The loss sucks...BUT

[insaniti]

As bad as Tampa got embarrassed on Thursday night, this was not THAT Tampa team. They got back one of the most disruptive DT's in the game, and that showed on the very first drive as he threw Wallace to the side and ate Ben alive. They also got back a legit top ten RB in Doug Martin. And they started a much better QB in Glennon. They played the perfect game and we played like ****, but THAT team we played was not as bad as their record shows. Even without McCoy, their D was only allowing 3 yards per carry to opposing RB's. That showed with how well they contained Bell. They can create pressure with just four, which allows them to put more attention to covering receivers.

It's still an ugly loss, but it's not the end of the world, and Tampa is NOT the worst team in the league... that title will go to either Jacksonville (has the lead right now with a -94 pt differential) or Oakland (-52 point differential).

 

[SteelBuckeye]

I don't think it's so much the loss, as HOW the loss occurred for most people. Team came out flat (no denying that), played undisciplined ball (drops, penalties), didn't go for the jugular and once again played soft as hell during the second half. And those are not even a third of the problems that we saw magnified on Sunday. I had this team for 2-2 at this point, but that win in Charlotte says they SHOULD be a better team.

 

[Steelers1356]

And they started a much better QB in Glennon.

Our horrible/undisciplined secondary can sure make it seem that way.

As for the loss, an inexcusable, disgusting display. Even the slightest bit of disciplined instead of boneheaded play, and we win by 2 TD's at least.

 

[TazManianDevil]

Tampa is not a bad team. But they had no business winning that game. Steelers just **** the bed. Retards.

 

[Spike]

I can't believe we'll get throttled by Blake Bortles....even with all his girlfriend fans going


Isn't anybody going to Jacksonville?

 

[DocScott]

OK, Tampa Bay may not be such a bad team as you've described, but I know I'm not the only one who put up a W when first looking at the schedule. No way we should've lost that game.

 

[Confluence]

If this is the game that determines whether they finish 5-11 or 4-12, who cares?

But if this is game that turns 10-6 into 9-7 and missing the playoffs, or 11-5 and a WC instead of winning the division, then it does matter that they **** the bed.

 

[Vader]

Every team has players on it. So what? They were decimated by injuries before and during the game. I don't care that Glennon doesn't suck as bad as another QB. Bell is one of the best RBs in the league. Ben is one of the best QBs in the league. Brown is easily a top 5 WR. Miller is a top TE. They don't have one player on offense that matches anything the Steelers have. The Steelers had no business losing that game at home... NONE.

Strange that after the Rats loss people were saying the rats weren't that good and that the Thursday night boogie man was to blame. But now somehow the bucs are good? WTF?

 

[steelbush]

Doug Martin a top 10 RB is a huge stretch. He hasn't done **** since his rookie year. This team offensively can be scary good at times, but defensively there isnt a QB in this league that can eat this secondary alive. Our secondary has been scorched by the Brian Hoyers and Mike Glennon's of the world. We continue to get no pressure from the DL. Tomlin and Co need to realize this team needs to score 25+ a game and our defense is a liability. With that philosophy going forward we should be in no-huddle for about 80% of every game and look to out score teams rather than stop them defensively.

 

[Superman]

Glennon is not a ****** QB, as insaniti said.
Martin IS a good RB, despite being injured last season.
Vincent Jackson IS a threat when the ball is in the air.
Logan Mankins could start for us.
I'd even take Mike Evans over Wheaton, even though I think Wheaton is very good.

To say the Bucs have NO ONE on their offense to match what we have is a case of seeing only what you want to see.

No, we didn't have any business losing that game yesterday. It was and still is bullshit. We absolutely should have kept scoring instead of getting into a funk and letting the foot off the pedal. For ****'s sake, we were down 10-0 and came back to take the lead. This isn't about the talent on the team it's about the sheer bullshit the team does when they're experiencing some success. We used to act like a goddamn first down was ... a goddamn first down and NOT a Super Bowl winning TD play. That's coaching. That is correctable. Celebrate after the game is won...not after a single ******* play.

 

[insaniti]

Tampa is not a bad team. But they had no business winning that game. Steelers just **** the bed. Retards.

Totally agree, just softening the blow somewhat.

OK, Tampa Bay may not be such a bad team as you've described, but I know I'm not the only one who put up a W when first looking at the schedule. No way we should've lost that game.

I figured we'd win as well.

Every team has players on it. So what? They were decimated by injuries before and during the game. I don't care that Glennon doesn't suck as bad as another QB. Bell is one of the best RBs in the league. Ben is one of the best QBs in the league. Brown is easily a top 5 WR. Miller is a top TE. They don't have one player on offense that matches anything the Steelers have. The Steelers had no business losing that game at home... NONE.

Strange that after the Rats loss people were saying the rats weren't that good and that the Thursday night boogie man was to blame. But now somehow the bucs are good? WTF?

I didn't say the Buccs were good, I said they weren't as bad as their record shows... but thanks for playing...

Doug Martin a top 10 RB is a huge stretch. He hasn't done **** since his rookie year. This team offensively can be scary good at times, but defensively there isnt a QB in this league that can eat this secondary alive. Our secondary has been scorched by the Brian Hoyers and Mike Glennon's of the world. We continue to get no pressure from the DL. Tomlin and Co need to realize this team needs to score 25+ a game and our defense is a liability. With that philosophy going forward we should be in no-huddle for about 80% of every game and look to out score teams rather than stop them defensively.

Name 10 backs better than he is. He played a whole 6 games last year, and this is only his third year. We had to respect the run game which helped their passing game even more. Our secondary is severely lacking, and taking anything away from them is going to make them look even worse. Troy was creeping down into the box all game. Our secondary will continue to get scorched, naming QB's that you don't think are that good isn't going to change that. With the emphasis on illegal contact this year, it isn't going to get any better. Allen is playing horrible, Gay doesn't belong on the outside, and we don't have much behind them.

 

[Steeltime]

It's still an ugly loss, but it's not the end of the world, and Tampa is NOT the worst team in the league... that title will go to either Jacksonville (has the lead right now with a -94 pt differential) or Oakland (-52 point differential).

Tampa was -50 coming in to this game. They lost at home to a lousy St. Louis Rams team. Playing a lousy team like the Rams kept their point differential down.

You cannot take the position that a team is "better than expected" because they beat the Steelers. Tampa is a horrible team. They are playing a Saints team that cannot stop any offense, and is 1-3 after getting destroyed by the Cowgirls.

So if I give you 10 points, do you take the Buccaneers over the Saints? After all, Tampa is "better" than advertised and the Saints are dog poop. Do you take the points and the Buccaneers?

 

[insaniti]

Tampa was -50 coming in to this game. They lost at home to a lousy St. Louis Rams team. Playing a lousy team like the Rams kept their point differential down.

You cannot take the position that a team is "better than expected" because they beat the Steelers. Tampa is a horrible team. They are playing a Saints team that cannot stop any offense, and is 1-3 after getting destroyed by the Cowgirls.

So if I give you 10 points, do you take the Buccaneers over the Saints? After all, Tampa is "better" than advertised and the Saints are dog poop. Do you take the points and the Buccaneers?

Once again, they got back a MAJOR player on the DL, their best RB, and started the QB that showed promise last year and should have been starting this year. This Tampa team was not the same team that started the year 0-3. That does not make them a great team, we STILL should not have lost the game... but to try and compare them to the team that started the year 0-3 is dumb. Why is this concept so hard to understand? It's not like I sugar coated anything, it's all there in the first post, still shouldn't have lost, not the worst team in the league, we hurt ourselves, etc. Learn to ******* read people.

 

[Vader]

Glennon is not a ****** QB, as insaniti said.
Martin IS a good RB, despite being injured last season.
Vincent Jackson IS a threat when the ball is in the air.
Logan Mankins could start for us.
I'd even take Mike Evans over Wheaton, even though I think Wheaton is very good.

To say the Bucs have NO ONE on their offense to match what we have is a case of seeing only what you want to see.

Glennon can't carry Ben's jock. Yes, he doesn't suck even if he is 5-10 as a starter. But to compare them to the Steelers talent is just asinine. Evans got hurt during the game and they won throwing to a guy who was on his couch a few days before the game. Martin isn't half the RB Bell is right now.

Like I said, they have NO ONE on their offense to match the Steelers. But you keep seeing what you want to see. I know damn good and well that you wouldn't trade Bell for Martin, Brown for Jackson, Ben for Glennon, Miller for whoever in the hell their TE is, Pouncey for their C, DeCastro for their RG etc.... But keep seeing what you want too. Fact is that Tampa Bay sucks and will be lucky to win 5 games this year.

 

[Steelerfan]

I think we all agree that the Steelers ****** up and should have won. However, I think those holding Tampa Bay in such high regard are only trying to minimize and rationalize the degree of the ******-up-ness. We ****** up BIG, not just a little. TB sucks and it shouldn't have even been close. Saying TB does not suck is just looking through rose-colored glasses.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

The loss was a horrible kick in the nuts. There is absolutely no way they should have lost that game. Settling for field goals due to penalties moving us back. Penalties? More like a landslide of penalties. Which points to the undisciplined nature of this team. People missing assignments PRIOR to the snap leading to long passing plays. Failure to wrap up on tackles. Bad coaching decisions (turtle ball and crap defensive calls).
I don't think we saw the best that this team/coaching staff is capable of in Carolina. However, I don't think we saw the worst that this team/coaching staff is capable of on Sunday. From top to bottom, they need to get their heads out of their butts and start approaching these games and the preparation for them as if doing so is what puts food on their tables. And personally, I see it as a lack of leadership and professionalism.

 

[Superman]

Glennon can't carry Ben's jock. Yes, he doesn't suck even if he is 5-10 as a starter. But to compare them to the Steelers talent is just asinine. Evans got hurt during the game and they won throwing to a guy who was on his couch a few days before the game. Martin isn't half the RB Bell is right now.

Like I said, they have NO ONE on their offense to match the Steelers. But you keep seeing what you want to see. I know damn good and well that you wouldn't trade Bell for Martin, Brown for Jackson, Ben for Glennon, Miller for whoever in the hell their TE is, Pouncey for their C, DeCastro for their RG etc.... But keep seeing what you want too. Fact is that Tampa Bay sucks and will be lucky to win 5 games this year.

Did I say Glennon = Ben? No.
Did I say Martin = Bell? No.
Did I say anything other than they have some good talent on their team and that their record doesn't adequately reflect them?

Per your logic, the Saints suck too, and will not win more than 5 games per season.

See what you want to see, Vader.

 

[Vader]

Did I say Glennon = Ben? No.
Did I say Martin = Bell? No.
Did I say anything other than they have some good talent on their team and that their record doesn't adequately reflect them?

Per your logic, the Saints suck too, and will not win more than 5 games per season.

See what you want to see, Vader.

Hell you can't even see what you said. You didn't say "they have some good talent on their team". You said, and I quote:

To say the Bucs have NO ONE on their offense to match what we have is a case of seeing only what you want to see.

See "matching" means they have similar talent. Very different from what you just stated. You see what you want to see, superman.

 

[Superman]

ok, to put it in Vader-logic...

since Glennon was their BACKUP QB until this past week...I'd take him over Gradkowski.

I'd take Mike Evans over Wheaton.
I'd take Logan Mankins over Wallace/Foster.
I'd take Collins over Beachum. ****, I'd take Collins over either of our wanna-be tackles.

YOU said:

They don't have one player on offense that matches anything the Steelers have.

They don't have a single player on offense that matches what we have? Are you sure?

 

[Steelerz99]

Tampa is not a bad team. But they had no business winning that game. Steelers just **** the bed. Retards.

^^This^^ The margin is always slim, and if you're going to act like ******* idiots, you shed that margin.

 

[Vader]

ok, to put it in Vader-logic...

since Glennon was their BACKUP QB until this past week...I'd take him over Gradkowski.

I'd take Mike Evans over Wheaton.
I'd take Logan Mankins over Wallace/Foster.
I'd take Collins over Beachum. ****, I'd take Collins over either of our wanna-be tackles.

YOU said:

They don't have a single player on offense that matches what we have? Are you sure?

You get caught in an attempt to change your statement and then go into panic mode. They don't have one player that matches anything the Steelers have. Glennon is there STARTING QB but you can't use that so you again try to be clever. But it doesn't work. I'm not talking about backups and you know it. Mankins has been hurt all year and got ******* owned against Atlanta. Evans probably their best WR. So would you take Evans over Brown? That's what matching means. Take their best WR against ours. Take their best OL against ours. Take their best QB against ours. They have NO ONE to match the Steelers... no one.

 

[insaniti]

You stating Evans is their best WR is just YOUR opinion. I don't see how you can just slip him ahead of Vincent Jackson... and if you are going to do that, then Vincent Jackson over Wheaton is still a pretty easy choice. Glennon is their starting QB because McCown got hurt, not because of performance. That was made evident when they named McCown the starting QB at the beginning of the year. Lovie wanted HIS guy.

You really think that our OL is better than theirs? Their tackles are lightyears better than ours and that's not even an argument. They signed Green Bay's center away from them, and we all know how much the board hates Pouncey and thinks he's over rated. You just like to argue...

 

[Superman]

You get caught in an attempt to change your statement and then go into panic mode. They don't have one player that matches anything the Steelers have. Glennon is there STARTING QB but you can't use that so you again try to be clever. But it doesn't work. I'm not talking about backups and you know it. Mankins has been hurt all year and got ******* owned against Atlanta. Evans probably their best WR. So would you take Evans over Brown? That's what matching means. Take their best WR against ours. Take their best OL against ours. Take their best QB against ours. They have NO ONE to match the Steelers... no one.

Collins is better than ALL of our tackles combined, tripled and rolled into one.
and based on even more ****** up logic, yes, I would take JACKSON over WHEATON then.

We're not talking about the Atlanta-Bucs game anymore than we're discussing the Rats-Steelers game are we?

 

[Superman]

You stating Evans is their best WR is just YOUR opinion. I don't see how you can just slip him ahead of Vincent Jackson... and if you are going to do that, then Vincent Jackson over Wheaton is still a pretty easy choice. Glennon is their starting QB because McCown got hurt, not because of performance. That was made evident when they named McCown the starting QB at the beginning of the year. Lovie wanted HIS guy.

You really think that our OL is better than theirs? Their tackles are lightyears better than ours and that's not even an argument. They signed Green Bay's center away from them, and we all know how much the board hates Pouncey and thinks he's over rated. You just like to argue...

your simple non-circular logic is not welcome in this discussion.

 

[Vader]

You stating Evans is their best WR is just YOUR opinion. I don't see how you can just slip him ahead of Vincent Jackson... and if you are going to do that, then Vincent Jackson over Wheaton is still a pretty easy choice. Glennon is their starting QB because McCown got hurt, not because of performance. That was made evident when they named McCown the starting QB at the beginning of the year. Lovie wanted HIS guy.

You really think that our OL is better than theirs? Their tackles are lightyears better than ours and that's not even an argument. They signed Green Bay's center away from them, and we all know how much the board hates Pouncey and thinks he's over rated. You just like to argue...

You just like to make up ****. Let's see. Evans has more catches, more yards, and better average than Jackson. So he looks better to me. I'll take Brown over either. The GB center that you rave about has never made a pro-bowl and already has 2 fumbles on the year and is making around $2.5 million bucks which is peanuts. The packers probably wanted him back but obviously not enough to afford $2.5 million. You have no ******* idea what you are talking about. All you do is argue when you have no idea what you are arguing about. Anthony Collins has started 25 games in 7 years. He's a backup starting with TB.