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No losing seasons

Half? Probably, not quite that much. It is the OL that keeps Ben clean enough to succeed, which leads us back to.....that OL didnt get here by accident. AB would be just as good anywhere else. Probably, juju, too.

Hell, a rookie RB just put up 130 yards of offense.
Agree that the Oline has been key in extending Ben's career at top level. But Munchak has a big say in that: Villanueva, depth in general, I will credit him over Tomlin.
De castro, pouncey were blue chip late 1st round picks. Can't miss guys, no risk picks.

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So not only are you telepathic (you're sure this season will end shortly), but you're an expert coaching scout? And he does less with more than any coach in the league? How does he have the 2nd best winning % of HCs then?

Yet only manage to win 3 playoff games in 9 years. I would say a coach with a high win % but lacking playoff success is the definition of underperforming.
 
So not only are you telepathic (you're sure this season will end shortly), but you're an expert coaching scout? And he does less with more than any coach in the league? How does he have the 2nd best winning % of HCs then?

We will not win the Super Bowl and may not even make the playoffs so yeah I think that is a huge underachieving year. We have beat two winning teams all year, the Ravens and the Pats and the Pats are a horrible 3-5 on the road and have been held to 10 points in 3 of those losses to a terrible Lions team and a mediocre Titans team so yeah I would say we have done **** this year. We are not well coached, make the same mistakes over and over again and frankly have been skewered by football experts across the board for our sloppy play and mediocre results.
 
By the way who was Tomlin before he was hired by the Steelers ? A nobody with a resume that would in no way have qualified him to be the head coach of one of the greatest franchises in all of sports. He was hired due to politics and anyone saying different is being naive. He has never progressed as a coach in all the years here in fact the culmination of all his sloppy coaching, laissez faire attitude, lack of attention to detail has led to this season's 3 game losing streak and tentative hold on first place in a very mediocre division over a team using a high school offense and gaining ground on us every week. Its great we finally beat the Pats but I have zero faith we beat them again in Foxboro this year when Belicheck will spread us out , take away our ability to blitz and dictate matchups like we did Sunday.

Agree or disagree history is not on our side. We can and do deserve better than Tomlin, the football world knows it but some Steeler fans refuse to see him as the flawed mediocre coach he is and will always be. Coaches do not suddenly change their stripes and become X and O gurus or attention to detail coaches this late in their careers. I think we lay a huge egg this week as we tend to do when we get fat and happy, this team has zero killer insitnct and the fact we scored 7 points and 3 points in the last two second halves tells you all you need to know about adjustments and inability to close out teams.

I'm done talking about Tomlin , he is what he is, a mediocre coach who does not do much to help us win on gamedays and in fact makes us overcome his dumb challenges, his gut feelings,.his lack of in game adjustments m, his laughably bad clock management and his inability to conquer situational football.
 
Yet only manage to win 3 playoff games in 9 years. I would say a coach with a high win % but lacking playoff success is the definition of underperforming.

I'm with you there. Tomlin has underachieved mightily in that regard. I'm just not ready to forfeit the season just yet though.
 
We will not win the Super Bowl and may not even make the playoffs

Like I said, telepathic. You know the results before anyone else. I understand Tomlin has underperformed these past couple years, but I'm not going to predict the future with this team right now. That's all. Simple. Stay tuned. If they blow it, I'll be as pissed as the lot of you, it just hasn't ******* happened yet.
 
Tomlin showed he could do all of those things last week.

And that's the circular argument:
Tomlin Wins
Tomlin wins due to his superior talent
Who brings in that talent?
Who coaches up that talent?

See how this argument breaks down to me?

So Jon Gruden was incredible against the Steelers so I guess he and every coach of the horrible teams that beat is the last 8 years ball are coaches who have shown they can do it , so why ever fire a coach since every coach has big wins and look great during those games. Any objective fan can see Tomlin has huge warts and is not the reason we win so many games but his poor in game coaching, bad challenges, awful clock management . and no in game adjustments are the reason we win,
 
So Jon Gruden was incredible against the Steelers so I guess he and every coach of the horrible teams that beat is the last 8 years ball are coaches who have shown they can do it , so why ever fire a coach since every coach has big wins and look great during those games. Any objective fan can see Tomlin has huge warts and is not the reason we win so many games but his poor in game coaching, bad challenges, awful clock management . and no in game adjustments are the reason we win,

Since you have a narrative, you see only what you want to see. You rip Tomlin for brining in outside help, yet, that is exactly what a coach is supposed to do. Bring in whatever help you can to beat your opponent. Coaching 101.

Offensively we've adjusted better than any year Tomlin has been the coach. That has a lot to do with the OC, and the HC is responsible for the OC hire.

I agree the challenges can be improved, and having a man in the box to help with game management is something he is lacking, but he's far from terrible. He actually used a challenge very intelligently later in the game, when he knew the play wasn't challengeable. The D wasn't set, Pats looked to quick snap, and Tomlin threw the challenge. Not only did the Steeelers get the correct defense called, they got the correct personnel on the field for the game changing interception.

People that blindly hate Tomlin will always miss what he does well. And you don't get his winning record by being an idiot.
 
Isn't the real important stat the postseason W L record?

IMO it is my dead horse difference between good and great.

For me I could care less if a coach is the greatest regular season coach in existence. it is what they do when the important games are staring at you in the face..
 
Isn't the real important stat the postseason W L record?

IMO it is my dead horse difference between good and great.

For me I could care less if a coach is the greatest regular season coach in existence. it is what they do when the important games are staring at you in the face..

Eventually, which is why i say he is short of great (although, not by a lot as people here seem to think)

However, again, you dont get that many playoff games to lose being an average coach. You have to win in the regular season to get there. Just 2 years ago, we got to the afccg. With the D at the time, that was a feat.
 
Eventually, which is why i say he is short of great (although, not by a lot as people here seem to think)

However, again, you dont get that many playoff games to lose being an average coach. You have to win in the regular season to get there. Just 2 years ago, we got to the afccg. With the D at the time, that was a feat.


Exactly how I think.

Good not great.

For him he still gets a opportunity this year to elevate that belief..

But I think for now it is fair to not go lower or higher than that...
 
You just keep spouting it I don't know what else to call it.

At least, you were able to answer a simple question. Corey's said the 08 OL was garbage. Maybe he was being facetious (that good enough for you?) The 40+ sacks on Ben might be an indication that the OL wasn't that good

Or it might've been that:
- Ben was allowed (by the coaches) to do as he pleased, and hanged on to the ball way too long
- The coaches were absolutely diabolically bad because they didn't put enough emphasis in protecting the QB
- The Offensive Coordinator took away the running game, play action, etc.. and didn't focus on the OL because he believed, as well as Coach Dumblin, that all Ben needed was 'more weapons', not protection....

In my opinion all these explanations, as well as yours, apply to the unacceptable number of sacks Ben suffered all those years. But you're obviously choosing the explanation that fits your argument!
 
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Or it might've been that:
- Ben was allowed (by the coaches) to do as he pleased, and hanged on to the ball way too long
- The coaches were absolutely diabolically bad because they didn't put enough emphasis in protecting the QB
- The Offensive Coordinator took away the running game, play action, etc.. and didn't focus on the OL because he believed, as well as Coach Dumblin, that all Ben needed was 'more weapons', not protection....

In my opinion all these explanations, as well as yours, apply to the unacceptable number of sacks Ben suffered all those years. But you're obviously choosing the explanation that fits your argument!

Could have been, but I think it is ignorant to think the current OL is not better than that OL.
 
Say what you want about HCTM, but another year, another .500 or above season. This is not a pro or anti-Tomlin thread, but should be acknowledged. With the win today, it should be good enough to get into the PO.

Tomlin has either not made the playoffs or lost this last game in the playoffs, except one time with Bill Cowher's players.

See my signature.
 
Ah playoff records. The demented stat of the pessimist.

12 teams each year play in the playoffs, only 2-4 teams will have a winning playoff record each season.

Whomp Whomp...
 
Tomlin has either not made the playoffs or lost this last game in the playoffs, except one time with Bill Cowher's players.

See my signature.

Yeah, we've seen your signature. I'd not be proud of that. Define "most" for me, please. MOST of 4 is 3. Tomlin won in the playoffs 2 seasons early and 2 seasons recently. MOST of 4 <> 2.

You gl to 3-6 if you count the packers loss. But ignore the games he won to get there. Almost like someone who knows **** all about stats.
 
I agree the challenges can be improved, and having a man in the box to help with game management is something he is lacking, but he's far from terrible. He actually used a challenge very intelligently later in the game, when he knew the play wasn't challengeable. The D wasn't set, Pats looked to quick snap, and Tomlin threw the challenge. Not only did the Steeelers get the correct defense called, they got the correct personnel on the field for the game changing interception.

People that blindly hate Tomlin will always miss what he does well. And you don't get his winning record by being an idiot.

See, here's the problem: You don't know that for sure. You don't know if Tomlin knew the play could or couldn't be challenged, yet you'll go ahead and assume that to be the case, then heap praise upon the guy for his brilliance.

First of all, despite of the insistence of the announcers otherwise, the defense WAS set. The Steelers had a player lined up on every Patriots' receiver prior to that second down play, 4 on the line, and 3 deep.

Secondly, about that "game changing interception"? Umm, that occurred on second-and-goal, SIX plays after the throwing of the challenge flag. You're lauding Tomlin's intelligence for purposely stopping the game and getting " the correct personnel on the field"...for a turnover which happened in a new series of plays after nearly three minutes of game clock had elapsed? C'mon, guy.

Given Tomlin's recent ineptitude in the challenge department, isn't it just as likely that he didn't know the rule? And/or he was just hoping and praying (like he's done in many other indiscriminate challenge situations), that the call could somehow be overturned? That it wasn't some ingenious wizardry highlighting his advanced in-game football IQ?

Truth is, we just don't know.


People who blindly love Tomlin will always see what they want to see, and bend the truth for his benefit. He's no idiot -- he's been smart enough to con his employers with not much more than the use of smoke and mirrors right from the very start.
 
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People who blindly love Tomlin will always see what they want to see, and bend the truth for his benefit. He's no idiot -- he's been smart enough to con his employers with not much more than the use of smoke and mirrors right from the very start.

People who blindly HATE Tomlin will always see what they want to see also. And bend the truth to his detriment. I'm not happy with how arrogant he is and seemingly cushy he thinks his job is, but I also try to assess with an objective eye, and he's not the potted plant idiot cheerleader MANY make him out to be. And he's definitely no idiot, you got that right.

That said, I want him to win in the postseason more. If he continues not to, I want him gone because whatever he's doing is just not working for this organization. See how simple that is?
 
See, here's the problem: You don't know that for sure. You don't know if Tomlin knew the play could or couldn't be challenged, yet you'll go ahead and assume that to be the case, then heap praise upon the guy for his brilliance.

First of all, despite of the insistence of the announcers otherwise, the defense WAS set. The Steelers had a player lined up on every Patriots' receiver prior to that second down play, 4 on the line, and 3 deep.

Secondly, about that "game changing interception"? Umm, that occurred on second-and-goal, SIX plays after the throwing of the challenge flag. You're lauding Tomlin's intelligence for purposely stopping the game and getting " the correct personnel on the field"...for a turnover which happened in a new series of plays after nearly three minutes of game clock had elapsed? C'mon, guy.

Given Tomlin's recent ineptitude in the challenge department, isn't it just as likely that he didn't know the rule? And/or he was just hoping and praying (like he's done in many other indiscriminate challenge situations), that the call could somehow be overturned? That it wasn't some ingenious wizardry highlighting his advanced in-game football IQ?

Truth is, we just don't know.


People who blindly love Tomlin will always see what they want to see, and bend the truth for his benefit. He's no idiot -- he's been smart enough to con his employers with not much more than the use of smoke and mirrors right from the very start.
So the guy on the competition committee, doesn't know the rules? He knows the rules very well. The ref announced the play as down by contact, that CAN be challenged. It wasn't until Tomlin threw the red flag that he corrected himself in saying "forward progress had been stopped".

So even if it wasn't some ingenious move to get the defense a quick breather and chance to settle, he knew the rules based on how it was announced.

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See, here's the problem: You don't know that for sure. You don't know if Tomlin knew the play could or couldn't be challenged, yet you'll go ahead and assume that to be the case, then heap praise upon the guy for his brilliance.

First of all, despite of the insistence of the announcers otherwise, the defense WAS set. The Steelers had a player lined up on every Patriots' receiver prior to that second down play, 4 on the line, and 3 deep.

Secondly, about that "game changing interception"? Umm, that occurred on second-and-goal, SIX plays after the throwing of the challenge flag. You're lauding Tomlin's intelligence for purposely stopping the game and getting " the correct personnel on the field"...for a turnover which happened in a new series of plays after nearly three minutes of game clock had elapsed? C'mon, guy.

Given Tomlin's recent ineptitude in the challenge department, isn't it just as likely that he didn't know the rule? And/or he was just hoping and praying (like he's done in many other indiscriminate challenge situations), that the call could somehow be overturned? That it wasn't some ingenious wizardry highlighting his advanced in-game football IQ?

Truth is, we just don't know.


People who blindly love Tomlin will always see what they want to see, and bend the truth for his benefit. He's no idiot -- he's been smart enough to con his employers with not much more than the use of smoke and mirrors right from the very start.

I hear your point, but the defense was not set. The D were looking left and right, sliding to spots, unsure of the set, but hey, I just review film, so what do I know...

And the fact that the interception occurred 4 plays later with the correct personnel on the field, is a factor.
 
So the guy on the competition committee, doesn't know the rules? He knows the rules very well. The ref announced the play as down by contact, that CAN be challenged. It wasn't until Tomlin threw the red flag that he corrected himself in saying "forward progress had been stopped".

So even if it wasn't some ingenious move to get the defense a quick breather and chance to settle, he knew the rules based on how it was announced.

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It was immediately ruled as forward progression was stopped. The Ref mic didn't work during that portion of the explanation.
 
Ah playoff records. The demented stat of the pessimist.
Completely disagree, although I see how it could seem that way as a Steeler fan. Playoff records are a measure of excellence. I would argue that regular season records are the demented stats of the mediocre.
 
Bottom line is it worked accident or NOT. I don't think it was by accident as to how it played out. TOMLIN heard how it was initially, contemplated a moment or two then tossed the flag. I'd say he took a calculated risk, calculated by him as there is no "booth" guy to guide him. GOOD Job TOMLIN.




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