Never said you blasted him but you are definitely not convinced he is or will be anything special. I think that is fair to say? I think by seasons end your view will tilt more my way of thinking. That he has potential to be special. Not saying Allen or BigBen special or Peyton Manning. But perhaps somewhere between that and Carr/Tannyhill. Poor man's Joe Burrow. I am Nostradamusing a little here but I have faith.
I'm not doing that. I think most here just want him to get a fair shot and see how he plays as the line improves(cross your fingers) I disagree with FordFairlane in the idea that you can already tell he's not that good by using simple stats that don't give you the whole picture. He's a rookie...give him time. I get that he only had one good year at Pitt, his TD to Pick ratio was not good, and he has small hands. He could still be great, predicting who will be a franchise QB in the NFL is almost impossible. Let it play out.
Not sure what i said that was an excuse? Its a fact that Mason had a different team. Its also a fact that stats can be interpreted different ways. A RB can have 3 rushes for 100 yrds or 25 rushes for 100yrds depending on the narrative which one is better? You can not just look at hard numbers. You would have to look at each throw and break it down. Did the WR drop the ball, did the WR run the wrong route, was someone else open. Then of course you still don't know what the QB was instructed to do. If he was told to throw a 3yrd out on 3rd and 10 even if someone else is open is that on the QB or OC? There are just so many factors when evaluating a qb. Looking at basic numbers are pretty pointless
The fact is you can't understand that there's a difference between the stats of second-year player and a rookie. Or what the meaning of a small sample size is. Or that your hero's stats have gotten worse with age and experience, not better. You are a cretin. Just find your Mason Rudolph doll, go play with it, and shut the **** up already.
Gee, it wasn't really too hard to find:
His whole rookie year? Naw, don't you understand? You got to break that **** down to his first 130 attempts, bro. That's the be-all, end-all statistic, according to a certain ignoramus 'round here.
horseshit.
That is a red herring argument. Keep to the subject at hand. I am not going to argue semantics. The facts are and remain.
I bet we haven't even considered trying to trade Rudolph for Allen because our organization is clueless.
So how much is that first year riding the bench and not dressing worth? I mean what is the factual percentage of worth? You can't tell me because it is objective. It isn't a fact. It is an OPINION.
It is not semantics if WRs are not getting open, dropping balls, running wrong routes, dealing with bad play calls the QB stats will stink. QBs can't win the game themselves
That is a fact. He SINGLE HANDLY LOST THE MIAMI GAME. He played like crap. I didn't say he is crap and is only going to play like crap.
A big chunk of his INT's were tipped balls and a hail Mary. None of those others had offenses half as bad as what we run. Considering the **** show that is our scheme I think he compares rather nicely on this chart. Particularly on completion percentage.
Can't agree with you there. He made some bad throws but he also was in a position to win it with those throws. Had the play calling been better we may not have needed to be forcing a rookie to to force throws late to win.
How did the game end? What was the last offensive play for the Steelers?
I think you are intentionally missing my point, yes technically his pick cost us the chance to win but he also put us in a position where it had the chance to win. I agree with you that Mason has gotten way to much hate and grief. We probably have two more wins with him playing. That said I think Pickett will be better QB in the end and I am ok with him losing some games while he learns. Mason has a far lower ceiling than Kenny but he has the current highest floor.
While I would agree with your opinion that Kenny has more upside currently than Rudolph I would disagree with many peoples comparison to Josh Allen. KP has no where near the ceiling Allen had/has. Allen is a physical specimen. Pickett is a pretty average physically gifted QB. He's not Allen or Herbert. He is very body and athleticism comparable to Joe Burrow. Nothing wrong with that. You can be a pro bowler with that skillset. Allen was selected early because of upside. Nothing more. His body of work in college was pedestrian and that is coming from Wyoming. Pickett was supposed to be NFL ready with being a 6th year senior and 24 years of age. That is my concern. He was supposed to be the most NFL ready QB, going to his college city to play ball in the same stadium he played college ball. His floor was supposed to be high. So far he has not played like a player ready for the NFL. I am not saying we call him a bust by any means. But I am saying is Rudolph started off much better and after getting concussed and then having a horrible game vs the Browns never recovered in the face of the fan base. I look at Rudolph's body of work and I see his ceiling at an average to slightly above average starter. I would say Trent Green is his ceiling. Very comparable. Green drafted in 1993 was a back up until 1998 when he got a chance to start. Did well. Had a decent career being bounced around a little but was a quality starting QB. KP I would say still has more upside. By far. Could be Derek Carr or even Joe Burrow at this point. He's a rookie. But his floor still could be bust. I think Rudolph at the very least is a career #2 in the NFL and sticks around for 5-10 years even if it is primarily holding a clip board and being a spot starter. So he at this point has a higher floor.
But can't you make the same argument for Rudolph? He has been stuck with Fichtner and Canada as well.
You can try to make the argument, but you can't just look at stats. If you really want to make the argument you would need to look at all aspects and do a proper breakdown. From a fan standpoint it is near impossible because we don't know the playcalls, the hot reads, the scramble reads, etc etc. If you can not comprehend that then it is a lost cause. The last int i don't put full blame on pickett. He could have ran, but i think DJ was supposed to come back for the ball and was just a miscommunication. The hook route int was a bad play all around. The D was in a shell and looking at Pickett the whole time. He shouldn't have thrown it, but we should have tried a play to pick up like half the yardage. The int to Claypool, Claypool fell. He had a hail mary int, at least one int went through the WRs hands. You can see he had a lot of Ints, but how many were really terrible ints?
