KP pre-season vs in season play.

[MT~Forged]

Go back and watch the pre-season play of KP. What is different? A number of things, but the biggest is that they allowed him to actually be the QB, and use the whole field.

Sure the D was extremely vanilla and playing guys that are not now, but he was making the throws.

They chose to invest in a QB, if the HC will not allow him to play, then a change needs to happen. Either move on from the HC or QB. Thing is Ben, Rudy, Duck, Mitch, and now Kenny ALL had the same results.

This tells ME that it must be the HC is he the person that needs to go. Could it turn out to be multiple problems? Sure it could, but it could also go the other way too. You will never know, if you don’t try.

Even if it turns out Mediocre Mike isn’t the problem, he is still mediocre.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

How about the answer being both?
It's time for Mike to go. Both he and the team need a reset.
The system does KP no favors but, KP does the team none either when he 1) is inaccurate 2) locks onto receivers 3) fails to read the defense 4) lets his happy feet run him into sacks ... I mean there's more but, it boils down to:
1) No team is going to be great with this type of offensive system/playcalling
2) No team is going to be great with this type of QB play.
I don't care which came first, chicken or egg. BBQ the chicken and fry the egg.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Pickett is absolutely better than what he's showing. As you said, the HC doesn't allow him to play the position and he looks like he has no confidence in his own abilities. I'm not sure he can recover any of that on this team unless they bring in a new OC that actually allows Pickett to play the position. Even if a new QB is brought in, would Tomlin let him throw the ball all over the field?

 

[slashsteel]

Team needs a reboot. They have needed it for quite some time.

 

[madinsomniac]

https://www.steelernation.com/2023/11/19/steelers-mike-tomlin-completely-browns-2023?fbclid=IwAR2c7apSBWlX--YqJ1qwnSVie2H-O17Xqsdud2HrNy2NHp5Ox_kfUVmUmSE

Tomlin doesn’t criticize because the QB and OC are doing what he wants… well except this time tgey didn’t play a flawless 4th quarter

 

[MT~Forged]

Even if a new QB is brought in, would Tomlin let him throw the ball all over the field?

no, he would not. Hell, even made a HOF QB come to heel.

 

[madinsomniac]

See I think KP might be ruined because of massively inconsistent pass blocking… but id ratger him start 3 more years until we have a legitimate line and different OC before we even try anyone else.

If KP develops, great… if he doesn’t at least we aren’t just bringing in more prospects to burn needlessly

 

[warriors42]

KP and Canada are a match made in hell. I honestly think the offense is held back by Canada but I also think Canada is held back by Pickett. Picket is not our QB of the future and the whole Bradshaw argument of how he sucked and then led us to the promise land is crazy. Bradshaw played in a time where you could shoot or stab the QB than pile drive him into the ground, KP plays in a time where the QB SHOULD be wearing a dress.

I watched KP close today, I don't know how many times I saw plays where I was saying "In Ben's rookie year he would have spun out of that and bought himself time to find a receiver." KP might make a good back up but he is not a NFL starting QB. Like SteelBuckeye said, inaccurate, locks onto recievers, can't read the defense and has happy feet. I will also add that he is SLOWWWWWW in making a decision and releasing the ball.

Kenny does not look Like a first round QB that will have a successful career and conquer all. Almost all first round QB's go to ****** teams, almost all of them struggle but the greats always flash greatness in spite of the struggles, Kenny does not flash greatness he flashes I should have Been picked in the third round.

 

[SteelerFan448]

It's plays like these we see every week when I say that Pickett isn't making the most of the few opportunities that he does have. You want your starting QB to step up and make this type of throw.

 

[SteelerFanRC]

Wait, I didn't even read the entire thread. Someone is comparing preseason against vanilla defenses with regular season? Seriously?

 

[warriors42]

See I think KP might be ruined because of massively inconsistent pass blocking… but id ratger him start 3 more years until we have a legitimate line and different OC before we even try anyone else.

If KP develops, great… if he doesn’t at least we aren’t just bringing in more prospects to burn needlessly

If we put KP on the trading block can anyone honestly say they think we would get higher than a 3rd round pick for him? there are going to be probably four or five legit first rounders in the 24 draft do we pass and hang onto someone that has not proven he can lead us.

 

[slashsteel]

If we put KP on the trading block can anyone honestly say they think we would get higher than a 3rd round pick for him? there are going to be probably four or five legit first rounders in the 24 draft do we pass and hang onto someone that has not proven he can lead us.

If you don't make changes at the top it won't matter if you draft another QB.

Not that I am against completion. Not convinced anything they do in the draft would matter at this point.

 

[Steeltime]

It's plays like these we see every week when I say that Pickett isn't making the most of the few opportunities that he does have. You want your starting QB to step up and make this type of throw.

That's exactly the play I talked about in the game thread. DJ is WIDE ******* OPEN. Throw the damn ball, Pickett.

 

[madinsomniac]

If we put KP on the trading block can anyone honestly say they think we would get higher than a 3rd round pick for him? there are going to be probably four or five legit first rounders in the 24 draft do we pass and hang onto someone that has not proven he can lead us.

If we draft another qb we aren’t gonna get better production until the line is way better… either the guy will develop happy feet like pickett, or he will get murdered in the pocket

 

[slashsteel]

That's exactly the play I talked about in the game thread. DJ is WIDE ******* OPEN. Throw the damn ball, Pickett.

Yep as I looked at this game as a game that was winnable and he trotted out ten points. Very disappointed with Kenny today, very.

 

[steelreeling]

Go back and watch the pre-season play of KP. What is different? A number of things, but the biggest is that they allowed him to actually be the QB, and use the whole field.

Sure the D was extremely vanilla and playing guys that are not now, but he was making the throws.

They chose to invest in a QB, if the HC will not allow him to play, then a change needs to happen. Either move on from the HC or QB. Thing is Ben, Rudy, Duck, Mitch, and now Kenny ALL had the same results.

This tells ME that it must be the HC is he the person that needs to go. Could it turn out to be multiple problems? Sure it could, but it could also go the other way too. You will never know, if you don’t try.

Even if it turns out Mediocre Mike isn’t the problem, he is still mediocre.

And i recall last year - about half way thru - the fans put up such a bitchfest about Matt Canada and the offense that the playcalling was changed significantly and the middle of the field was no longer off-limits.
Back half of the year, the Steelers dominated on offense and ripped off 4 straight wins.

This year - idk maybe it be best to tank, get a high, high draft pick and fire Mike Tomlin.
i mean how many "stars" does a team need before they can make a serious playoff run? Perhaps maybe just one good coach.

 

[jitter77]

That's exactly the play I talked about in the game thread. DJ is WIDE ******* OPEN. Throw the damn ball, Pickett.

yes DJ was wide open, but Pickett was looking the other way. By the time he looked right the pass rush was there. DJ was obviously not the #1 read because pickett was not looking his direction, which is why the offense stinks.

 

[Steelr4evr]

See I think KP might be ruined because of massively inconsistent pass blocking… but id ratger him start 3 more years until we have a legitimate line and different OC before we even try anyone else.

If KP develops, great… if he doesn’t at least we aren’t just bringing in more prospects to burn needlessly

Big difference of what I see in his face from last year to this year. That sounds like a great idea, but the team needs a full reboot. A HC,OC and DC.

They could use a good qb coach and a great OL coach as well.


These players deserve to have top tier coaching and great offensive and defensive minds. That's all there is to it. You may as well get that all in place before even thinking about drafting another qb. Which at the going rate of finishing middle of the pack every year will be late first round.

 

[bigben]

The way this defense is getting turnovers a good top 10 QB on this team and we would be on top of the afc. The defense and running game gift wrapped another one and kenny crapped the bed

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

The way this defense is getting turnovers a good top 10 QB on this team and we would be on top of the afc. The defense and running game gift wrapped another one and kenny crapped the bed

This is where people arent sure. Is it kenny not doing the right things.. or is Canadas offense so inept.

 

[Sarge]

This is where people arent sure. Is it kenny not doing the right things.. or is Canadas offense so inept.

It's both.

 

[slashsteel]

This is where people arent sure. Is it kenny not doing the right things.. or is Canadas offense so inept.

Both. It started out Canada and morphed into both. Now I am unsure if it is fixable.

 

[DesertSteel]

Pickett is OVERTHINKING everything! It's crippling. He has a couple seconds to process things and get into throwing motion. There's not time to overthink. In preseason he wasn't overthinking anything, just playing. The vanilla defenses helped for sure. But right now, he's a deer in the headlights.

 

[Steeler Pride]

yes DJ was wide open, but Pickett was looking the other way. By the time he looked right the pass rush was there. DJ was obviously not the #1 read because pickett was not looking his direction, which is why the offense stinks.

They were running crossing routes, he HAD to see DJ running uncovered when the routes crossed. If he cannot see that, he will not be a starting QB for long in the NFL.

 

[Confluence]

Thankfully, Kenny is way better than Zach Wilson, because he just got benched for a warm camp body.