Not sure how to evaluate KP

[FordFairLane]

The thing is, you've proven nothing other than the comparable size/weight/handsize and the oh so reliable "they both broke school records".
Your bias towards Rudolph is blinding you to any good things Pickett may do and making you exaggerate the bad. In short, you're a mockery of the valued poster you could be and, I guess, have been. And your ego is so bloated that you expect people to apologize to you? OK, just for you
"I'm sorry, you are not right"

Dude, it was first said by Litos that Pickett wasn't compared to the consensus first overall pick Burrow and I was wrong. I showed a dozen articles in fact comparing Pickett to Burrow. The consensus was his physical traits, you know height, weight, speed, and even hand size were the same ALONG with his age and experience to help him transition quickly to the NFL. Go read them unless you are too lazy. That was the consensus. We were getting a guy who made that leap in his last year in college to be NFL ready. Burrow before 2019 wasn't on any drafts boards as more than a priority free agent or perhaps a 7th round pick. Pickett before 2021 wasn't anything more than a priority free agent. That last year made them jump on draft boards.

Burrow in 10 games had 13 tds and 5 picks. That would translate to a 22td to 6 or 7 ints with about 268 yards and 40 attempts a game in a 17 game season. Good but not great stats. Pickett is on pace for 14 total tds (5 or 6 passing) and 22 picks average 32 attempts and 195 yards a game. Now I did not expect Burrow type numbers but I thought he would be closer to a 1/1 TD to INT ratio. He has been a disappointment. You people can talk about how much I love Rudolph but it just makes you sound inane. I again stated facts. Rudolph's first year starting was way better than Pickett's so far. Perhaps Pickett will have a better second half. Perhaps Pickett will be a pro bowl QB. Those are still real possibilities. But the FACT remains he has started off horribly and if you were to look at this objectively and statistically speaking the odds are less in his favor now than when the season started.

 

[slashsteel]

Dude, it was first said by Litos that Pickett wasn't compared to the consensus first overall pick Burrow and I was wrong. I showed a dozen articles in fact comparing Pickett to Burrow. The consensus was his physical traits, you know height, weight, speed, and even hand size were the same ALONG with his age and experience to help him transition quickly to the NFL. Go read them unless you are too lazy. That was the consensus. We were getting a guy who made that leap in his last year in college to be NFL ready. Burrow before 2019 wasn't on any drafts boards as more than a priority free agent or perhaps a 7th round pick. Pickett before 2021 wasn't anything more than a priority free agent. That last year made them jump on draft boards.

Burrow in 10 games had 13 tds and 5 picks. That would translate to a 22td to 6 or 7 ints with about 268 yards and 40 attempts a game in a 17 game season. Good but not great stats. Pickett is on pace for 14 total tds (5 or 6 passing) and 22 picks average 32 attempts and 195 yards a game. Now I did not expect Burrow type numbers but I thought he would be closer to a 1/1 TD to INT ratio. He has been a disappointment. You people can talk about how much I love Rudolph but it just makes you sound inane. I again stated facts. Rudolph's first year starting was way better than Pickett's so far. Perhaps Pickett will have a better second half. Perhaps Pickett will be a pro bowl QB. Those are still real possibilities. But the FACT remains he has started off horribly and if you were to look at this objectively and statistically speaking the odds are less in his favor now than when the season started.

Such a small body of work to label him a disappointment. His initial INTs suck and he has to keep on developing in the red zone. Not sure why Rudolph's first year starting really means anything. He never developed into a franchise is the bottom line. Kenny will need time to see what he is.

So in some areas he has disappointed and some areas he shows promise. All I can go with for now.

 

[FordFairLane]

Such a small body of work to label him a disappointment. His initial INTs suck and he has to keep on developing in the red zone. Not sure why Rudolph's first year starting really means anything. He never developed into a franchise is the bottom line. Kenny will need time to see what he is.

So in some areas he has disappointed and some areas he shows promise. All I can go with for now.

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36th out of 36 QB's. Disappointment is an understatement.

 

[slashsteel]

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36th out of 36 QB's. Disappointment is an understatement.

I don't need to glue to statistics to see his promising areas. I also realize it is a ridiculously small sample size to glue an opinion to. I also see some improvement even if they are baby steps.

 

[TDX27]

This nonsense is so freaking hilarious. People on here and all over Steelers Nation labeling KP a bust, etc. already. These people obviously have no idea what they are talking about. Now, KP may end up being a bust but that determination for a rookie QB does not come after a few games or even a full season. It comes after a few years. So, quit bickering like little children and buckle in because if KP isn't good enough to lead us for the next decade+ (doesn't need to be a HOFer but a winner and a leader of the men around him), then this is just the beginning of the period myself and some others witnessed between Bradshaw retiring and Ben arriving. Based on the way some are acting, those folks will probably become Clowns fans and/or complete alcoholics if we go through something like that. But, at least you all are good for a few laughs in the meantime.

 

[FordFairLane]

This nonsense is so freaking hilarious. People on here and all over Steelers Nation labeling KP a bust, etc. already. These people obviously have no idea what they are talking about. Now, KP may end up being a bust but that determination for a rookie QB does not come after a few games or even a full season. It comes after a few years. So, quit bickering like little children and buckle in because if KP isn't good enough to lead us for the next decade+ (doesn't need to be a HOFer but a winner and a leader of the men around him), then this is just the beginning of the period myself and some others witnessed between Bradshaw retiring and Ben arriving. Based on the way some are acting, those folks will probably become Clowns fans and/or complete alcoholics if we go through something like that. But, at least you all are good for a few laughs in the meantime.

Who said he WAS a bust? I'll wait...

 

[Litos]

He dumped it to Pickens for an incompletion.

yeah, a 15 yards dump off and with space to turn it upfield... wish all our dump offs where that long.

You want to ***** about Pickett? be my guest, I said in this thread that the throw was crap, but calling it a bad read and a dump off? come on!

 

[TDX27]

Who said he WAS a bust? I'll wait...

Countless posts on here, in PG weekly chats, on FB posts responding to SN, Steelers Depot and others, either flat out say it or elude to it. He is terrible. He has no ceiling. He's going nowhere. He can't throw the deep ball. Etc. Etc. Etc. I don't know how anyone that follows this forum and other Steelers news, etc. could have missed any of it.

 

[FordFairLane]

yeah, a 15 yards dump off and with space to turn it upfield... wish all our dump offs where that long.

You want to ***** about Pickett? be my guest, I said in this thread that the throw was crap, but calling it a bad read and a dump off? come on!

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  (15:00 - 1st) (Shotgun) K.Pickett pass incomplete short middle to G.Pickens. Coverage 27-Taylor.

It was an incomplete pass.

 

[FordFairLane]

Countless posts on here, in PG weekly chats, on FB posts responding to SN, Steelers Depot and others, either flat out say it or elude to it. He is terrible. He has no ceiling. He's going nowhere. He can't throw the deep ball. Etc. Etc. Etc. I don't know how anyone that follows this forum and other Steelers news, etc. could have missed any of it.

Ok, show me on HERE where someone said he is a bust. All you KP ball lickers just get your panties in a bunch when anyone criticizes him. He isn't playing well and deserves criticism. I criticized Roethlisberger so why would I treat Pickett with kid gloves? He is the starting QB for the team I cheer for. I want him to do well. I want him to improve. I truly hope he does and one of his best accolades is his willingness to work hard. I am truly rooting for the kid. But I will still criticize him when he plays poorly.

 

[Litos]

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  (15:00 - 1st) (Shotgun) K.Pickett pass incomplete short middle to G.Pickens. Coverage 27-Taylor.

It was an incomplete pass.

Was it a dump off? No, but you will never admit you were wrong apparently

 

[FordFairLane]

Was it a dump off? No, but you will never admit you were wrong apparently

How am I wrong? The correct read was DJ when he was 20 yards downfield streaking. Pickens was 13 yards downfield running a slant. He dumped it off instead of pushing it downfield.

Are you going to admit the LOS was at the 25 and Pickens was at the 38? 13 yards not 20.

 

[Litos]

How am I wrong? The correct read was DJ when he was 20 yards downfield streaking. Pickens was 13 yards downfield running a slant. He dumped it off instead of pushing it downfield.

Are you going to admit the LOS was at the 25 and Pickens was at the 38? 13 yards not 20.

I previously said it was a 15 yards throw with open grass ahead, nothing to admit.

A 15 yards throw to a Wide Open pickens with the CB trailing vs a 50/50 throw to dj. I'll take the 1st down and 20 yards with the safer pass.

So you can't grasp the definition of a dump off, lets leave at that.

 

[FordFairLane]

I previously said it was a 15 yards throw with open grass ahead, nothing to admit.

A 15 yards throw to a Wide Open pickens with the CB trailing vs a 50/50 throw to dj. I'll take the 1st down and 20 yards with the safer pass.

So you can't grasp the definition of a dump off, lets leave at that.

Wide open but incomplete and not a drop ok
I guess pickett can’t hit a 13 yard wide open receiver

 

[topseed]

Once more... none of this is worth discussing yet... after six games I can make a list of qbs and nothing correlates to how they turned out... look at either manning, they both had passer ratings round 55 after six games... Peyton threw 6 tds in those games.. but 14 picks. Eli had 3 tds and 7 picks... neither had a rushing td... Hell, eli didn't have a season with a passer rating over 77 his first four years... both went on to win super bowls... after six

Many, if not most QBs sit for a season or even multiple years before starting... Rodgers, Rivers, Mahomes, these guys say for a season or a few because regardless of talent rookies typically suck...

Wait, Kenny has a much higher rating than either Manning after six games?

But but but wait...let me post Rudolph's second-year stats for the hundredth time and show you how they're better than Kenny's rookie numbers, and that'll show you! But I'll completely ignore how that small sample showing Rudolph with a 93 rating has come down to a much lower mean of 82 as his career has gone along, because obviously that part doesn't count. 'Cause, you know, I only live in the facts -- the ones I want to recognize, that is.

Don't you get it?

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I'm not reading this thread....trashing KP in his rookie year expecting him to be an All Pro is just tenth-level stupid. This is Terry Bradshaw trashing from the early 70's all over again. Take a look at Josh Allen's rookie year when he started 12 games with a 52.8 completion rate, more INT's than TD's and tell me he should have been replaced after his rookie year. Unbelievable.

 

[SteelerSask2]

I'm not reading this thread....trashing KP in his rookie year expecting him to be an All Pro is just tenth-level stupid. This is Terry Bradshaw trashing from the early 70's all over again. Take a look at Josh Allen's rookie year when he started 12 games with a 52.8 completion rate, more INT's than TD's and tell me he should have been replaced after his rookie year. Unbelievable.

I'm neither trashing him nor saying he should be replaced. I'm saying when he got hurt Trubisky should have gotten another chance. He is not playing well and it could effect long term development.

 

[Litos]

Wide open but incomplete and not a drop ok
I guess pickett can’t hit a 13 yard wide open receiver

At least you just accepted that it was not a dump off. 15 yards throws ain't dump offs. Baby steps here with you.

Now back to my first post, I said it was a **** throw. So yes, good read, bad throw, just watch the tape before you keep laughing alone in your lost argument

 

[Turd Ferguson]

I'm neither trashing him nor saying he should be replaced. I'm saying when he got hurt Trubisky should have gotten another chance. He is not playing well and it could effect long term development.

Right....Hanratty needs another chance. Terry is not playing well and it could affect long term development.

 

[SteelerSask2]

Right....Hanratty needs another chance. Terry is not playing well and it could affect long term development.

So you do realize that the past doesn't effect the future. And if we are going to consider the past there have been many many QBs ruined by being thrown in before they are ready into a ****** system. About 10 guys who played in Cleavland say hi.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

I was against drafting any QB in the first round in this draft. I was particularly against Pickett, not because i thought he'd be a bust but because i thought he'd be just good enough to be fool's gold and make the steelers waste 5 years finding out that he's Andy Dalton.

I have not seen anything to change that opinion.

On the other hand, he's a rookie in a poorly designed offense so I'm not writing him off. It's just that i've still not seen anything that makes me feel like Kenny is a great talent. Ben was raw too but he still made tons of plays that showed you that he was going to be great. I don't mean making the right read and hitting an open WR. I'm talking about making something out of nothing. Extending plays and making a big play downfield.

I'd like to see some of that but Canada's offense just doesn't give many opportunities for big plays.

For now, Kenny can start by improving his accuracy and actually hitting on the few big plays that actually are possible each week.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

How many seasons of ridiculously bad offense will it take to place the blame on the head coach? Players consistently regress here.

 

[slashsteel]

I was against drafting any QB in the first round in this draft. I was particularly against Pickett, not because i thought he'd be a bust but because i thought he'd be just good enough to be fool's gold and make the steelers waste 5 years finding out that he's Andy Dalton.

I have not seen anything to change that opinion.

On the other hand, he's a rookie in a poorly designed offense so I'm not writing him off. It's just that i've still not seen anything that makes me feel like Kenny is a great talent. Ben was raw too but he still made tons of plays that showed you that he was going to be great. I don't mean making the right read and hitting an open WR. I'm talking about making something out of nothing. Extending plays and making a big play downfield.

I'd like to see some of that but Canada's offense just doesn't give many opportunities for big plays.

For now, Kenny can start by improving his accuracy and actually hitting on the few big plays that actually are possible each week.

I think it is a little unfair to compare any rookie QB to BigBen. He was an elite talent who had a great rookie season. Definitely was against the normal even for good to great QBs. Not sure Dalton will ever be as mobile as Kenny so he has that for him, he can create plays with his legs with either scrambling to give a WR time to get open or run for some yardage. Which is already on display. Not that the concerns aren't there. But I think his accuracy will be fine. For me it is his red zone reads and overall decision making that need to improve. I feel they will but it is a wait and see obviously.

 

[FordFairLane]

At least you just accepted that it was not a dump off. 15 yards throws ain't dump offs. Baby steps here with you.

Now back to my first post, I said it was a **** throw. So yes, good read, bad throw, just watch the tape before you keep laughing alone in your lost argument

Ok, so Pickett can’t see an open potential 75 yard td and misses 13 yard crossing routes.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Such a small body of work to label him a disappointment. His initial INTs suck and he has to keep on developing in the red zone. Not sure why Rudolph's first year starting really means anything. He never developed into a franchise is the bottom line. Kenny will need time to see what he is.

So in some areas he has disappointed and some areas he shows promise. All I can go with for now.

That's just it, it's too soon to say and also hard to judge because the OL isn't good, the running game isn't good, and the OC isn't good.