Illegal immigrant charged with Mollie Tibbetts' murder

[DBS1970]

And the second.........oh wait......no it was days after the priest molestation scandal happened that I posted it.

Why? Because no one else did...300 priests molesting over 1000 children IN PENNSYLVANIA.....A PITTSBURGH PENNSYLVANIA STEELERS MESSAGE BOARD.......and not a peep.

Not a peep.....my....my...

Why is this? As you said: it doesn't fit the agenda.

You started a thread yourself the day the story broke.

 

[Superman]

SM, I know what the law is as does everyone else, doesn't mean the law is going to be followed, it's broken everyday. No one wants crime, not by illegals and not by AMERICANS either. Of course I'd like to see all crimes reduced. But this logic of "liberals want open borders" stuff is just more hyperbole washed, rinsed and repeated by trump and his base. It's old and tired. I'm not a liberal and I'm not saying there aren't those on the extreme left who would verbalize that, but I'm not one of them and I don't know ANYONE who wants that. I'm confused why isn't this understood? Do you stand for everything the extreme right or alt-right does? I'm sure not, so why would you think illegal immigration is accepted by everyone on the left? It just isn't. But this has been discussed over and over. I'm not being a smart ***, these are genuine questions. I'm just trying to have a reasonable discussion without pointing fingers...I think that can be done, right?

83, you really want to know why? look no further than the post below - a carefully worded insinuation that all employers who lean right hire illegal immigrants to work for them. not just some. all.

I'm not naive enough to believe that everyone on the left wants open borders, but i do see more people on the left calling for that than they do for enforcing legal immigration. I'm absolutely sure you can agree with that statement. In fact, I see more "**** the police" from those on the left than I do from the right. I see more kneeling during the national anthem by those on the left than I do those on the right. Can you agree with that? When that last ******** was picked up by ICE while driving his wife to the hospital, my Facebook feed was absolutely flooded with cries about how inhumane ICE is, how uncaring, heartless, etc. Yet not a word about the person and their family this guy allegedly killed. Even after more facts came out and this guy IS in fact who the Mexican authorities were looking for, not a ******* peep. Why is that?

To answer more of your questions, i don't associate with anyone who considers themselves extreme right nor alt-right. No matter how broad a brush those on the left like to paint with - Tibs included. I believe Tibs goes for the shock value in his posts, though. Previously, he would argue his stance with facts and figures. Lately, he's been throwing **** left and right, not giving a **** where it splatters. Tim, the Ogre, Steeltime, etc, just want current laws enforced. We don't go trying to inject racism and feels into laws so as to find a way to be offended.

It sure would help if people stopped hiring illegals, giving them legitimacy and a safe haven, like this GOP official did for years.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Update: Farm owned by family of Craig Lang, prominent Iowa farmer and GOP official, confirms that it has employed suspect in Mollie Tibbetts' death for the last four years</p>— Ryan J. Foley (@rjfoley) <a href="https://twitter.com/rjfoley/status/1032092477707235328?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 22, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[Tibs]

At least the family gets it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Mollie Tibbets’ family just condemned <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a>’s use of her death to make racist attacks: "What happened to Mollie was an awful, heinous act—But please do not compound the atrocity of what happened to her by adding racism and hate to the equation" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DworkinReport?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DworkinReport</a></p>— Scott Dworkin (@funder) <a href="https://twitter.com/funder/status/1032447922120650752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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[thesteelcity]

At least the family gets it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Mollie Tibbets’ family just condemned <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a>’s use of her death to make racist attacks: "What happened to Mollie was an awful, heinous act—But please do not compound the atrocity of what happened to her by adding racism and hate to the equation" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DworkinReport?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DworkinReport</a></p>— Scott Dworkin (@funder) <a href="https://twitter.com/funder/status/1032447922120650752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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I never felt this was a race issue, but an illegal immigrant issue that murdered a college student jogging. What did I miss that DT made it into racism?

 

[BAS]

I saw that Tibbetts' killer passed the e-verify background check. So how could that have happened but he's still here illegally?

As I understand it, he lied about his name.

 

[Sarge]

What did I miss that DT made it into racism?

Nothing.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

As I understand it, he lied about his name.

Makes sense then. Makes me wonder how many others have lied about their names and are clear on e-verify.

 

[Tibs]

What did I miss that DT made it into racism?

Nothing.

Trump Is Shamelessly Using Mollie Tibbetts’s Murder to Incite Hate
https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/trump-sees-an-opportunity-in-the-murder-of-mollie-tibbetts.html

During his rally in West Virginia on Tuesday night, the president included Tibbetts in his racist talking points about immigration. Wedged between pledges to build a border wall and his vendetta against MS-13, the president used Tibbetts’s death to make a point: Immigrants are dangerous.

“You heard about today, with the illegal alien coming in, very sadly from Mexico,” Trump said, in his best attempt at somberness. “And you saw what happened to that incredible, beautiful young woman. It should have never happened. Illegally in our country.”

“We’ve had a huge impact, but the laws are so bad,” he continued. “The immigration laws are such a disgrace, we’re getting them changed. But we have to get more Republicans.”

Moments after the president’s speech ended, Tibbetts’s family members began posting on social media, pleading that her death not be used to further racist, anti-immigrant sentiments. But it was too late.

Tibbetts’s last Instagram post, a selfie, has over 5,000 comments. Many are “rest in peace” and “gone too soon” notes from strangers. But others are filled with hatred about immigrants, about Mexicans, and about women. Fox News and some conservative websites also took the bait and expressed outrage over Tibbetts’s death at the hands of an immigrant.

The official Twitter account for the White House tweeted out a video of weepy white women talking about family members lost to immigrants, and again calling Tibbetts’s killer an “illegal alien.”

This is not even the first time Trump himself has done it. There was the time he took an ad out for the death of five black teens for the rape of a white woman in Central Park. (The teens had nothing to do with the attack.) Or when he called Mexicans rapists, and when criticized, doubled down on those remarks.

While it is not new, it is still just as vile. And Tibbetts doesn’t have a chance to set the record straight. Only through the pleas of her grief-stricken family do we know that Tibbetts would not have wanted Trump to become her mouthpiece.

Like so many times before, Trump has used a woman’s body for his own gain. Mollie Tibbetts’s corpse is now his podium, and he will spew whatever vitriolic rhetoric advances his party’s goals.

Chris Cuomo spells it out pretty clearly:

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[Superman]

Tibs - was the ************ here illegally or not?
yes or no

 

[Tibs]

Tibs - was the ************ here illegally or not? yes or no

Yes indeed, it seems that he was. Was Stephen Paddock an American citizen, here legally? What's your point?

 

[Sarge]

At least the family gets it.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BREAKING: Mollie Tibbets’ family just condemned <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@realDonaldTrump</a>’s use of her death to make racist attacks: "What happened to Mollie was an awful, heinous act—But please do not compound the atrocity of what happened to her by adding racism and hate to the equation" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DworkinReport?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DworkinReport</a></p>— Scott Dworkin (@funder) <a href="https://twitter.com/funder/status/1032447922120650752?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 23, 2018</a></blockquote>
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Turns out Dworkin lied. Again. But he does that a lot, spreading lies and half truths. CNN has an article about what was said. If the family had said what Dworkin said they did, it would be the main headline. No, they don't want her death politicized, but there was no condemnation of Trump. You KNOW if they had said that CNN would be all over it. That's one article from CNN I kinda trust.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/23/us/mollie-tibbetts-iowa-student-death/index.html

 

[Tibs]

Yes Sarge, it seems the family's response was more general, geared towards anyone using her death for political gain. It's tough to argue they wouldn't have considered Trump's comments to be a part of that, but on your more narrow point, you are correct.

 

[oneforthebus]

Yes indeed, it seems that he was. Was Stephen Paddock an American citizen, here legally? What's your point?

What's your point? We already have murderers here anyway so what's a few more?

 

[Sarge]

Trump Is Shamelessly Using Mollie Tibbetts’s Murder to Incite Hate
https://www.thecut.com/2018/08/trump-sees-an-opportunity-in-the-murder-of-mollie-tibbetts.html

1) Chris Cuomo is a ******* tard. Spongebob regularly beats him in the ratings.

2) If a person hates Mexicans or blacks or Jews or whatever, they didn't start hating them because of Trump.

3) Libs politicize death on the regular. Every time there is a shooting of some kind, for example, unless of course it happens in Chicago, Baltimore or any other major American city, or if an illegal immigrant kills a white person. Now, we have a president that actually wants to enforce the law, and he is called racist for it. That is all the left is anymore. If you do not ascribe to their world view, you are a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, islamophobe, sexist, misogynist, a Putin Lover or a Russian. I am none of those things, but since I am a white, straight, conservative American male, I am all of those things to the left.

 

[oneforthebus]

I saw that Tibbetts' killer passed the e-verify background check. So how could that have happened but he's still here illegally?

Probably a stolen social security number.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/22/14-million-illegals-working-stolen-social-security/

 

[Tibs]

If you do not ascribe to their world view, you are a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, islamophobe, sexist, misogynist, a Putin Lover or a Russian...I am all of those things to the left.

For whatever it's worth, you are none of those things to me.

 

[Steelworth]

Trump Is Shamelessly Using Mollie Tibbetts’s Murder to Incite Hate

Did he say if he had a daughter, she'd look like Mollie Tibbetts? Yeah, politicians never politicize tragic events to push an agenda, it's only Trump.

 

[Tibs]

Did he say if he had a daughter, she'd look like Mollie Tibbetts? Yeah, politicians never politicize tragic events to push an agenda, it's only Trump.

No it's not only Trump. But he's doing it now. And we're currently living in the now. Are we not?

 

[Sarge]

Did he say if he had a daughter, she'd look like Mollie Tibbetts? Yeah, politicians never politicize tragic events to push an agenda, it's only Trump.

Damn, I had forgotten about that one.

 

[oneforthebus]

This has absolutely nothing to do with his race. It has to do with the fact that an American citizen was murdered by someone who should not have been in this country.

What one earth does his race have to do with that? Nothing.

 

[Tibs]

Damn, I had forgotten about that one.

Yes, and Obama was admonished for it mercilessly. Many here claimed he set back race relations for years for speaking out about the murders of black youth. Yet somehow it's okay, now that Trump's doing it? /scratches head

 

[Buster]

Makes sense then. Makes me wonder how many others have lied about their names and are clear on e-verify.

A few years ago, at the bank I work drive, we had a Hispanic owned carpet company. Two different employees would come in to cash their payroll checks. They provided drivers licenses with the exact same information but each have their own individual picture on it. I can only imagine how much of that is going on across the United States .

 

[Steelworth]

No it's not only Trump. But he's doing it now. And we're currently living in the now. Are we not?

Yes, we are. And if his agenda is to spearhead closing loopholes in the broken immigration system, I don't see that as such a bad thing. This guy passed E-Verify and was in the country for possibly up to 7 years? That's a broken system.

 

[83fan]

Yes, and Obama was admonished for it mercilessly. Many here claimed he set back race relations for years for speaking out about the murders of black youth. Yet somehow it's okay, now that Trump's doing it? /scratches head

As he should have been. I HATED that whole thing...who was that again? Was it that Trayvon Martin kid? I seriously can't remember. That was a ridiculous statement then and it would be now. I stated earlier murders shouldn't be politicized, that means ALL murders. It's shameful and disgusting when it's done by whomever, but damn own up to it when it is. Too much to ask for I suppose.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

This has absolutely nothing to do with his race. It has to do with the fact that an American citizen was murdered by someone who should not have been in this country.

What one earth does his race have to do with that? Nothing.

Because he's Mexican. If he had been a WHITE illegal from Russia or wherever, it wouldn't be an issue.