I vote Democrat

[DBS1970]

RollRed.

Sure the Bible advocates charity for those legitimately in need. But tell me what it says about sloth and laziness?

 

[Vader]

Matthew 5:42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

1 John 3:17 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

Deuteronomy 15:7-8 If among you one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that The Lord your God has given you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be.

James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Sounds like Jesus would be in favor of single-payer. Seems to me that Bummer's moral compass is more in line with biblical standards than the Bible thumping republicans. As flawed as the ACA is, it was, at least, created by the party that actually gave a **** that there are millions of people that can't afford decent healthcare.

Jesus wasn't talking about government. Not ONCE did he say it was the government responsibility for any of that. He was talking about individuals being charitable. Jesus never entered into the political realm. But of course I wouldn't expect a liberal to take the time to understand what he is reading... or not reading.

If the dems gave a **** about millions of people that don't have HC then maybe they would have read the bill BEFORE they passed it?

BTW maybe you should read the Bible where it talks about unborn children? You think Jesus would be pro-choice?

 

[hamster]

Sounds like Jesus would be in favor of single-payer. Seems to me that Bummer's moral compass is more in line with biblical standards than the Bible thumping republicans. As flawed as the ACA is, it was, at least, created by the party that actually gave a **** that there are millions of people that can't afford decent healthcare.

There was once a time in the country, when it was the privately funded system of charitable organizations that took care of the needy. And they did a pretty good job of it. It was in the 60's, ,under the stewardship of LBJ, that the Gov't stepped in, looted the SS fund, and created the welfare state. History has shown that the Great Society has effectively destroyed the black family.
The AHCA proves to be the landmark legislation that will effectively ruin our healthcare system. It has neither made hc more affordable, nor provided hc to the uninsured. It is a failure. The VA debacle has demonstrated that the Gov't should stay out of healthcare.

Your ignorance of reality is eclipsed by your ignorance of the Bible.

 

[Rod Farva]

I find it fascinating that the right has no problem with the gov't. dropping 5,6,7 hundred billion dollars a year on defense to protect the American people from invading armies, but when someone from the other side suggests that it is just as important that we protect the American people from invading viruses and cancer cells they're labeled a leftist-Marxist wack job. In the end, shouldn't all threats to the health and welfare of each American be treated with the same importance? And what is the more imminent threat to the average American citizen's health? Is it an enemy bullet or a cancer cell? We spend hundreds and hundreds of billions protecting our people from bombs and bullets, but to suggest we do the same to protect them from disease is somehow a ridiculous proposition.

"Provide for the Common Defense". Don't know where I read that. Probably no where important.

BMTI.....karma if we had it.

Matthew 5:42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

1 John 3:17 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

Deuteronomy 15:7-8 If among you one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that The Lord your God has given you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be.

James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Sounds like Jesus would be in favor of single-payer. Seems to me that Bummer's moral compass is more in line with biblical standards than the Bible thumping republicans. As flawed as the ACA is, it was, at least, created by the party that actually gave a **** that there are millions of people that can't afford decent healthcare.

Wow....quite the contortionist.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Last I looked, someone could easily spend $250,000 for a new house. What do you do with all that money? Price-gouging 1%-er.....
How many people do you employ? Do they get health insurance? Workmen's comp? Social Security paid?
I eagerly await your answer.

 

[ark steel]

RollRed.

Sure the Bible advocates charity for those legitimately in need. But tell me what it says about sloth and laziness?

And theft.....

 

[ark steel]

Matthew 5:42 Give to the one who begs from you, and do not refuse the one who would borrow from you.

1 John 3:17 But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

Deuteronomy 15:7-8 If among you one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that The Lord your God has given you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be.

James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and filled," without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.

Sounds like Jesus would be in favor of single-payer. Seems to me that Bummer's moral compass is more in line with biblical standards than the Bible thumping republicans. As flawed as the ACA is, it was, at least, created by the party that actually gave a **** that there are millions of people that can't afford decent healthcare.

For the life of me, I can't see anything in there that says to take from others and use their resources to provide whatever. It is YOU do it, not steal to do it.

 

[RollRed]

Jesus wasn't talking about government. Not ONCE did he say it was the government responsibility for any of that. He was talking about individuals being charitable. Jesus never entered into the political realm. But of course I wouldn't expect a liberal to take the time to understand what he is reading... or not reading.

If the dems gave a **** about millions of people that don't have HC then maybe they would have read the bill BEFORE they passed it?

BTW maybe you should read the Bible where it talks about unborn children? You think Jesus would be pro-choice?

I understand fine... You obviously don't understand how our democratic system of gov't. is supposed to operate. Jesus said that people in general.... in other words, everyone.. should always be willing to help anyone in need. Our elected officials are supposed to make policies based on what the people that elected them want. Let me make this easier to follow for you... If we want to be a charitable nation, the gov't. should do what we want and make policies that make it easier for us to be a charitable nation by putting in place the agencies that make sure the charity that we supposedly want to give goes where it needs to go.

 

[RollRed]

There was once a time in the country, when it was the privately funded system of charitable organizations that took care of the needy. And they did a pretty good job of it. It was in the 60's, ,under the stewardship of LBJ, that the Gov't stepped in, looted the SS fund, and created the welfare state. History has shown that the Great Society has effectively destroyed the black family.
The AHCA proves to be the landmark legislation that will effectively ruin our healthcare system. It has neither made hc more affordable, nor provided hc to the uninsured. It is a failure. The VA debacle has demonstrated that the Gov't should stay out of healthcare.

Your ignorance of reality is eclipsed by your ignorance of the Bible.

You feel gov't. should stay out of healthcare completely, so it stands to reason you'd like to see Medicare done away with completely. You must long for the good old days when you had 80 year old women that live alone sitting at the table trying to decide if she should buy food or pay the doctor, because she can't do both. Or better yet, she's sitting at that same table wrapped in blankets because she decided to buy the medicine that keeps her alive instead of buying fuel oil for her furnace.... Ahh the good ol' days...

 

[RollRed]

Jesus wasn't talking about government. Not ONCE did he say it was the government responsibility for any of that. He was talking about individuals being charitable. Jesus never entered into the political realm. But of course I wouldn't expect a liberal to take the time to understand what he is reading... or not reading.

If the dems gave a **** about millions of people that don't have HC then maybe they would have read the bill BEFORE they passed it?

BTW maybe you should read the Bible where it talks about unborn children? You think Jesus would be pro-choice?

So you have no issues with the govt. going into a woman's uterus just as long as they stay out of her wallet. This was always my favorite example of right wing hypocrisy... Always railing about "big gov't." over-reach, over-regulation, over-taxation, etc., but apparently have zero problem with "big gov't." telling a woman that she can't make decisions about things that are occurring INSIDE OF HER OWN BODY!! Personally, I think abortion is a terrible choice and one I would never make, but as much as it bothers me I can't say that I should be able to tell a woman she can't make choices about things that are happening inside of her body.

 

[SteelChip]

I understand fine... You obviously don't understand how our democratic system of gov't. is supposed to operate. Jesus said that people in general.... in other words, everyone.. should always be willing to help anyone in need. Our elected officials are supposed to make policies based on what the people that elected them want. Let me make this easier to follow for you... If we want to be a charitable nation, the gov't. should do what we want and make policies that make it easier for us to be a charitable nation by putting in place the agencies that make sure the charity that we supposedly want to give goes where it needs to go.

You obviously are not aware of the massive amount of govt programs that are spending just as massive amounts of our money on social programs right now. How much is enough ??

Let's just take a swipe at a couple that start w 'C'.......

Child Abuse and Neglect Discretionary Activities, $34,386,000 total funding
Child Abuse and Neglect State Grants, $21,883,000 total funding
Child and Adult Care Food Program, $1,856,368,000 total funding
Child Care Access Means Parents in School, $16,099,000 total funding
Child Care and Development Block Grant, $2,087,910,000 total funding
Child Care Mandatory and Matching Funds of the Child Care and Development Fund, $2,717,000,000 total funding
Child Care Provider Loan Forgiveness Demonstration
Child Nutrition Discretionary Grants Limited Availability
Child Support Enforcement, $4,351,674,000 total funding
Child Support Enforcement Demonstrations and Special Projects, $1,500,000 total funding
Child Support Enforcement Research, $1,800,000 total funding
Child Welfare Services Training Grants, $7,411,000 total funding
Child Welfare Services_State Grants, $289,320,000 total funding
Childhood Blood-Lead Screening and Lead Awareness (Educational) Outreach for Indian Tribes, $1,212,000 total funding
Childhood Lead Poisoning Prevention Projects_State and Local Childhood Lead Poisoning Prevention and Surveillance of Blood Lead Levels in Children, $31,781,000 total funding
Children's Hospitals Graduate Medical Education Payment, $199,000,000 total funding
Children's Justice Act Partnerships for Indian Communities, $3,000,000 total funding
Children's Justice Grants to States, $17,000,000 total funding
Chiropractic Demonstration Project Grants, $1,159,000 total funding
Christopher Columbus Fellowship Program, $887,000 total funding
Citizen Corps
Citizenship Education and Training, $30,000 total funding
Civic Education_ Cooperative Education Exchange Program, $11,852,000 total funding
Civil Rights Compliance Activities, $33,902,000 total funding
Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons, $10,034,000 total funding
Civil Rights Prosecution, $13,151,000 total funding
Civil Rights Training and Advisory Services, $7,243,000 total funding

ya got an hour or so....check out the whole list...yeh spend more...spend more, says the socialist.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...4YDAAQ&usg=AFQjCNGHMX6DY5kvi8WQaIPowI2lQcNLCQ

 

[Stewey]

I understand fine... You obviously don't understand how our democratic system of gov't. is supposed to operate. Jesus said that people in general.... in other words, everyone.. should always be willing to help anyone in need. Our elected officials are supposed to make policies based on what the people that elected them want. Let me make this easier to follow for you... If we want to be a charitable nation, the gov't. should do what we want and make policies that make it easier for us to be a charitable nation by putting in place the agencies that make sure the charity that we supposedly want to give goes where it needs to go.

Wow.. create another bureaucracy, what a novel idea.

Charity comes from the heart dim wit...you get no credit for being charitable when the government steals from you and gives to another.

What the government should do is drastically cut taxes...this would make Americans more charitable. Libtards haven't figured it out yet that the more the government does, the less responsible the people are. That is a fact. Consider Europe...way less charitable than Americans because they are taxed to death over there.

I have a novel idea though...come tax time, the government encourage, and provide the means for anyone to voluntarily pay more..over and above what you owe, so you can feel special. I wonder how many of you bleeding heart libtards would jump at the chance.

You also need to understand that "our democratic system" is our demise. First of all we are not really a democracy, we are a Republic..as in "to the Republic for which it stands"...our founders hated democracies with a passion, considered it nothing more than mob rule. Democracies throughout history have ended up killing themselves.

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years.

Great nations rise and fall. The people go from bondage to spiritual truth, to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency, from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependence, from dependence back again to bondage

At what stage would you say America is now?...I would say somewhere between the last two.

 

[ark steel]

So you have no issues with the govt. going into a woman's uterus just as long as they stay out of her wallet. This was always my favorite example of right wing hypocrisy... Always railing about "big gov't." over-reach, over-regulation, over-taxation, etc., but apparently have zero problem with "big gov't." telling a woman that she can't make decisions about things that are occurring INSIDE OF HER OWN BODY!! Personally, I think abortion is a terrible choice and one I would never make, but as much as it bothers me I can't say that I should be able to tell a woman she can't make choices about things that are happening inside of her body.

You want government to stay out of a woman's vagina, but you are OK with government forcing other people to pay for a product so that very same woman can stick anything in her vagina she wants?

If you believe that a fetus is a human life, there is no other option than to believe that killing it is murder. You, clearly, don't believe it is life. I do. See, I don't want to control a woman's body (well I do in other ways...), I see it as saving a life. Probably not clear enough for you.

Also, it is illegal for my to sell my organs. Why? If it is my own body and it is just tissue, why can't I do with it what I want? Some rich guy needs my kidney and is willing to give me $5,000,000 for it, why should it be illegal for me to sell it to him? Because it isn't about choice, it is about something else.

 

[DBS1970]

Roll Red,

Still waiting for your answer on what the bible says about sloth and laziness.

Also we don't have a democratic system of government, we have a representative republic where the rights of the individual are protected.

 

[bmoritz]

Personally, I think abortion is a terrible choice and one I would never make, but as much as it bothers me I can't say that I should be able to tell a woman she can't make choices about things that are happening inside of her body.

Then you are a pansy who has no backbone to stand up for something. This rationale is the biggest copout I've ever seen.

 

[RollRed]

Then you are a pansy who has no backbone to stand up for something. This rationale is the biggest copout I've ever seen.

Believing that I should not have the right to tell a woman she shouldn't have the last say when it pertains to something occurring inside of her own body is a cop out ...

 

[EdReed4Prez]

I'm pro abortion. Go on out and control the population. Spay and nueter your pet too. Legally, I don't see how the state can call a fetus a life if someone murders a mother carrying child (2 counts of murder), and not a life for abortion. That doesn't make sense.

 

[RollRed]

Jesus wasn't talking about government. Not ONCE did he say it was the government responsibility for any of that. He was talking about individuals being charitable. Jesus never entered into the political realm. But of course I wouldn't expect a liberal to take the time to understand what he is reading... or not reading.

If the dems gave a **** about millions of people that don't have HC then maybe they would have read the bill BEFORE they passed it?

BTW maybe you should read the Bible where it talks about unborn children? You think Jesus would be pro-choice?

If Jesus commands his followers adopt a "give 'til it hurts" philosophy in their own lives, wouldn't it stand to reason that he would also want nations, especially ones that are constantly espousing their creation based on Christian principles, to do the same? You can't have it both ways. The right loves to quote the Bible when it comes to issues like abortion or gay marriage, but completely ignores it when it comes to entitlements. You have to admit it's a bit of a stretch to read the things Jesus said about giving to the poor and not think that he would be in favor of gov't. programs that do just that. Are a lot of the people that receive this charity lazy scumbags... absolutely. The bad thing is, however, God is supposed to be the only one that can pass judgement upon them. Like the man said.."Thou shalt not judge lest he be judged.." or something like that.

 

[hamster]

You feel gov't. should stay out of healthcare completely, so it stands to reason you'd like to see Medicare done away with completely. You must long for the good old days when you had 80 year old women that live alone sitting at the table trying to decide if she should buy food or pay the doctor, because she can't do both. Or better yet, she's sitting at that same table wrapped in blankets because she decided to buy the medicine that keeps her alive instead of buying fuel oil for her furnace.... Ahh the good ol' days...

I see nothing wrong with the Gov't subsidizing health care costs for those that are truly in need. The Gov't should stay out of the insurance, and healthcare, businesses. The private sector will almost always provide a better service than the gov't sector.

 

[hamster]

Our elected officials are supposed to make policies based on what the people that elected them want..

The referendum in California proved that most Californians were against gay marriage. So then you are suggesting that our elected officials should overthrow the court ruling legalizing gay marriage?

 

[bmoritz]

RollRed, do you even understand what a copout is? Obviously you don't. You may disagree with what I believe, but to call it a "copout" just shows complete stupidity on your part, but nice try. Oh and the "It's her body" line is complete BS. The baby is a complete and separate human being who is reliant upon her body, NOT a part of her body.

 

[Vader]

I understand fine... You obviously don't understand how our democratic system of gov't. is supposed to operate. Jesus said that people in general.... in other words, everyone.. should always be willing to help anyone in need. Our elected officials are supposed to make policies based on what the people that elected them want. Let me make this easier to follow for you... If we want to be a charitable nation, the gov't. should do what we want and make policies that make it easier for us to be a charitable nation by putting in place the agencies that make sure the charity that we supposedly want to give goes where it needs to go.

You obviously don't understand theology as well as the founding of the country. The U.S. is NOT a purely democratic system. It's a Representative Republic. You elect people that you belief represent you the best. Now in respect to religion, I think it is very hypocritical of you to want to use Christianity when you like it and dismiss it when you don't. You want separation of Church and State UNTIL it fits your agenda. If the majority of citizens voted for people to shut down the country on Sunday and force people to go to church would you agree with that? Nope, you'd have a cow. You just like to pick and choose what Biblical passages you want to invoke at different times.

The fact is the Bible hates laziness: Thessalonians 3:10 "For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat." But I'm sure you don't want to implement that into the law right? Nope, just the Bible text that you take out of context which makes it a pretext.

 

[ark steel]

Rollers, you have one week. I think you should buy thank you cards and send to the doctors and nurses that have allowed you to celebrate another Father's Day with your dad.

 

[Superman]

Rollers, you have one week. I think you should buy thank you cards and send to the doctors and nurses that have allowed you to celebrate another Father's Day with your dad.

Father's Day is Sunday.
but if he waits until Monday to buy the card, he can save 53 cents.

 

[RollRed]

Rollers, you have one week. I think you should buy thank you cards and send to the doctors and nurses that have allowed you to celebrate another Father's Day with your dad.

You don't think the $36000 was enough?