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This is police brutality

Show me where the CDC, Fauci, or Birx mandated closing businesses, lock downs, or quarantines of healthy individuals. All along the directives have been social distancing...it was the governors that decided to take it to draconian measures and violate state constitutions, the Constitution of the United States as well as the Bill of Rights.

Come on, man. Not sure why there's so much finger pointing now. Let's all be happy this thing is slowly coming to an end and hopefully things can eventually get back to normal. Trump declared a national emergency on March 19th and invoked the Stafford Act. It was part of the federal policy to keep people home, limit public gatherings, close schools and shut down businesses in affected areas. Governors and mayors responded accordingly.

Read the President's Covid 19 Guidelines, including the small print at the bottom.

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https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

Here's the link to the most recent data from the FBI from 2018. They haven't update for 2019 yet.

Data are almost identical to the 2016 data I cited, if not slightly worse in terms of blacks committing the vast majority of interracial crimes.

As Hispanic is an ethnicity and not a race it was included in both black and white perpetrators, not just the white ones. There are black hispanics.

False. Hispanics are grouped as whites in terms of race. When the FBI tracks the race of the victim or the perpetrator, "Hispanic" is not a choice as a race, just as it is not a choice for race on the census.

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You are just wrong.

The point I was making is that in total numbers whites kill more whites and blacks kill more blacks. Vaders original comment made it seem like there was some sort of melee on whites from blacks. Now, this is my assumption, but I'm going to say quite a bit of those are probably drug/gang involved on BOTH sides and not just a racial driven thing.

Yeah, sure. Blacks kill whites more than twice as often as whites kill blacks, though whites are more than 5 times the population, meaning that black-on-white killings are really ten times more frequent than white-on-black.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Yes, I get the background information matters in cases as it can show patterns of behavior. That should ring true for the cop putting his knee on the neck of Floyd and the over zealous idiots with the Arbery case, and yet, the comments I saw focused on Arbery's past in the other thread, but not the yokels that chased him and ultimately murdered him. Why?

Why are you making up something that is untrue you mean? As in, "the comments I saw focused on Arbery's past in the other thread but not the yokels that chased him and ultimately murdered him."

Uhhh, false. You need to re-read that thread and this time remove your "ow, my race hurts" goggles. Also, I know the laborious process of a hearing, witnesses, getting to present a defense bothers you but defendants are entitled to their day in court.

The knee-jerk, spasm-like demands for justice are odd. So a trial is too laborious? Almost as if African-Americans are rooting for immediate justice, right-the-****-now punishment. You know, by citizens, not waiting for the namby-pamby judicial process to take place.

In fact, however, that is something African-Americans know is not a good idea since it usually involves an angry mob, a tree and a rope.

As you don't know me and what I absolutely believe you are wrong about the video being the end all be all. Michael Brown? Did I bring him up as an example? That video was in no way definitive. Hell, even the snippet they had from the Raleigh cops last year that seemed to show a group of cops beating a black guy down was incorrect. I didn't "jump" to conclusions on that one as again it was a snippet of what happened and later the whole video showed a disturbed individual attacking the cops and showed the whole pic justifying the ends. Seems to me as more video is coming out on both of these cases it's not looking good for the perps as the guy video taping the Arbery incident was found to be involved and arrested because the rest of the video showed they chased him for at least 4 minutes blocking his escape whenever he tried to get away. There is a video from a business in the area of the Floyd arrest that shows the beginning of him being led out of his car and being detained. No resisting was shown in that video, but he did look pretty annoyed and looked like he was letting it be known. What's missing is what happened after that part and up to officer ******** holding him down with his knee on his neck.

You actually did not say anything substantive here. Well, maybe, "You don't know me," but I think the law requires you sob when you say that. And despite what you seem to claim, you are indeed reaching decisions based solely on a video, and with no other facts. As in, "murderers" in the civilian thing.

Also, the fact that I point out things that have to happen, or need exploring, or play a role, or might explain motive (which is all I've done, and the stuff I post is still available for review), I don't render an unchallengeable verdict - GUILTY!! Instead, I have talked about why motive is important in the civilian case, that the problems those guys face is what they did after pursuing the guy, the cop had no reason to keep his knee on a guy's neck when he was cuffed, should have him sit up so he can breathe, etc.

That's what I actually wrote, not some make-believe strawman you seem intent on debating.

So now the police have to witness the offense to make an arrest and wait for a warrant in all cases?

Uhhh, yes. Something called the Constitution. The police can arrest for crimes they witness, but are not "required" to arrest, cite or imprison. Fact.

The cops witnessed the event but apparently did not believe a crime had been committed. Unlike some (*cough* you), I think the rules should be followed and therefore the officers' decisions are not the be-all and end-all. The police can later investigate, take statements, take it to the DA, and get a warrant issued upon a showing of probable cause.

I know it's not as fast as your Judge Dredd, never-erroneous, instant-justice approach but seems to have worked pretty well in our nation for 229 years and counting.
 
Yes pandemics like this leave a devastating wake in their aftermath. It sucks. My life has been turned upside down, as far as my businesses go, and I live on the other side of the planet. I'm just tired of the blame game, sorry, as far as blaming mayors and governors for following Trump-appointed CDC measures and directives.


you what????

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Tibs - why are you not screaming about social distancing, wearing of masks, using hand sanitizer, etc during these riots? Shouldn't the people at these riots thus be shamed - publicly shamed at that - for putting their own wants and needs above that of the community? I mean, that's been your stance since March regarding social distancing. Or does the Rona put an exemption on rioters?

For the record, IMO, the cop should have his knees removed. at the neck. **** him.
 
While you tit sticks are arguing about topics that are all over the damn place, I mean how did ******* Covid-19 get into this discussion?...I'm wondering why the Police Officers were simply fired and not placed in handcuffs and escorted to the county jail and booked? Murder 1 and accessory to murder are apparent. Put these asshats in with the general population and let nature take it's course.

I hope you piggies like **** milk.

BTW, I respect LEOs a great deal, what these guys did to that man makes them PIGs, not officers.
 
While you tit sticks are arguing about topics that are all over the damn place, I mean how did ******* Covid-19 get into this discussion?...I'm wondering why the Police Officers were simply fired and not placed in handcuffs and escorted to the county jail and booked? Murder 1 and accessory to murder are apparent. Put these asshats in with the general population and let nature take it's course.

I hope you piggies like **** milk.

BTW, I respect LEOs a great deal, what these guys did to that man makes them PIGs, not officers.

I speak not to the matter but rather the last comment. (Bad people did bad things, and should be punished fully, regardless of XYZ...bad people did bad things). So actions by the few can constitute a negative classification onto them(and by extension all of that same X) So, what classification can one put on looting, riots, and burning down of innocent structures?
 
To quote Omar "Someone did something bad".

BTW there are tons of murderers walking around that just haven't been picked up yet. You don't lose your constitutional rights just because you kill someone. You can Ask O.J. He even wrote a book about it.
 
What this cop did is absolutely inhuman.

That said there is a lapse in available videotape between when Lloyd seemed to be peacefully walking to the squad car and when he ended up on the ground with a knee on his neck. I'm not saying it might justify what happened but it's curious that there's no footage whatsoever of those moments.
 
While you tit sticks are arguing about topics that are all over the damn place, I mean how did ******* Covid-19 get into this discussion?...I'm wondering why the Police Officers were simply fired and not placed in handcuffs and escorted to the county jail and booked? Murder 1 and accessory to murder are apparent. Put these asshats in with the general population and let nature take it's course.

Oooooor ... how about the state charge the crime, the defendants are put on trial, and if guilty, face appropriate punishment?

I read somewhere that is what is supposed to be done. Oh yeah, read it here:

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Oooooor ... how about the state charge the crime, the defendants are put on trial, and if guilty, face appropriate punishment?

I read somewhere that is what is supposed to be done. Oh yeah, read it here:

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God damn that shots hard to read. Wait, maybe that’s the problem.
 
Hah, you may be on to something, ICS. If only we could get the document via the internet, in a more readable font ...

Not only different font but the whole thing needs to be updated to reflect our modern times. I mean that thing is so old it needs to be rewritten with our wussy, offended ,soft, fat, lazy selves in mind.
 
I speak not to the matter but rather the last comment. (Bad people did bad things, and should be punished fully, regardless of XYZ...bad people did bad things). So actions by the few can constitute a negative classification onto them(and by extension all of that same X) So, what classification can one put on looting, riots, and burning down of innocent structures?


National news this evening repeatedly referred to these fine citizens as protesters.
 
The thing is they are walking on pins and needles because of the police union as always... all you have to determine is if that neck lock is an approved method of detaining a suspect... it is not... its a banned martial arts move... and then arrest the guy for excessive force and pile on from there...

Yeah the scumbag deserves a day in court, but he shouldn’t get that much leeway... if he wasn’t a cop he would have been in lockup already...
 
National news this evening repeatedly referred to these fine citizens as protesters.

How ya think Wolf would feel with a good old state capital fire as a protest to our mandatory locked down,..... peaceful Protests.
 
Nah. They still wound read it. It’s too long.
Yes it's too long and wordy. The worst part is, it doesn't take into account our feelings. Some of the **** in there is downright emotionally hurtful. Needs rewritten.
 
National news this evening repeatedly referred to these fine citizens as protesters.

Tibs called last night's activity a "rally". I swear, sometimes I think we live in parallel universes.
 
Do they ever consider, after the riots, they may need to go to the corner store for something?
 
This **** is heart-breaking. Suspected forgery? No weapon...no threat what-so-ever. Unreal.
White collar crime.

Why the popopower trip?

So sad, so ******
 
Yes it's too long and wordy. The worst part is, it doesn't take into account our feelings. Some of the **** in there is downright emotionally hurtful. Needs rewritten.

We the people shall ensure no bodies feeling are hurt, regardless of........(they left that blank so you can fill it in your self. )
 
****'s getting ugly:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">At the Target in Minneapolis that was being looted tonight during the BLM riot, a woman in a wheelchair was attacked. <a href="https://t.co/JxsXTB30xI">pic.twitter.com/JxsXTB30xI</a></p>— Andy Ngô (@MrAndyNgo) <a href="https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1265860082408943616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Woman was crazy for attending a riot in a wheelchair.
 
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