As a golf writer once said, "God put better wiring in some people than He did in others".
James Harrison....weightlifting animal....
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And you're concerned of the perception of him because of his training..... who cares? Can't fix stupid and most non Steeler fans will look for any reason to whine -- anyone with enough time to do that has enough problems of their own.
I'd say more accurately I'm concerned about added scrutiny because of the workout videos coupled with my personal opinion that it is highly likely that his supplements are probably on the edge. Cause in the end, when I see a player that looks broken down three years ago and is 37 years old and appears to have a rebirth, yeah I get skeptical.
What rebirth? he was injured and recovered from those injuries. He plays hard but it is clear to see he isn't the same person. It was also stated by Porter that his game time minutes would lessen this upcoming season.
"Highly likely" because you pulled a opinion out of your *** with no factual basis. That is rich misguided but rich. The guy loves to workout so he posts videos I really don't see the big deal, or do I equate it to supplements. It isn't like he is two times bigger than he was 10 years ago. Like the song perhaps he is half the man he used to be.... but the heart and determination is still 100% go, and the hours spent working on his body is unequaled by the majority.
I am very skeptical that you have even a small percentile clue on what you are referencing. But by all means impress everyone with your infinite wisdom.
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Here is some infinite wisdom for you. **** OFF WITH YOUR SARCASM. I guess we will see and I hope you are all right. At 37 years old I think there is a good chance he will test positive or completely blow something out. But by all means I absolutely hope he has a fantastic season in his role with the team. He adds a ton of intensity to this defense (something it sorrowfully lacks). I was there for his first day of his comeback. Stadium went nuts. What this team really needs is for Bud Dupree and and Jarvis Jones to play like a young James Harrison. Though in Jones case I'd settle for a young Clarke Haggans.
Oh you dislike sarcasm but we are supposed to like you taking one of our hardest working players on the team and belittling him with your pill popping (powder, steroids, whatever) theories wonderful.
And now your dreaming up a injury. great. Sure that could happen could happen to any player in the NFL, every older player in the NFL as well.
It is just as likely in a limited role that he plays out the year.
I don't have a problem with peoples opinions...... it is when they try to force that opinion as factual or probable, that irritates me.
You sir are a first class ***. Show me with a direct quote, where I said one thing in this thread that has anything to do with anything other than the fact that I think it is irresponsible for him to draw this type of attention to big strength at age 37 (Which like I said, if James Harrison was a Raven and not a Steeler, you would all be very skeptical). Or that I said any of it is anything but a skeptical opinion So I'm sorry if I spoiled your boyhood type idolatry of James Harrison, but he does have a history of poor choices ( domestic violence) and drawing negative attention to himself (pissing on the Commissioner and throwing his team mate under the bus in the post Super Bowl loss article.)
again bullshit it has all to do with knowing the history of James Harrison. To know he has always been a workout warrior. It is ridiculous that his workout video bother you. It is downright silly.
I don't pull negative assumptions out of my *** and pass them off as probable regardless of the player or team. Boyhood idolatry or is it I just am not falling in line with your far fetched theories.
He has a history of poor choices ? one incident
Laughing at Goodell's targeting of him, as throwing that on James. As if Goodell isn't a tool who screwed up the way D was meant to be played.
Sorry not buying the bullshit you are selling. If that makes me a first class *** sobeit.
You ever hit your wife dude? You ever had to take a course to stay out of the justice system? Goodell is a tool, but poking the bear in that situation was a bad idea and selfish. His team had enough negative run ins at that point. And you don't throw your team mate under the bus, no matter what. Notice you didn't answer that one chief.
I didn't respond to it because it was very small scale as in he had a opinion he voiced it. Maybe he said a few things he shouldn't, but that still doesn't mean he is doing supplements etc..
If you were a lawyer trying to present your case, James would have walked on circumstantial evidence not pertaining to what he is being accused of.
Oh I forgot to post my law credentials as I thought this was a message board where people presented their opinions. I never realized it was a court of law and there were evidence standards. And let me make my opinion perfectly clear. I don't care if he is juiced. Just don't get caught. Hell I am of the OPINION that vurtually all of them are using supplements that are well beyond traditional steriods could do. Now if his feat of strength videos get to **** head Gingers office you can make damn sure he will be saying to himself "well James you may not Piss on me if I was on fire but you will be Pissing in this cup an extra couple of times in the testing cycle."
I will say this Back surgery was successful and the recovery took more than a year but was also successful, kinda like Paytons neck.
Read last night when he moved to Cinci he was spending 600,000 on body maintenance. Allowing say 400,000 for the big tickets like massage and and acupuncture and hyperbaric chambers that would allow for 200,000 for as he put it, "Supplements and so forth". Guess he doesn't shop at GNC.
Don't forget things like off season training in Arizona, high profile personal trainers, to have lots of exclusive time for things like that is expensive particularly if he is including his food and lodging in the mix. If he just wanted to do some illegal substance they can be procured very cheaply, there is someone selling them in nearly every gym in the country and they are cheap enough for guys with relatively low paying jobs to purchase. The short cuts are cheap, doing it through work outs and training are expensive, toss in the fees of real medical professionals such as physical therapists and the costs go up quite a bit.
Roids themselves won't give you bigger muscles and make you stronger, they just help the recovery and allow you to work harder, which gives you bigger muscles and makes you stronger.
I don't think that Deebo does steroids. Proper training and nutrition alone will make some people that big and strong. This is why 0.00000707 of the U.S. population are professional football players and we are not. I don't think I work out particularly hard but I'm 54 with some arthritis and I REALLY don't want to tear my rotator cuff again. Still I've been at it for a long time and I put down some of the youngsters at the gym without trying ("Holy ****, look at the old guy!") but even when I was younger I could have lived in the gym and taken all the 'roids in the world and I wasn't going to be a pro football player or hit a major league curveball. A man's got to know his limitations.
I don't think that Deebo does steroids. Proper training and nutrition alone will make some people that big and strong. This is why 0.00000707 of the U.S. population are professional football players and we are not. I don't think I work out particularly hard but I'm 54 with some arthritis and I REALLY don't want to tear my rotator cuff again. Still I've been at it for a long time and I put down some of the youngsters at the gym without trying ("Holy ****, look at the old guy!") but even when I was younger I could have lived in the gym and taken all the 'roids in the world and I wasn't going to be a pro football player or hit a major league curveball. A man's got to know his limitations.
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He doesn't take Steroids. Even if he spends 10 percent of his body maintanance budget on supplements. That 60 K per year. I read an article in April about a synthetic hormone that I believe was originally supposed to be used for Prostate problems or something. It is a class of drugs called SARMS and the most popular is mk-677. It has wayyyyy more effect than steroids, is hard to detect, has no water retention and unlike steroids the gains tend to be long lasting when you cycle off. Downside is the are hugely expensive and you are literally a human guinea pig. The thing crapped out in animal trials for its medical purpose but it being used extensively by body builders.
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Irresponsible? Are you kidding me? Nothing has changed with the way that he trains. He trained this way his entire career. You can go back and search thru quotes from Farrior and Hampton that no one works out with Deebo because people get hurt trying to work out with Deebo. He's setting an example to the younger generation, to the younger teammates, and to his younger fans that it takes hard work to accomplish the things you want in life. Nothing is handed to you, but you think he's going to get popped for PED's because he's 37 now because he's posting some workout video's? He's been posting video's for the last few years when he started to be more active on social media.
Him being 37 has nothing to do with anything. 37 is not ancient, it might be "old" for football, but it's not old for working out. Your "skeptical opinion" tho is based on a lack of knowledge and media hype about PED's. If Harrison was going to get popped for PED's it would have happened already, posting some video's on instagram and facebook isn't going to change the PED testing process.
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MK 667 is not that new and there are already derivatives out. I think the first study was published in mid-90s and I knew people taking it soon after under the name L163. It basically does the same thing as GHRP-6 except you don't have to take the needle. There are a ton of magical mystical claims out for it right now and I urge anyone to research it completely if they plan on taking it. For example, make sure the paper you look at did FULL blood and urine workup on the test subjects every time. You are going to be shocked as how ****** some of the science was. Anyway, I do not believe that you maintain any gains long term once you get off - although probably longer than just running test alone.
I'm not saying it does not work. On the contrary, it DOES work but some have found it does increase cortisol and other have found no increase. Some get gyno and other dont. t is hard to tell exactly what it does in "real life" because most people that take it are also blasting test, deca, tren, and probably arimidex too. As far as the no-gyno claim - I'll wait and see because if you are prone to gyno you are going to get ***** ****. I would also be concerned about the long term effects of increased GH and IGF and looking like a neanderthal from basically inducing acromegaly. Don't get me wrong spiking your growth hormone levels is great for performance but keeping them high - no so much.
Another antidotal thing is that you would probably need to stack it with other stuff if you are in a calorie surplus. The few people that I know that tried it during a bulking phase got fat as ****. I mean seriously fat - Way more bloat that the normal gear that they were running, I'm talking fat fat. Seemed to work better for people who were cutting though. If I were to guess, I would say the increased GH and IGF was making them hungry as hell they were just chunking food and not tracking macros properly.
I have no problem with anyone taking it (obviously, I have friends that do) but PLEASE look into it before running it and make sure it is no fake. Do I take it? **** no. I'm near 50, chubby, feel pretty good, and I'm happy. Would I? Sure. If I start feeling like **** and my already low test levels drop into the clinically low range I would get on gear no problem.
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It would not shock me at all if Harrison gets busted for PED's. I thought the same thing about Aaron Smith as well. I'm sure many Steelers over the past 15 years have used PED's and gotten away with them. Because I think there are many in the league getting away with it as well.
I have no idea or no proof or smoke to come to these conclusions other than just my gut instincts at watching athletes for the least 30 years.
I have no idea or no proof or smoke to come to these conclusions other than just my gut instincts at watching athletes for the least 30 years.
And the realistic crowd that doesn't care because we all know that the majority of this league takes PED's and that the Steelers aren't the white hats in some old western puts its hands together clap, clap, clap, clap clap.
Or many of us realize that the guys that got into the game got in because they were rare athletes in the first place and likely to be much better than most with out anything other than working out and training. The claim everyone does it is just bullshit, I will not speculate on your motives for bullshit spreading, but think of this all of these kids were tested when they came into the league at the combine and they performed very well while not testing positive. It would not be that much of a stretch to think that a naturally gifted person could still do well by training hard and maintaining a diet that most of us could only dream of.
Here is why I disagree. Tony Manderich played 24- 12 years ago. He was a complete juice monster. His brother played in the CFL and was called John the Juice. His brother died in his early 30's of cancer linked to Steroid use. Now guys are ROUTINELY Tony Manderich's size in the NFL. You can talk all you want about modern training and nutrition. And again it isn't steroids. Its modern PED's in many forms and supplements that do a hell of a lot more than the old steroids did.
Sounds like your mind is made up and you don't need any facts, innuendo seems to be good for you.
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Boy, that's the head in the sand opinion of performance enhancing drugs.
The NFL loves fans like you.
The "testing" you seem to say is so stringent and catches everyone is a joke. Has been forever. Not even close to Olympic standards and those aren't really where they should be (if you think there is no PED's in the Olympics because they "test" you aren't paying attention).
There is only ONE way to really do effective drug testing and that is to take blood from a person who is perfectly clean (and how/when we do that is up to debate) for about 3-4 months on a regular schedule and create a baseline of what that person's "blood" looks like and then every test after that has to be close to that baseline. It has to be blood tests.
The current urine test is known to have a wide range, so the test requires an absurd "out of range" testosterone level to trigger a positive test. Something like FOUR times the normal testosterone ratio for your normal everyday 25 year old.
The truth is, there is no reason for an athlete NOT to try and monitor and increase his testosterone on a small scale (even twice the testosterone would provide a significant increase in muscle production and recovery). Plus the use of HGH (which is not being tested for) works best when combined with some form of low-level increases in testosterone.
I suspect over 50% of all NFL athletes are doing some type of low level testosterone boosters along with some type of growth hormone. It's all such a perfect science now that cocktails of creams, testosterone boosters, HGH, supplements and diet can yield HUGE results. And there are nefarious individuals and companies that hide behind the supplement industry (with no oversight) and are basically just human chemists that know exactly what really works and can get past the tests.
Exactly Del!! and consider this. A large percent of NFL players comes from impoverished backgrounds. Now a very small percentage of players actually makes the NFL out of the large numbers in NCAA. So if your choice was to go back to difficult financial prospects or reach just a little farther, What would you do?
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