 to 2014.

"He has had a vendetta against Hillary Clinton, that has been known for a long time because of what she said about his elections back in the parliamentary elections of 2011. He wants to discredit American democracy and make us weaker in terms of leading the liberal democratic order. And most certainly he likes President-elect Trump's views on Russia," McFaul added. Clinton cast doubt on the integrity of Russia's elections.

And then to add insult to injury - which should be even more alarming - Trump announces Putin's Exxon puppet Tillerson as Secretary of State. Yet none of you are concerned about this? Amazing.

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So again, you guys are telling me this is all made up and there isn't an ounce of truth to it? Along with all the other physical evidence regarding the hacking itself, all pointing to Russia. This is all just a ploy by disgrunted Hillary supporters, just made up out of thin air. Got it.

U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...personally-involved-u-s-election-hack-n696146



And then to add insult to injury - which should be even more alarming - Trump announces Putin's Exxon puppet Tillerson as Secretary of State. Yet none of you are concerned about this? Amazing.

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Is this like the Weapons of Mass Destruction intelligence?

Are you accusing Trump of something? If so, what?
 
and then to add insult to injury - which should be even more alarming - trump announces putin's exxon puppet tillerson as secretary of state. Yet none of you are concerned about this? Amazing.

not.one.bit.
 
I might be concerned, but it's still early and I will let actions dictate. What "deals" businessmen have in the private sector does not definitively mean that person is going to act corrupt when given a public service position. And Tillerson has business relationships EVERYWHERE. To single out his relationship with Putin as "special" or "different" from all the others lacks perspective.

And this is NOTHING compared to my concerns over Hillary Clinton because she WAS a public servant when she blatantly and factually acted corrupt with her husband and foundation to launder "contributions" and "pay to play" schemes.

I much more trust Military Generals and Businessmen with moral ethics right now than I do career politicians. And every time Trump brings one of them in instead of a career public servant that claims to be "an expert" at anything but pontificating and skimming money off the top of taxpayers, I will applaud his choice.
 
So again, you guys are telling me this is all made up and there isn't an ounce of truth to it? Along with all the other physical evidence regarding the hacking itself, all pointing to Russia. This is all just a ploy by disgrunted Hillary supporters, just made up out of thin air. Got it.

U.S. Officials: Putin Personally Involved in U.S. Election Hack
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...personally-involved-u-s-election-hack-n696146



And then to add insult to injury - which should be even more alarming - Trump announces Putin's Exxon puppet Tillerson as Secretary of State. Yet none of you are concerned about this? Amazing.

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You couldn't make a gay thing out of this? You seems to really enjoy that as a big insult, which is really intolerant.
 
wig, I'm mostly shocked this issue of a foreign entity hacking into - and meddling in - an American election isn't met with outrage regardless of political affiliation. Never seen anything like it.
If we really want to nitpick and take a look at the number of foreign elections the United States has tampered with or otherwise swayed I think we'd see this was a silly thing to concern ourselves about.

The fact is regardless of WHO was tossing Camp Clinton dirty secrets all over the highway like so much trash from the back of an uncovered truck on a freeway, the damn truck was uncovered and filled with trash. At what point do people stop whining piteously about all the mean information that was "leaked" and once again start asking "So uh... about the veracity of these pay for play allegations?"

You think the United States didn't spend decades trying to unseat Castro, to weaken him? Did you forget who sold Hussein all those weapons of mass destruction? They knew he had them because we still had the receipts. They simply couldn't find anything because he'd used everything he had on allied forces blasting chemical weaponry over them during desert storm. (A fact our own awesome government covered up in order to keep him in power and retain our oil access.)

You're completely naive if you think our government is any nicer or cleaner than those "other guys". The fact is people within our own intelligence agencies leaked that information. They sent it out to Assange in order to sway the election. If they can make the Russians look bad in the process, **** that's just icing on the cake. Feel free to take a look at the long and loving relationship between the CIA and the Soviet Union / Russia. Blaming the Ruskies for pretty much anything would be right in line with our good ole CIA. I'm shocked they didn't paint a commercial airline carrier as a military plane, fly it over Russian air space and drop printed emails over the Kremlin.

You have entirely too much faith in our government. The sooner you get over that, the better off you'll be.
 
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