Not sure what you're watching, or why you keep saying that KP isn't going through his progressions. I suggest you watch the re-runs of SportsCenter this morning. Ryan Clark broke down several plays where Pickett successfully went past his first read. I believe that Clark might know what he's talking about.
Well we’ll have to disagree because of semantics. Ben made this offense look as good as possible…not “great” making guys like JuJu, Claypool and DJ look elite. And Ben was no closer, no ***** baseball player there. Ben was like Jesus but doing a resurrection of a pathetic coaching staff time and time again pulling us from behind and willing us to victory. Closers come in when a game is in hand- Ben was no closer.:.nor is our defense, although a couple of them do look like baseball players.
Again, I didn’t think you were this ******* dumb, but you’ve proved it enough. Nobody here has even suggested KP will be Peyton ******* Manning. Keep convincing yourself though.
It sure was!
I think you need to re-read this thread. That is the actual comparison that is being made.
NO he didn't.
| 2022-11-28 | 12 | PIT | @ | IND | W 24-17 | * | 20 | 28 | 71.43 | 174 | 0 | 0 | 87.5 | 3 | 23 | 6.21 | 6.21 | 6 | 32 | 5.33 | 0 | 0 | 0.0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 69 | 100% | 0 | 0% | 0 | 0% |
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| 5 | 2021-10-10 | 5 | 5 | 39.222 | PIT | DEN | W 27-19 | * | 15 | 25 | 60.00 | 253 | 2 | 0 | 120.9 | 1 | 9 | 10.12 | 11.72 | 1 | -1 | -1.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 65 | 100% | 0 | 0% | 0 | 0% | ||
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| 6 | 2021-10-17 | 6 | 6 | 39.229 | PIT | SEA | W 23-20 | * | 29 | 40 | 72.50 | 229 | 1 | 0 | 94.7 | 1 | 3 | 5.73 | 6.23 | 2 | -3 | -1.50 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 75 | 100% | 0 | 0% | 0 | 0% | ||
| 7 | 2021-10-31 | 7 | 8 | 39.243 | PIT | @ | CLE | W 15-10 | * | 22 | 34 | 64.71 | 266 | 1 | 0 | 98.4 | 2 | 11 | 7.82 | 8.41 | 1 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 74 | 100% | 0 | 0% | 0 | 0% | |
| 8 | 2021-11-08 | 8 | 9 | 39.251 | PIT | CHI | W 29-27 | * | 21 | 30 | 70.00 | 205 | 2 | 0 | 111.1 | 4 | 30 | 6.83 | 8.17 | 2 | 0 | 0.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 72 | 100% | 0 | 0% | 0 | 0% |
| 10 | 2021-11-21 | 10 | 11 | 39.264 | PIT | @ | LAC | L 37-41 | * | 28 | 44 | 63.64 | 273 | 3 | 0 | 103.7 | 3 | 28 | 6.20 | 7.57 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 69 | 100% | 0 | 0% | 0 | 0% |
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| 12 | 2021-12-05 | 12 | 13 | 39.278 | PIT | BAL | W 20-19 | * | 21 | 31 | 67.74 | 236 | 2 | 0 | 111.8 | 1 | 0 | 7.61 | 8.90 | 1 | -1 | -1.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 60 | 100% | 0 | 0% | 0 | 0% |
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| 13 | 2021-12-09 | 13 | 14 | 39.282 | PIT | @ | MIN | L 28-36 | * | 28 | 40 | 70.00 | 308 | 3 | 1 | 107.1 | 5 | 39 | 7.70 | 8.08 | 1 | 5 | 5.00 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 74 | 100% | 0 | 0% | 0 | 0% |
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People are saying Manning had a bad rookie year, not saying KP will be Manning. Its not that hard to comprehend. The bottom line is most QBs struggle their rookie year so its hard to say how KP will turn out. KP was 20 for 28 with 4 drops and 2 being TD drops. The one Pickens drop really had some zip on it which was nice to see. KP has shown some good signs hopefully the trend continues. Seems like they fall asleep at half time, think they need to work on that
Rudolph has shown improvement and will be our starter in 2023 (hopefully, under a new OC and with a better line) and in 2024. Any rookie QB should get 2 to 3 years to show what they can do. A handful of games and already looking for the next guy (yes, I'd call that labeling him a bust) is just ridiculous. As I said before, these posts just make me laugh. KP may be the guy for the next decade-plus and he may not, but with the problems this team has and trying to put a label on him this year is just crazy. And, if he's not, the KP whiners now will probably be rooting for another team before we do find our next franchise QB (doesn't mean a HOFer).
And, Trubisky locked onto his 1st read in all 4 games he started. These guys are intentionally not given many progressions and not allowed to audible. Some people on here I guess can't read because they keep bringing the same garbage up even though KP has improved significantly since the bye.
I’ve followed along more than I should have. Especially with all the goalpost moving you do. That said, it was brought up that Manning had a horrible start to his career. Yet, he’s one of the best to do it. Basically, when people mention Manning’s early career, it’s simply to say that maybe (just maybe) a player shouldn’t be defined on one season (true rookie season, at that). Especially when in a **** situation (like Manning was on a bad Colts team) like the offense KP, and the rest of the offensive unit, is being held back by. Pretty sure none of that is saying “derrrp hey Manning turned the ball over a lot too, so KP is going to be just like him durkadurkadurka.”
Manning didn't have a horrible start to his career. Being a rookie and being 3rd in yards behind Brett Favre and Steve Young is not horrible. Being 5th in TD's behind Young, Cunningham (Randy Moss, Chris Carter and Jake Reed), Brett Favre and Vinny Testaverde isn't horrible. Yes, he led the NFL in interceptions but was only 5 from Favre. Making the comparison to Manning is asinine. I mean if I was to compare a recently retired QB's rookie season to Pickett's I would say Alex Smith would be the best comparison out there.
No, that is what you are wrongly taking from the comparison. The point isn’t that he is Peyton Manning it is that Peyton Manning wasn’t Peyton Manning his rookie year and looked like ****. We don’t know what Kenny will be yet is the point and any attempt to judge him at this point is premature at best. He could suck but he could end up a HOF QB. Would you have ever thought Jalen Hurts would be what he is now 2 years ago?
That is the PFF grading system not the universally accepted QB rating system. ESPN has QBR. It is hard to really formulate which is or if not is better. I just normally go by the good old faithful QB rating system. It has been around decades and is statically driven not on randomized information with weighted value.
On the flip side of that argument QBR is mostly subjective and relies on hindsight judgments with guestimates of what should have happened… so its biased and crappy too lol
I disagree with your assessment. Put Manning or any rookie QB for that matter in the **** show Canada runs and see if they are any better results. Manning was a turnover machine and lost a lot of games. The point is simple we can't truly judge positive or negative at this point in the process. He could be good, bad or ugly long term but this season won't tell us anything yet long term. He is doing the one thing we all need to see, improving steadily. That doesn't mean he wont have more bad games, he will, but that he is showing the aptitude to learn and grow without becoming shell shocked. That he is doing better in this offense gives me hope but it is just that hope. Again for emphasis the only reason for the comparisons is to point out we don't know what we don't know yet and won't this year, and maybe not next year for sure.
Yeah to an extent, but one of the examples i read said a 5 yrd pass on 2nd and 5 carries more weight than a 5yrd pass on 3rd and 10 so it kinda makes sense, but nothing is perfect
No one knows what would happen if rookie Peyton Manning was under the helm of a Matt Canada run offense. I am not a Matt Canada fan but I don't think his offense is as bad as the regular fan or disenchanted journalist believes. It is a pretty bland offense but there's been many times where a guy is open and Pickett has missed the read. The last three games Pickett has been better about just throwing it up for grabs so that is an improvement. But I am hoping he takes the next steps and starts seeing the play unfold before it happens. That is the hardest transition from College to the Pros. Many never make that leap. Kordell Stewart had to see it to throw it. Tommy Maddox could throw a guy open. And then you had Ben who extended plays to help guys get open. And having a big arm to squeeze it in tight spots didn't hurt. Pickett is currently at the see it to throw it stage but there was one play, the two point conversion, that shows that he has the ability he just needs to develop it. I am enjoying watching the progression these last few weeks even though overall I am very disappointed in his performance. Hopefully, this season loss isn't for not and it helps develop him as a passer for the upcoming years.
