KP pre-season vs in season play.

[Steel Reign]

Can't throw the baby out with the bath water or something. Here, we need to throw out the bath water (coaching) but baby needs a stern warning that when the new system is in place next year he is on a SHORT leash. Yes, I am putting babies on leashes.

 

[MT~Forged]

This is where people arent sure. Is it kenny not doing the right things.. or is Canadas offense so inept.

This is why a change has to be made somewhere. The Steelers have made changes at OC’s over the years, yet most of the issues continue. This leads me to believe that the biggest issue is at HC.

But getting back to the question of KP, Is he truly the problem? We have seen the same problems, to differing degrees, from EVERY QB since Canada has been in charge. The common denominator here is OC & HC. If the OC is replaced, and philosophy remains, is it the OC or QB?

At this point you have to look at all the team issues and determine where the problem is. I personally think it is highly unlikely that ALL of the QB’s, OC, DC, ST, Ol coach, etc. are all at fault at the SAME moment in time over a period of years.

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

They were running crossing routes, he HAD to see DJ running uncovered when the routes crossed. If he cannot see that, he will not be a starting QB for long in the NFL.

could explain that dump pass to warren in the flat, it was immediate and he didnt bother to look to the right at pickens. Maybe he is shell shocked .

 

[MT~Forged]

could explain that dump pass to warren in the flat, it was immediate and he didnt bother to look to the right at pickens. Maybe he is shell shocked .

Until KP gets the chance to run a real offense, you will never know if it is really him. Period, end of story.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Yet another week I'm seeing all-22 of Pickett missing wide open receivers for touchdowns or big plays. These aren't plays a starting QB should be missing, he's just not making the correct throws.

 

[slashsteel]

Yet another week I'm seeing all-22 of Pickett missing wide open receivers for touchdowns or big plays. These aren't plays a starting QB should be missing, he's just not making the correct throws.

If that wasn't his worst performance Sunday it was close to it.

 

[SteelerFan448]

If that wasn't his worst performance Sunday it was close to it.

He looks like a beaten man. It didn't help watching an experienced fifth rounder outplay him on the other side of the field or DeVito throw more TDs in a single game than he's thrown in the past 7 weeks.

 

[slashsteel]

He looks like a beaten man. It didn't help watching an experienced fifth rounder outplay him on the other side of the field or DeVito throw more TDs in a single game than he's thrown in the past 7 weeks.

Yeah looks like he is hitting a wall. Unfortunately our other options blow chunks and Canada is still here regardless. An impossible scenario with what is available and what is being thrown out there.

 

[SteelerFan448]

Yeah looks like he is hitting a wall. Unfortunately our other options blow chunks and Canada is still here regardless. An impossible scenario with what is available and what is being thrown out there.

The Canada offense is a glaring issue as we've seen every QB perform below expectations.

TD% in Canada's offense
Kenny Pickett 1.9%
Mitch Trubisky 2.4% (4.1% with the Bears)
Mason Rudolph 1.7% (4.6% with Fichtner)
Ben Roethlisberger 3.6% with Canada (5.4% in 2020 with Fichtner)

 

[slashsteel]

The Canada offense is a glaring issue as we've seen every QB perform below expectations.

TD% in Canada's offense
Kenny Pickett 1.9%
Mitch Trubisky 2.4% (4.1% with the Bears)
Mason Rudolph 1.7% (4.6% with Fichtner)
Ben Roethlisberger 3.6% with Canada (5.4% in 2020 with Fichtner)

Good research. Look at the Canada to Fichtner comparisons. Something Kenny never had the luxury of.

 

[slashsteel]

To piggyback Aditi (who isn't popular with some Steelers fans said this)

 

[ZonaBurgh]

To piggyback Aditi (who isn't popular with some Steelers fans said this)

KP may not be the guy, but you can't argue with what she says.
Hard to believe an OC could be worse than Fichtner, but there you have it.

 

[Greg Lloyd]

Even if it turns out Mediocre Mike isn’t the problem, he is still mediocre.

And exactly what is this great fear of loss fans seem to have if we fire Shades? That we may have a losing season? So? At least we'd have a chance of being more than 9-8 for once. It's worth the gamble, for sure.

 

[MT~Forged]

And exactly what is this great fear of loss fans seem to have if we fire Shades? That we may have a losing season? So? At least we'd have a chance of being more than 9-8 for once. It's worth the gamble, for sure.

Some people are so afraid of failure, they will accept almost anything rather than take the risk. Ex. Pittsburgh Steelers ownership.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

It's plays like these we see every week when I say that Pickett isn't making the most of the few opportunities that he does have. You want your starting QB to step up and make this type of throw.

I don't actually think DJ is open here, at least not in time. He would be if he was the 1st read but he's not. Pickett looks left first. Watch it frame by frame. Pickett has to handle the shotgun snap first. He doesn't even have the ball with his feet set until 2 seconds on the film. By second 3, he starts looking to DJ as the second read.

Pause it at 3 seconds. Where is Pickett supposed to throw it to DJ? DJ is on a dead sprint and Pickett would have to lead him. But that would be throwing right into the DB covering the WR from the left (Austin?). So Kenny has to wait for the next window for DJ which is after the 2 WRs clear each other. That's at 4 seconds of the clip. Pause it there and Pickett is about to get hit.

This would have been an easy TD but the OL failed. Watch the OL frame by frame. Moore has Garrett and makes contact. Semoalu(sp?) and Cole are doubling the DT, but Cole is looking right. Semo feels Moore getting blown up so he comes off his block on the DT to help Moore assuming Cole has the DT. But Cole is still looking right and just lets the DT club him out of the way. Either Cole or Semo messed up the assignment. They get that block and it's an easy TD.

I also think the WRs messed up. They nearly run into each other. I don't think the slants are supposed to meet like that. One of the WRs were probably supposed to take a different angle to be more underneath the other.

 

[madinsomniac]

I don't actually think DJ is open here, at least not in time. He would be if he was the 1st read but he's not. Pickett looks left first. Watch it frame by frame. Pickett has to handle the shotgun snap first. He doesn't even have the ball with his feet set until 2 seconds on the film. By second 3, he starts looking to DJ as the second read.

Pause it at 3 seconds. Where is Pickett supposed to throw it to DJ? DJ is on a dead sprint and Pickett would have to lead him. But that would be throwing right into the DB covering the WR from the left (Austin?). So Kenny has to wait for the next window for DJ which is after the 2 WRs clear each other. That's at 4 seconds of the clip. Pause it there and Pickett is about to get hit.

This would have been an easy TD but the OL failed. Watch the OL frame by frame. Moore has Garrett and makes contact. Semoalu(sp?) and Cole are doubling the DT, but Cole is looking right. Semo feels Moore getting blown up so he comes off his block on the DT to help Moore assuming Cole has the DT. But Cole is still looking right and just lets the DT club him out of the way. Either Cole or Semo messed up the assignment. They get that block and it's an easy TD.

I also think the WRs messed up. They nearly run into each other. I don't think the slants are supposed to meet like that. One of the WRs were probably supposed to take a different angle to be more underneath the other.

I’m trying not to defend Pickett too much after that game, but I really really really want someone to dig into why, on BOTH sides of the ball, our players looked discombobulated and out of position… i mean wrs ran routes that made no sense… ol guys blocked no one.. the qb threw tge ball to nobody… we had two timeouts because of 12 men on the field… the D was constantly trying to get guys in position… it was nonstop meyhem

 

[TDX27]

It's plays like these we see every week when I say that Pickett isn't making the most of the few opportunities that he does have. You want your starting QB to step up and make this type of throw.

If you stop the play when DJ is coming across, there is a Clowns player coming from the other direction. Maybe KP saw that and didn't throw it. If we could see more of the field, maybe we could tell more.

 

[Steelr4evr]

I'd don't know what's going on behind the scenes, but Kenny now looks completely ****** up. I think it's completely dysfunctional at this point.

That offense is done. Well minus the running game. Which amazingly is now an asset. I'd certainly give Warren the bulk of the carries. And definitely late in the game. He's a difference maker.

 

[Sarge]

but you can't argue with what she says.

Sure you can. It seems she’s suggesting Purdy gained arm strength simply by having Shanahan as a coach and that CJ Stroud sucked at Ohio State.

She is absolutely correct in her assertion that coaching matters. I just think those two examples are a little silly.

 

[fedderone]

Yet another week I'm seeing all-22 of Pickett missing wide open receivers for touchdowns or big plays. These aren't plays a starting QB should be missing, he's just not making the correct throws.

This.
We are all fully aware of Canada's ineptness and his ridiculous scheme.
However, his playcalling is still producing open receivers on routes from time to time.......and Kenny clearly can't see them.
Kenny's vision/IQ/D reading has zero to do with Canada.
Dionte's crossing route that keeps being mentioned is almost unforgivable, but at least, incomprehensible.

 

[fedderone]

Some people are so afraid of failure, they will accept almost anything rather than take the risk. Ex. Pittsburgh Steelers ownership.

And sadly, it looks like this attitude was dripped down to HCMT, OCMC, and KP now, too.

 

[Confluence]

To piggyback Aditi (who isn't popular with some Steelers fans said this)

This is very simple for the Steelers. You have invested a first on your QB who is struggling mightily.

You have an OC that is literally respected by no one, belittled by unbiased experts watching a dysfunctional offense. Getting Canada on the sideline was forced from above. I would expect other changes in the same direction immediately.
Regardless of the Deuce, Tomlin needs to save face by directionally changing the playcalling/QB effectiveness.

I'd think steady running featuring Warren, more PA and QB rollouts and simple slants are obvious, but this was obvious weeks ago and last season.

 

[bigben]

This is where people arent sure. Is it kenny not doing the right things.. or is Canadas offense so inept.

Matt Canada has zero control over kenny's accuracy or ability to complete a short pass.
I don't know why people assume its an either or problem, I bet its alot to do with both guys.

 

[slashsteel]

Matt Canada has zero control over kenny's accuracy or ability to complete a short pass.
I don't know why people assume its an either or problem, I bet its alot to do with both guys.

Could be. We shall see if there is improvement as the season fades...

 

[MT~Forged]

And sadly, it looks like this attitude was dripped down to HCMT, OCMC, and KP now, too.

When you live in your fears, then dictate others do not do what you fear, it becomes contagious. KP is being controlled so tightly by Tomlin’s fears, he is being strangled in his development.