The Hypocrisy of Hollywood

[DBS1970]

I never said these were crimes. Sexual harassment is not necessarily a crime. Some of these women have filed lawsuits.

I'm just saying, if these are just accusations with absolutely no basis in fact, I wouldn't just up and quit my job. Would you? I would at least put up some sort of a fight.

Unless you are sitting on a vested pension you will lose if you are terminated under the Zero Tolerance policy. Of course women NEVER lie about this sort of thing...

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Unless you are sitting on a vested pension you will lose if you are terminated under the Zero Tolerance policy. Of course women NEVER lie about this sort of thing...

Never, ever, ever. We must always believe the word of the fairer sex.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/aug/24/woman-jailed-10-years-false-rape-claims-jemma-beale
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-41692026

From this report it's estimated that 2-10% of rape allegations are false: https://atixa.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Lisak-False-Allegations-16-VAW-1318-2010.pdf

http://www.ctpost.com/local/article/College-student-accused-of-making-false-rape-11288951.php

The following is pretty hard to read if you're a female. I'm just re-presenting the content from this article: 12 Women Who Lied About Being Raped And Why They Did It

Women lie about rape to cover up their infidelity
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/elizabeth-coast-rape-lie_n_3784718.html

Women lie about rape to explain why they are looking at porn
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/media/press/woman-jailed-for-false-rape-claim-2225627.html

Women lie about rape because they are mentally ill
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/8466096.stm

Women lie about rape because they feel guilty
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13186674.Woman_jailed_for_false_rape_claim/

Women lie about rape if the sex is bad
http://www.breakingworldnewstoday.com/2014/11/05-b3197.html

Women lie about rape when they fail school exams
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...se-failing-exams-jailed-three-half-years.html

Women lie about rape because of psychiatric medication complications
http://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/local/2014/10/24/woman-sentenced-windsor-rape-hoax/17841039/

Women lie about rape when they want attention
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-493352/Woman-falsely-cried-rape-EIGHT-times-spared-jail.html

Women lie about rape to get sympathy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...anger-Facebook-rape--ruined-victims-life.html

Women lie about rape to make boyfriends jealous
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/9700913.York_student_who_made_false_rape_allegation_avoids_prison/

Women lie about rape for revenge
http://www.wfmz.com/news/berks/read...claim-to-get-revenge-on-ex-boyfriend/19603187

Women lie about rape when their friends get mad at them
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biurny...ax-man-she-put-in-jail-5-years-isnt-laughing/

Never forget...

Duke Lacrosse - those young men had their lives ruined and remain on a sex offenders registry for life despite being found innocent.
The woman who falsely accused Michael Irvin of assault.
The woman who falsely accused Jerome Bettis...

and on and on and on.

Female teachers are assaulting more and more HS boys at a rising rate...

It's scary to give this unmitigated power to the accuser simply because "they said so."

 

[Spike]

oh please, we know what this is all about

Dems lost the keys to the black vote so they exchanged racism for sexism against women as their new symbol of scaring up votes

you are all being played

 

[Spike]

meanwhile

Minnesota governor names Lt. Gov. Tina Smith as Franken replacement

Minnesota Gov. Mark Dayton is expected to name his lieutenant governor, Tina Smith, to replace resigning Sen. Al Franken in the Senate at a press conference Wednesday morning.

Dayton's appointment of Smith will hand Franken's seat to a female Democrat after Franken, who was in the middle of his second term, resigned under pressure after multiple women accused him of groping and sexual harassment. More than half of Senate Democrats called for Franken's resignation

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/13/tina-smith-replace-al-franken-minnesota-senate-294940

 

[oneforthebus]

Never, ever, ever. We must always believe the word of the fairer sex.

I never stated women don't lie and should always be believed. Once again, most of these men aren't denying it. They're admitting to it and apologizing for it.

So are they lying too?

 

[DBS1970]

I never stated women don't lie and should always be believed. Once again, most of these men aren't denying it. They're admitting to it and apologizing for it.

So are they lying too?

Not all. Some are fighting it. Jeremy Piven for instance, is fighting tooth and nail. He will never work in the entertainment business again. Louis CK is done even though he always asked and got permission before he pulled his dick out. He even apologized and genuflected at the altar of gynocentrism he is also never going to work in the entertainment business again. How many of the men that were accused and have apologized were told by the companies they work for just admit it don't fight it and you can walk away with your retirement plus a severance package?

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I never stated women don't lie and should always be believed. Once again, most of these men aren't denying it. They're admitting to it and apologizing for it.

So are they lying too?

I wasn't addressing you OFTB, I was merely agreeing with and supporting DBS' solitary statement. I agree with your points. I agree with Sarge's. We are in a SCARY dangerous time where accusations carry more merit than they should. To your points, if these men were innocent, they'd have defended themselves. When they don't, it's pretty obvious. I'm not saying that a large % of these claims are or could be false. But as the article I showed stated, somewhere between 2-10% of rape accusations are false. Lives and careers are ruined over lies because we couldn't be patient enough to wait for the facts.

Look at the damage done by one false accusation by one woman to Duke University, to it's Lacrosse program, and to the lives of all of those men who will live on a sex offenders registry list for life. How much money was spent?

Some % of women lie about these claims. That's a fact. We must operate the way we are supposed to act...investigate and support an acceptable burden of proof. As Liberals like to say, even if just one life is saved (or not damaged)....

 

[oneforthebus]

I wasn't addressing you OFTB, I was merely agreeing with and supporting DBS' solitary statement. I agree with your points. I agree with Sarge's. We are in a SCARY dangerous time where accusations carry more merit than they should. To your points, if these men were innocent, they'd have defended themselves. When they don't, it's pretty obvious. I'm not saying that a large % of these claims are or could be false. But as the article I showed stated, somewhere between 2-10% of rape accusations are false. Lives and careers are ruined over lies because we couldn't be patient enough to wait for the facts.

Look at the damage done by one false accusation by one woman to Duke University, to it's Lacrosse program, and to the lives of all of those men who will live on a sex offenders registry list for life. How much money was spent?

Some % of women lie about these claims. That's a fact. We must operate the way we are supposed to act...investigate and support an acceptable burden of proof. As Liberals like to say, even if just one life is saved (or not damaged)....

I view admission of guilt as more than an acceptable burden of proof.

People have a right to make accusations, and the accused has a right to dispute them. If he doesn't dispute them, there's probably a good reason. What would you have happen...a full on trial before someone loses their job? If I'm an employer, and 5 women in my company say this guy has harassed them, I am going to evaluate what they say and decide whether I believe it's credible or whether I don't. I'm not sure what else you want an employer to do.

 

[Tibs]

But as the article I showed stated, somewhere between 2-10% of rape accusations are false.

By your count - per the article you're referring to - 90-98% of rape accusations are true. I wonder where the focus should be? On the legitimate victims of 90-98% of sexual assault cases, or on the 2-10% that may be bogus?

Using your formula, out of the 19 women accusing Donald Trump of sexual abuse/assault 18 are telling the truth and perhaps 1 isn't. I'm sure you'll agree, based on your own argument, it's time to investigate their allegations.

 

[Sarge]

Something else that bugs me...do people really know the definition of sexual harassment? I am wondering. I mean, seems a whole lot of people crying racism really don't know what racism means or what it is, so I wonder how many other words have totally lost their meaning.

 

[Sarge]

By your count - per the article you're referring to - 90-98% of rape accusations are true. I wonder where the focus should be? On the legitimate victims of 90-98% of sexual assault cases, or on the 2-10% that may be bogus?

Using your formula, out of the 19 women accusing Donald Trump of sexual abuse/assault 18 are telling the truth and perhaps 1 isn't. I'm sure you'll agree, based on your own argument, it's time to investigate their allegations.

My question is, barring outright no **** evidence, based merely on an accusation, how due you tell the difference?

 

[Tibs]

Something else that bugs me...do people really know the definition of sexual harassment? I am wondering. I mean, seems a whole lot of people crying racism really don't know what racism means or what it is, so I wonder how many other words have totally lost their meaning.

Would you consider these various forms of sexual harrasment?

Ivana Trump, the President’s first wife, used “rape” to describe a 1989 sexual encounter she had with him during their divorce proceedings in 1990. Before the book, Lost Tycoon: The Many Lives of Donald J. Trump, which featured the account was published, she said her use of the word should not be “interpreted in a literal or criminal sense”.

Rachel Crooks told the New York Times, when she encountered Trump at the Trump Tower elevator, he kissed her forcibly on the lips.

Jessica Leeds alleges Trump, groped, grabbed her breasts and tried to put his hand up her skirt in the 1980s, while they were in a first-class cabin of a plane.

Kristen Anderson alleges Trump put his hand up her skirt and touched her vagina through her underwear in the early 1990s at China Club, a Manhattan nightclub when she was in her early 20s.

In 2007, Summer Zervos claims Trump groped and kissed her on two occasions. One incident took place at Trump Tower and the other at a Los Angeles hotel.

Porn star Jessica Drake accused Trump of forcibly kissing her and two female friends on the lips at a Texascharity golf tournament in 2005. She also claims Trump offered her £8,000 and use of his private jet to have sex with him.

Karen Virginia, a yoga instructor and life coach,claims Trump grabbed her arm and touched her breast while she was waiting for a car after the US Open in New York, 1998.

When she was 19-years-old, Bridget Sullivan, former Miss New Hampshire alleges Trump walked into the dressing room, unannounced while contestants were naked in 2000.

In 2005, Natasha Stoynoff, claims Trump forcibly kissed her in a closed-door room in Mar-a-Lago when she was at his home to interview him and his wife.

Jill Harth, the first woman to publicly accuse Trump of sexual misconduct, claimed he forcibly kissed her on the lips, groped her breasts and grabbed her genitals in what she referred to in a 1997 lawsuit as “attempted rape” in one of the children’s bedrooms in Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate in 1993.

A woman using the name Jane Doe claimed that Trump raped her when she was just 13, in 1994. The anonymous accuser filed a federal lawsuit against the presidential candidate, who she claims raped her at a party in the New York apartment of paedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein.

In a Facebook comment, Cassandra Searles claimed Trump repeatedly grabbed her buttocks and invited her to his hotel room during a Miss USA 2013 pageant.

Temple Taggart claims Trump forcibly kissed her in the 1997 Miss Teen USA pageant and on a second occasion at the Trump Tower, the New York Times reported.

Mindy McGillivray accused Trump of groping her at Mar-a-Lago in 2003 whilst helping a photographer friend with a photo shoot, Palm Beach Post reported.

CNN news presenter Erin Burnett reported in July that one of her friends told her that Donald Trump kissed her without her consent in 2010. He allegedly invited her into his office alone, told her she was special and gave her his mobile number.

Cathy Heller accused Trump of forcibly kissing her on the lips in public at a 1997 Mother’s Day brunch at Mar-a-Lago.

I think most everyone would agree these are all forms of sexual harrasment or sexual assault. Even a single case would be deemed wholly inappropriate and would probably be considered a criminal act. You simply can't walk up to people and infringe on their personal space, especially in an aggressive, lewd, sexual manner. So call it what you will, if these women are speaking earnestly, these are all instances which would get anyone fired, and rightfully so.

I still do not understand why Trump is any different than Weinstein, Loius CK, Spacey, Franken et al. I'm sure someone will come along and explain to me why Trump is above the law.

 

[Sarge]

I think we should hang him.

 

[NCSteelerfan]

I love people that make assumptions based on what they think they would do in any particular situation when they themselves have not been through that thing. They just know exactly how they would respond and handle it, and based on that these people are full of ****. I agree with OFTB, most of these men aren't denying it or they are trying to make excuses for the behavior by placing it back on the women. I'm not saying that all of these accusations are correct, but the reason that so many are coming out now is that once they started it gave other people the courage to stand up and finally say something without fear of retribution. Yes, there are reasons people don't speak up right after it happens. Look at Weinstein, most of these actresses were just starting out, young and naïve. No one was going to believe them over him, and then their careers would be ruined. He's a pig.....and so are many of these other guys that feel they can abuse their power.

Oh, and the Duke lacrosse **** you all keep throwing out. She got hers, and those boys got paid. The only life that is hanging in ruins from that is hers and from her own doing. They denied the incident, fought and were found innocent, unlike the pieces of **** being accused now. She is a piece of **** and everyone knew it, but lets play devils advocate here for a moment shall we. For those saying these women put themselves in a situation and should be held accountable as well, do you feel the same about the boys of Duke lacrosse team, or do you just view them as victims of heinous liar. They hired a stripper and had her over their frat party, weren't they "asking for it"

 

[Tibs]

I think we should hang him.

That's a little harsh but I understand your anger. Your heart is in the right place. A simple resignation, effective immediately, would do it for me. It would save him and the GOP some face and he can leave on his own terms before Mueller puts on the clamps.

 

[Superman]

would that make Pence 45 or 46?

 

[Sarge]

That's a little harsh but I understand your anger. Your heart is in the right place. A simple resignation, effective immediately, would do it for me. It would save him and the GOP some face and he can leave on his own terms before Mueller puts on the clamps.

Do you honestly think he is going to resign? Really? His ego won't allow it. Bank that.

 

[Tibs]

Do you honestly think he is going to resign? Really? His ego won't allow it. Bank that.

Of course not, unless his constituents grew some balls and demanded it. But that won't happen either, as they're perfectly fine with his lewd behaviour, corrupt business dealings, et al. In fact, they thrive on it and relish watching the world burn.

 

[thesteelcity]

Of course not, unless his constituents grew some balls and demanded it. But that won't happen either, as they're perfectly fine with his lewd behaviour, corrupt business dealings, et al. In fact, they thrive on it and relish watching the world burn.

The world is burning? A little dramatic there, don't ya think? I would prefer Pence to take over or have been the candidate, but unless they remove Trump's lifeless body from the Oval Office, not gonna happen.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Do you honestly think he is going to resign? Really? His ego won't allow it. Bank that.

Trump hasn't done anything wrong but the Left has their dreams.

 

[oneforthebus]

Would you consider these various forms of sexual harrasment?




I think most everyone would agree these are all forms of sexual harrasment or sexual assault. Even a single case would be deemed wholly inappropriate and would probably be considered a criminal act. You simply can't walk up to people and infringe on their personal space, especially in an aggressive, lewd, sexual manner. So call it what you will, if these women are speaking earnestly, these are all instances which would get anyone fired, and rightfully so.

I still do not understand why Trump is any different than Weinstein, Loius CK, Spacey, Franken et al. I'm sure someone will come along and explain to me why Trump is above the law.

I'm not going to go over the accusations one by one, but the problem is Trump denies most of this, and a lot of it falls into some sketchy area.

I personally don't find the woman on the airplane credible. I've seen her interviewed, what she says happened doesn't really ring true to me.

The women who allege he kissed them on the lips or asked for their phone number once, ok that's weird and creepy, but does that rise to the level of sexual harassment or assault? It's thin.

Walking into a pageant dressing room, I mean, again weird but if you've ever seen productions like this there are all kinds of people walking around all over the place. Are you going to arrest every makeup guy or wardrobe stylist who walked in there too?

Some of these women actively pursued personal or business relationships with Trump after these alleged incidents...as NC points out no one can say how they would necessarily act in these situations but those actions do call their credibility into question.

So, it sounds like I'm defending Trump and I'm not...I personally think he's probably done some pretty disgusting stuff. You're asking why he's being treated differently and these are some of the reasons IMO. He's vigorously denied it, called the women liars, is forcing the women into providing some sort of proof, and so far no sort of smoking gun has emerged. Unlike many of the others he's at least acting like someone who's been falsely accused would act.

Should he be investigated? I really don't care honestly. I think even if some of these cases are true you'd be hard pressed to come up with any criminal charges on any of them. He put his hand up my skirt when we were sitting in a nightclub 20 years ago? No prosecutor in the world would touch that sort of thing.

 

[ark steel]

Weinstein, Spacey and Louis CK admitted it was true. There is pictorial evidence of Franken groping a woman. I'd bet Supe's blackened soul that Franken and Conyers resigned because they know there is more out there and, if they resign, it might not come out.

The worst part of it IMO is that, apparently everyone in Hollywood knew about Weinstein and these women who are looked upon as strong female role models said nothing and let it happen to other women.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

I view admission of guilt as more than an acceptable burden of proof.

People have a right to make accusations, and the accused has a right to dispute them. If he doesn't dispute them, there's probably a good reason. What would you have happen...a full on trial before someone loses their job? If I'm an employer, and 5 women in my company say this guy has harassed them, I am going to evaluate what they say and decide whether I believe it's credible or whether I don't. I'm not sure what else you want an employer to do.

One woman made one accusation and ruined the lives of many young men, killed a sports program, and cost taxpayers ample amounts of money. Their worlds stopped on one accusation.

That is acceptable?

Your scenario - five women come forward...absolutely we need a reaction of some sort.

But to Sarge's point, this is getting crazy. As with Duke, one person now has the power to make one false accusation and ruin another's life.

You have to admit IF that happens, it's wrong.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

By your count - per the article you're referring to - 90-98% of rape accusations are true. I wonder where the focus should be? On the legitimate victims of 90-98% of sexual assault cases, or on the 2-10% that may be bogus?

Using your formula, out of the 19 women accusing Donald Trump of sexual abuse/assault 18 are telling the truth and perhaps 1 isn't. I'm sure you'll agree, based on your own argument, it's time to investigate their allegations.

As you Liberals love to say, we need common sense gun control. "If it saves just one life."

If 2-10% of accusations are false, then there are people annually that have their lives ruined by those meant to do them harm.

If it saves just one life.

Innocence until proven guilty is a great, great tenet to operate by. It's one of the reasons millions fled to this country.

 

[Tim Steelersfan]

Oh, and the Duke lacrosse **** you all keep throwing out. She got hers, and those boys got paid. The only life that is hanging in ruins from that is hers and from her own doing. They denied the incident, fought and were found innocent, unlike the pieces of **** being accused now. She is a piece of **** and everyone knew it, but lets play devils advocate here for a moment shall we. For those saying these women put themselves in a situation and should be held accountable as well, do you feel the same about the boys of Duke lacrosse team, or do you just view them as victims of heinous liar. They hired a stripper and had her over their frat party, weren't they "asking for it"

They got paid so that makes the rest of these points acceptable?

- They forever remain on the sex offenders registry list, despite having been found not guilty.
- Ever stopped to think that some of them may have loved the game of lacrosse and wanted to play? That they may have wanted to play professional lacrosse? They were stripped of their right to play the game over a lie
- What was the damage done to the lacrosse program that had to shut down? To recruiting at Duke? To the conference?
- How many taxpayer dollars were used to try a case that never should have gone to court?

A lot of lives, business and programs were affected.

Her false accusations had wide ranging, damaging ramifications.

Your view is very myopic.