Running lower and lower on nfl love these days

[oneforthebus]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Butker clearly wasn't speaking to/about your daughter (the data scientist and math major from Georgia Tech), was he? Unless she happened to be present there in the audience at Benedictine College that day?

No, my daughter was not there. She was disappointed that someone she respected and admired from her alma mater, would say those things to any group of female college graduates.

 

[MTC]

You're right about that, there are a lot of exceptions. My daughter happened to marry into a fairly well-to-do family that own a real estate developing company near San Fransisco, Ca.
She doesn't have to work. They don't have the burden of watching every penny which takes a lot of pressure off being a stay-at-home mom.

Some families have that luxury where they can rely on one working spouse.

The majority of us need two incomes. The wife and I both work. Both attended UGA. She does coding and makes good $$$. Gets to work from home too.

I have a fairly flexible schedule. Wednesdays and weekends off. My job, I can leave whenever I want so as long as I don’t go negative upt(unpaid time off). However I work my full 40 hour week

 

[topseed]

But all groups of female college graduates are not homogeneous. Those who Butker directly addressed would consist of mostly (if not all) devout Catholics -- women who would inherently be excited about the prospects of marriage and bringing children into the world moreso than say, the average female student at Georgia Tech or any other non-religious institution.

 

[Stewey]

Some families have that luxury where they can rely on one working spouse.

The majority of us need two incomes. The wife and I both work. Both attended UGA. She does coding and makes good $$$. Gets to work from home too.

I have a fairly flexible schedule. Wednesdays and weekends off. My job, I can leave whenever I want so as long as I don’t go negative upt(unpaid time off). However I work my full 40 hour week

No doubt today both must work to live comfortably. My wife and I both worked as well, we would have struggled with only one income.

 

[oneforthebus]

But all groups of female college graduates are not homogeneous. Those who Butker directly addressed would consist of mostly (if not all) devout Catholics -- women who would inherently be excited about the prospects of marriage and bringing children into the world moreso than say, the average female student at Georgia Tech or any other non-religious institution.

I went through 12 years of Catholic school. There is nothing inherent in Catholic teaching about encouraging women to become homemakers. We have a devout Catholic female Supreme Court justice for heaven’s sake. Why would these women bother with college if homemaking was their goal?

 

[MT~Forged]

How are they at making sandwiches?

Really good, and with the great jobs they have, they buy the good meats and cheeses.

 

[jitter77]

I think what Butker said was outdated and a little over the top. Things are not like they were in the 50s. Just because something is "traditional" doesn't make it correct. I'm sure more people would love to be able to stay home, but in today's society its not very realistic. If you are working a middle class job with a family you almost need 2 incomes to be living comfortably. I get what he was trying to say, but it did not come across well. He is also not doing himself any favors in follow up interviews. With that being said i think the outrage is too much. He didn't say anything awful and what he said doesn't warrant being cut or blackballed.

 

[IndySteel]

It's not me who said she gave up her dream of having a career, it was him. Take that up with him.

He was speaking in present tense.

 

[MTC]

No doubt today both must work to live comfortably. My wife and I both worked as well, we would have struggled with only one income.

We would struggle with one income as well.

This aside. What Butker said is interpreted based off ones personal experiences I suppose.

I personally am not offended. Some are gonna interpret it this way or that way. This will all fizzle out by training camp.

 

[Steeltime]

Yes, women work less and therefore earn less, largely because they bear more of the burden of childbirth, childcare and housework. We agree on this.

That is not unfair or evidence of gender unfairness. Working more should lead to greater income.

Link isn't working for me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_States

Because of the high prison population in the United States the country has become probably the first and only in the world where rape of men is more common than of women.

The footnotes then provide detailed backup.

Not whining. Just saying men, in general, are not victims. Let's say, I do not consider them a victim class. Certainly there are exceptions.

I provided data - facts - showing that your comments about women having a more difficult life than men are simply not true. I didn't raise the topic; you did. You argue along the fringes of my data about household chores but cannot refute the information I provided because it is accurate.

And p.s., as I noted in my original comment, your comments are the common perception. I would wager than 95% of our population believes everything you posted about women being the victims of violence more often, getting paid less, etc. Perhaps the best single example of this perception about how difficult it is being a woman is the comment by Hillary Clinton in 1998, “Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.”

I'm going to go with getting killed, getting body parts blown off, and seeing your friends die a terrible death may be just a tiny bit worse.

 

[Djfan]

I went through 12 years of Catholic school. There is nothing inherent in Catholic teaching about encouraging women to become homemakers. We have a devout Catholic female Supreme Court justice for heaven’s sake. Why would these women bother with college if homemaking was their goal?

Having been raised in a very devout Catholic home, I have to say that the community we ran in was much more favorable towards it than the media driven minds out there.

It's not a Catholic requirement as far as I know, but it is more common. He was just giving his traditional world view. Everyone needs to calm down, learn to hear tradtitional views without making the person who said them a villan or hitler, and live their lives. But, the woke idiots want to make a pile of poop out of those who disagree with them, and feel like heroes doing it.

Another sign of our culture being toast.

 

[Superman]

Yep! I turned down two consulting jobs that required travel because I wanted to be there for my kids.

so you were with your wife's offspring for 24 hours per day, and were the only influence they had. no characters on tv, no sports figures, no aunts, no uncles, no grandparents, no neighbors, none of their friends... just you. you were their sole inspiration.

did they assist in dragging the dead dogs, or was their role to fetch Little Debbies between rounds of Price Is Right for your fatass?

 

[oneforthebus]

That is not unfair or evidence of gender unfairness. Working more should lead to greater income.

Again, no one but you said anything about "unfairness". I said women earn less. I don't particularly think that's unfair, it just is. Men have career advantages by not having to pause their careers to have children, and by more often having partners who will take on the bulk of the childcare. Men are not "victims" in this regard. You keep trying to make this into "women have it so hard" which was never my point.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison_rape_in_the_United_States

The footnotes then provide detailed backup.

Thanks for that, it's about prison rape. Not about rape of men in prison. There are women in prisons too. As your article states "Rates reported by female inmates were higher than male inmates". As a footnote article states:

https://archive.ph/20190731162912/https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2012/feb/21/us-more-men-raped-than-women

"Inmates" also does not translate to "men". There are a whole lot of women in jail, and female prisoners are twice as likely to experience inmate-on-inmate sexual assault (male inmates are slightly more likely to experience assault at the hands of prison staff). So again, not so obvious that more men than women experience sexual assault."

I provided data - facts - showing that your comments about women having a more difficult life than men are simply not true. I didn't raise the topic; you did. You argue along the fringes of my data about household chores but cannot refute the information I provided because it is accurate.

I didn't say women have a more difficult life then men. I said men are not victims. Men have some advantages in the US, they have a whole lot more advantages in many other parts of the world.

And p.s., as I noted in my original comment, your comments are the common perception. I would wager than 95% of our population believes everything you posted about women being the victims of violence more often, getting paid less, etc. Perhaps the best single example of this perception about how difficult it is being a woman is the comment by Hillary Clinton in 1998, “Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.”

I'm going to go with getting killed, getting body parts blown off, and seeing your friends die a terrible death may be just a tiny bit worse.

Women are more often victims of domestic violence. Men are more often victims of violent crimes because men are more likely to be criminals. Does that make them victims or perpetrators? I have never said women are the primary victims of war. I'm not Hillary. Women do get paid less. That's just a fact. Biology and the fact that culturally they are expected to take on the lion's share of childcare puts them at a disadvantage in the workforce.

 

[Superman]

He and his wife have entirely life experiences, then what my children have had. My daughters both have careers and are not thinking of being a homemaker AT THIS TIME. My son is almost 31 and just within the last year has a serious girlfriend. I know for a fact she doesn’t intend to be a SAHM. The daughters are both single and not looking to change that status at this time.

We all had a discussion about this just this weekend. All three had zero problems with HIS beliefs, though were quick to say they didn’t agree with them. I couldn’t be prouder of the way they have turned out.

well, that's just horrible. you shouldn't be proud of your children. or at least not prouder of them than the career you made.
/LiberalLeft

 

[oneforthebus]

well, that's just horrible. you shouldn't be proud of your children. or at least not prouder of them than the career you made.
/LiberalLeft

He's proud of their career achievements. And "horrors" these young adult women are currently more excited about their careers than they are about being homemakers.

 

[Superman]

He's proud of their career achievements. And "horrors" these young adult women are currently more excited about their careers than they are about being homemakers.

the "horrors" of child bearing, raising a child, seeing them achieve success and be positive contributors to society. you know, like the "horror" you experience when mentioning your daughter. and, don't begin to consider that if your daughter has children, she might be proud of what those children accomplish and your nightmare would be two-fold with grandchildren.

 

[Superman]

Harrison Butker = ******* loser pussyboy per the Left
Rashee Rice = who?
P Diddy = who what?

 

[oneforthebus]

the "horrors" of child bearing, raising a child, seeing them achieve success and be positive contributors to society. you know, like the "horror" you experience when mentioning your daughter. and, don't begin to consider that if your daughter has children, she might be proud of what those children accomplish and your nightmare would be two-fold with grandchildren.

I never once said there is anything wrong with being a homemaker. In fact I've taken great pains to say I don't believe that. I certainly never said women shouldn't be proud of raising children. I have only said it is sexist to make the assumption that a group of 21 year old female college graduates would be more excited about being a homemaker than having a career. That somehow got all your panties in a bunch.

 

[Superman]

I never once said there is anything wrong with being a homemaker. In fact I've taken great pains to say I don't believe that. I certainly never said women shouldn't be proud of raising children. I have only said it is sexist to make the assumption that a group of 21 year old college graduates would be more excited about being a homemaker than having a career. That somehow got all your panties in a bunch.

nope, not mine. your panties were bunched since that is how you interpreted what he said.... which wasn't what he said, but by all means, continue.

 

[oneforthebus]

nope, not mine. your panties were bunched since that is how you interpreted what he said.... which wasn't what he said, but by all means, continue.

LOL, it is exactly what he said.

 

[Superman]

LOL, it is exactly what he said.

nah. he didn't say it was "one or the other". in fact, he didnt even say a career-minded woman wouldn't have children:

" For the ladies present today, congratulations on an amazing accomplishment. You should be proud of all that you have achieved to this point in your young lives. I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you, how many of you are sitting here now about to cross the stage, and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you’re going to get in your career. Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world. But I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. "

where in that did he say a woman can ONLY have a career or raise children?

in using his wife as an example of how life changes one's perspective - does anyone really think she had the dream as a child to be married to a NFL placekicker and raise children? Even he said that wasn't her dream. but it is the life she "leans into". Which sounds like the life she wants.

truly horrible and despicable. my god, the inhumanity of it all.

 

[str8liner]

So why don't you quote exactly what he said that was remotely close to what you are suggesting.

HINT: He didn't say what you are claiming.

For the ladies present today, congratulations on an amazing accomplishment. You should be proud of all that you have achieved to this point in your young lives. I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you. How many of you are sitting here now about to cross this stage and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you are going to get in your career? Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world, but I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world.

I can tell you that my beautiful wife, Isabelle, would be the first to say that her life truly started when she began living her vocation as a wife and as a mother. I'm on the stage today and able to be the man I am because I have a wife who leans into her vocation. I'm beyond blessed with the many talents God has given me, but it cannot be overstated that all of my success is made possible because a girl I met in band class back in middle school would convert to the faith, become my wife, and embrace one of the most important titles of all: homemaker.

[Applause lasting 18 seconds]

She is a primary educator to our children. She is the one who ensures I never let football or my business become a distraction from that of a husband and father. She is the person that knows me best at my core, and it is through our marriage that, Lord willing, we will both attain salvation.


I say all of this to you because I have seen it firsthand how much happier someone can be when they disregard the outside noise and move closer and closer to God's will in their life. Isabelle's dream of having a career might not have come true, but if you asked her today if she has any regrets on her decision, she would laugh out loud, without hesitation, and say, “Heck, No.”

Look, I know exactly what he said, so get off the notion I didn't listen to the speech.

To millions of aspiring women graduating College, it sounded like getting married and spitting out kids should be, or is, the primary goal.

Yes, raising kids in a good home is important, but Harrison worded it totally wrong.

He should have praised his wife for her faith, and helping him raise their kids, and left it at that. NOT took a guess at what "most" in the graduating class are thinking.

Insinuating that most want to graduate get married and have kids in this day and age doesn't set well with everybody.

 

[oneforthebus]

nah. he didn't say it was "one or the other". in fact, he didnt even say a career-minded woman wouldn't have children:

" For the ladies present today, congratulations on an amazing accomplishment. You should be proud of all that you have achieved to this point in your young lives. I want to speak directly to you briefly because I think it is you, the women, who have had the most diabolical lies told to you, how many of you are sitting here now about to cross the stage, and are thinking about all the promotions and titles you’re going to get in your career. Some of you may go on to lead successful careers in the world. But I would venture to guess that the majority of you are most excited about your marriage and the children you will bring into this world. "

where in that did he say a woman can ONLY have a career or raise children?

in using his wife as an example of how life changes one's perspective - does anyone really think she had the dream as a child to be married to a NFL placekicker and raise children? Even he said that wasn't her dream. but it is the life she "leans into". Which sounds like the life she wants.

truly horrible and despicable. my god, the inhumanity of it all.

I didn't say he said they can only have a career or raise children. I said he assumed that marriage and kids was what was most exciting to them. Just the ladies!

His wife's life didn't begin til she was married and had kids? Wow. Guess her entire childhood and college academic and athletic career wasn't "life". Good thing she found a man or she might still be dangling around in limbo!

 

[Superman]

I didn't say he said they can only have a career or raise children. I said he assumed that marriage and kids was what was most exciting to them. Just the ladies!

His wife's life didn't begin til she was married and had kids? Wow. Guess her entire childhood and college academic and athletic career wasn't "life". Good thing she found a man or she might still be dangling around in limbo!

ah, i see we are splitting hairs now.
it can be said by many that their life didnt begin until after something happened to change their perspective/goals in life. For me, that happened after my daughter was born. I guess to you, and since Flog will jump in as soon as ze empties the trash bins, i was dormant and lifeless until then.

was your life better before or after your children were born? or different?

 

[Superman]

I didn't say he said they can only have a career or raise children. I said he assumed that marriage and kids was what was most exciting to them. Just the ladies!

he already addressed the men.