There are two things I trust in the NFL. The Vegas bet line and the open market. When Rudy couldn't land a gig anywhere with a better opportunity than this it told me everything I need to know. They are not always right but they damn well do their homework.
I'd cut Rudolph for the roster spot
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And they fail at that homework often. This has nothing to do with any other team. It is a simple comparison to Mitch vs. Mason, not the rest of the league or anyone else. Assuming the line is improved I have more faith in Mason than I do Mitch throwing the ball. Mason is far tougher and more likely to make the completion. Mitch is just more likely to survive. Mason is a stubborn SOB in the pocket and will take a hit to make a completion as we have seen repeatedly. Mitch bails and doesn't look downfield well. Give Mason Mitch's short area agility and he might be one of the better QB's in the league. He is fast straight ahead but not nimble.
Lol sport’s scouting is about as scientific as a tarot card reading… hell Kwon Alexander looked like a superstar in that first preseason game and he signed for league minimum as was available after training camps started… I wouldn’t put that much stock in it…
and Vegas lines aren’t built to predict winners… they are built to pull bets… its risk management. In some cases they actually put bad lines up just to get action on the opposite end of a wager to mitigate losses if a team tanks. Its money driven by fans betting and the majority of fans are morons. Vegas uses psychology and perspective (… and Wig might say the occasional rigged game
)Curiously, Vegas odds directly correlate to winning percentage perfectly in college, but less so in the pros for whatever reason. Maybe it’s the greater talent disparity or maybe its just harder to manipulate bet coverages for pro bettors…
Kwon Alexander has health issues and one game makes nothing. You are what you are over the long run. Mason Rudolph is a 5 year veteran with under 2.4k passing yards. As Ben was ending his career they were begging for a successor. They had literally hundreds if filmed practices of Rudy and his 16 games of play. They moved on twice. Pittsburgh had to be one of the last places he wouod have chose for opportunity and I'm sure the way he felt slighted. He is what he is.
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THat doesn’t address the only comparison that matters in this case yet again. Mason v Mitch.
And your comparison states that you think Rudolph stands in better than Mitch which even if I conceded is one metric. I'd say if Mitch sticks around through most of his contract unfortunately he probably gets one last opportunity to prove something in this league. Most likely Rudy sticks around as an affable third string on the cheap another year or so and never adds one inch to his 2.4 k passing at which whatever you are saying will never actually be put to the test. If Kenny Pickett is injured for say 6 weeks I will be damn glad they got Mitch. If he is out for the season I will be mad because Mason would get the Steelers a juicy draft pick.
Hell when I think of Rudy I don't need to even go back that far. As every time I see the guy he looks immobile and he just doesn't seem capable of threading that needle into tight windows. Those two knocks are significant. Once and awhile he shoves aside this way of thinking and scrambles or hits a decent crowded throw. But for me it is seldom, much too seldom...
I would say Mitch is closer to a third stringer before I would say Rudy is a capable 2nd stringer. Just my opinion but how I see it...
I'd have to see the list of second stringers before I'm saying where Mitch lands.
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Probably getting in a fight with Myles Garrett. He didn’t get a chance and likely won’t. It is what it is. So it’s just never going to be something anyone can say definitively. But you never know. Doug Flutie finally got a chance at nearly 40.
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The concussion I feel really hindered his development that year. People don’t realize or just are smart enough to care that he was only 24 that year. Same age as Pickett. When KP got concussed we let him sit. Rudolph came right back and was gun shy. He wasn’t comfortable in the pocket he didn’t keep his eyes down field. Just overall not good football. But he still threw more tds than ints and had a .625 winning percentage.
He likely never gets another chance. Sadder stories have been told and at the end of the day he’ll probably have a 10+ year career and a nice bank account and pension. Don’t think there’s a reason to feel bad for him.
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Doug Flutie, Warren Moon, Rich Gannon, Mark Brunell, hell even Johnny Unitas wasn’t wanted by anyone. Doesn’t mean they didn’t have talent just didn’t get a shot rights away. There’s probably dozens of guys who could have been successful if the opportunity would have come.
That didn't get a chance crap is just that. Crap. Rudy has gotten plenty of chances to impress. They don't have to be restricted to games or preseason. The Steelers have had many of up close personal looks at him in closed practices mixed in with the games and preseason.
Every time a player steps onto a field they get a chance to prove themselves. To their team and every other team that is scouting them.
There wasn't a team that thought highly of Rudy. Steelers thought enough of him to bring him back as a red nosed third stringer.
The bullshit agenda filled narrative that he hasn't gotten a fair shake is ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. No matter how many times the snowflake tries to drive this false crap home, it remains just that. False crap. Say it 100 times more which I am sure he will, it still won't be true.
Every time a player steps onto a field they get a chance to prove themselves. To their team and every other team that is scouting them.
There wasn't a team that thought highly of Rudy. Steelers thought enough of him to bring him back as a red nosed third stringer.
The bullshit agenda filled narrative that he hasn't gotten a fair shake is ridiculous. Beyond ridiculous. No matter how many times the snowflake tries to drive this false crap home, it remains just that. False crap. Say it 100 times more which I am sure he will, it still won't be true.
Doug Flutie nutted up swallowed pride and played in CFL. He was also 5'9 or something like that not prototypical size. I'm with Slash. All those guys had slow starts but seized when opportunity knocked. Opportunity knocked last year. He didn't answer. Oh and Moon was black when barely any qbs were and again proved self in cfl.
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What opportunity are you speaking of? Camp? He had the best camp of all three QB's last year. 2019? He was 24 and didn't play well but certainly didn't play bad.
236/384 61.5% 2,366 yards 16td 11int 80.9 QB rating = Enough of an opportunity
245/389 63% 2,404 yards 7 td 9 int 76.7 QB Rating = Not enough of an opportunity
I agree with the latter but the people who say Rudolph HAD an opportunity just sound like mouth breathers. Like the type of people who when they speak you wonder how in gods name they have not accidentally drank bleach or walked into traffic. You can't say Rudolph had a shot at 384 pass attempts, but Pickett hasn't at 389. They have literally had the same opportunity. So if you believe that there's only two reasons. 1. You have an unhealthy hatred for Rudolph. 2. You have a creepy infatuation with Pickett.
It is what it is. The Steelers spent a first round pick on Pickett and they are going to give him every opportunity. I will give him 3 years before I make a final judgement. Because unlike many I do believe in giving a young QB some time to develop and not have unrealistic expectations.
Let's get some facts straight.
1. It would take a years deep dive but you could probably go as far back as after the year Ben got injured that I would have said Rudy should have got a chance to qb this team. Sink or swim. And high likelihood of sink but that wouod mean high draft pick.
2. Rudy has gotten probably close to 400 opportunities to prove it. You can wow coaches in practice. He has not.
3. KP was winning games with this team that I believe Mitch probably could too snd same with Rudy. But Kenny was in his 1st year not his 4th or 5th when Rudy was holding clip boards. He has a ton of talent and upside. If you don't see that you are blind friend.
1. It would take a years deep dive but you could probably go as far back as after the year Ben got injured that I would have said Rudy should have got a chance to qb this team. Sink or swim. And high likelihood of sink but that wouod mean high draft pick.
2. Rudy has gotten probably close to 400 opportunities to prove it. You can wow coaches in practice. He has not.
3. KP was winning games with this team that I believe Mitch probably could too snd same with Rudy. But Kenny was in his 1st year not his 4th or 5th when Rudy was holding clip boards. He has a ton of talent and upside. If you don't see that you are blind friend.
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Mason has already proven your theory quite wrong. Mason has a winning record as the starter, I believe had he not got knocked out against the Ravens he finishes that season with us in the playoffs.. He would IMO do as well or better record wise as Mitch if starting for an extended period. He would give the receivers a better chance to make plays. He is just more likely to get injured because of his willingness to stand in the pocket to make a throw. Mitch is fine when he doesn't think but he sucks when he has a week to think about the game.
Lets just hope KP doesn't get hurt so it is all meaningless.
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1. Lets just say for argument sake that the team decided to go a different direction than Pickett and just went into 2022 with Rudolph as the starter. We don't get a high draft pick. Rudolph's ceiling is still unknown but is floor is. He is a more TD than INT QB. He wins more than he loses. If he would have failed it wouldn't have been with a bad stat line it would have been with an "ok" stat line. And if that would have been what he produced so be it. But we will never know.
2. Yep, 384 to be exact. Pickett has had 389 opportunities to prove it so with his numbers it looks like we should just give up on him I guess.
3. Kenny was still 24. The same age Mason was in 2019. Where did I say Pickett doesn't have upside?
I tend to agree with some of what both of you say here. I've always thought if Rudolph didn't get KO'd v. Baltimore he might have went another way. But he did snd it didn't. He had 5 years to seize an opportunity by leaving no doubt in practice and he did not. Everyone expects a second year jump from a player. They expect it from Kenny now and he needs to deliver. First rounders always get more opportunity. Tgats part of why Mitch got this look. But Mason Rudolph was on the open market. 31 other professional evaluators looked at his tape and said pass. I'm sorry boys but that says something.
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Again I don’t care what 31 other teams thought the ONLY question here is who is better on OUR team, Mason or Mitch. At this point I would go with Mason.
I wouldn’t make any decisions on one preseason game….
Rudolph's ceiling is unknown 
this will bring comedy gold to my house all week long.
this will bring comedy gold to my house all week long.I gave that a thumbs up because at this point I find that laughable.
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Why? What gives you any confidence in Mitch? Mason has won more games for us than he has lost. He played well last game Mitch played poorly. On our team between those two why do you think Mitch is better? Mitch has looked good only once really for us and that came in a relief appearance. We aren't trying to compare either of them to KP or say they should be starting. This is simply about our 2 and 3 slot.