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So why even bother making such a comment? Do you understand what the word "imply" means?
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So why even bother making such a comment? Do you understand what the word "imply" means?
You all are beating a dead horse, everyone at this point is locked in with one opinion or another. I will say I think regardless of which team we are talking about. Great coaches win more than one SB. I will fly with good. But Tomlin's deficiencies have been zero'd in by many. I just think you have to ask yourself are you happy with participation trophies? I am not. Ben has a half a foot out the door, when that day comes the participation trophies stop. And then the real fun begins. We will see if opinions will change by then. Unlike some I would be really happy to be wrong .Estatic even. We'll see.
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Do you have one of those desk calendar thesaurus? Was Hyperbole the word of the day today?
The 2008 OL had Hartwig, Starks, Miller, Kemo, and Colon, No I would not say that the current OL is better than in 08. I would say that our 08 line was more consistent, especially in the running game, than our OL today.
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And for lesser and qbs like Trevor Simone, and Brock Osweiler and case keenan, yes.
You are IMPLYING that there is nobody better than Tomlin that we could get...I think there are several solid coordinators that would be an upgrade to Tomlin and I think Munch would be an upgrade to Tomlin.
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I mean, it's pretty much what you do with Tomlin.
Anyway, I wasn't impressed with a 9-8 record without Ben and was even less impressed if three of those wins came against the Browns, games you are suppose to win.
Of course we don't stop playing when Ben leaves, but we look a lot more like a mediocre to bottom third team than a contender for the division let alone the AFC. Then again, you seem impressed with that potential.
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You just keep spouting it I don't know what else to call it.
At least, you were able to answer a simple question. Corey's said the 08 OL was garbage. Maybe he was being facetious (that good enough for you?) The 40+ sacks on Ben might be an indication that the OL wasn't that good
No way no shape no form. This O-line group is better hands down. And I am sure statistics would even back that up. And protecting Ben is what really matters and this unit has the goods.
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BTW, Great coaches don;t have to bring in former coaches from other teams to work with his defense the week before a game. Talk about a ringing endorsement for a coach and his staff.
Or maybe the 40 sacks was because Ben was still trying to extend every play for 7-8 seconds. I was not a big Haley fan, but the one bonus he had was that he did teach Ben to get the ball out quicker and to hit check downs. 2/3 of Ben's early sacks were a result of him holding the ball too long, not because of the OL
08 was Arians...
Hit a nerve no. Yes 10 points, strip sack 7 + FG=10. Just like olinemen give up sacks, QBs get stripped sacked, it happens. He still tore that defense up, it's funny you won't even acknowledge that. We scored 42 points, even with the two turnovers, that's more than enough to win, and no way you can blame the offense.
As for the sacks, that was a direct result of different offenses, BAs offense was downfield, intermediate to deep routes, thus your QB has to hold the ball longer, Hailey's offense was more horizontal and short routes.
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I never said it wasn't. Ben didn't stop holding the ball so long UNTIL he played for Haley.
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Keep pushing "that's what you do" then reference my response to a statement like "without Ben we'd have a bunch of losing seasons"when all I do is show that, without Ben, Tomlin doesn't have a losing record. I dint say it was a great record or anything of the sort. I suggest that it shows the aforementioned statement is the realm of all possibilities just might not be true.
I misunderstood your question. 3 of the games were against CLE, not three wins. It was 2-1 against CLE
How? What coach, coached Ben how to avoid sacks and make perfect throws on the move?
So u guess coaching had alot to do with allowing tebow to complete 10 passes for 330 yards in the playoffs, or allow a Jacksonville team with Blake Bortles at QB to score 45 points on us at home?
Tomlin is an above average coach, but no where near great.
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Lol...where I highlighted that I am NOT saying he is a great coach, you go back to what a great coach doesn't do.
I will go with your hyperbole. Great coaches don't try to take advantage of any available knowledge.
Again, having a 9-8 record without Ben playing in 1-2 games a year is NOT the same as an entire year without Ben. This team will be LUCKY to be .500 without Ben.
Great coaches don't have to. Again, you defend everything that Tomlin does, but then claim that not to be the case. You are the master of hyperbole, no wonder you keep using the word.
Sure they do. Green Bay is 5-6 since their SB win.
Rivers has 1 playoff win since 09
Brees has 3 playoff wins since his SB win
Dan Marino with Don Shula after losing the superbowl were 6-6 in 12 years!!
Football isn't played in a vacuum, it's played by 2 teams who want to win the game.
To take one, you have to take the other. There's a lot of posters here forgetting the great things that were done under his tenure.
Thing about Ben is he is elite. He can simply make those around him look better. Including the coaches. Winning can do a lot for a perspective. But even the elite QBs need a functioning team and great coaches to stack SB championships. The only outcome that really matters. That is why it is awarded a trophy. If the majority isn't 100 percent confident the head coach can get back to the SB and win it. Is the majority wrong? I would challenge the Tomlin faithful to point to what makes them think he can win it all again. Outside of a dusty SB victory.
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Tomlin is the guy I wanted, and there were great things done early, but unfortunately it's looking like that was more a product of the talent that was here when he took over.
Great coaches don't lose to horrible teams on a consistent basis.
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I'm. IMPLYING that I don't know who it is. That is it. You are INFERING that I mean something else.
I am flat out stating that some of the folks mentioned not the past (Harbaugh, whiz arians and Ryan) are not "better"'
Maybe, Munchak would be better. Maybe he is better suited to OL/OC duties. His prior HC stint was unimpressive but too short for him to have had time to get his team and a few drafts under his belt to be able to reach much of a conclusion.
