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Trubisky!

BamaSteeler52 said:
I don't disagree, Bridgewater, same thing... Mitch and Haskins are both high round draft picks that no one seems to want to invest in long term in. They are both maybe middle of the road QB's stop gap players.
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Nah, I wouldn't put Mitch and Haskins in the same boat. One flamed out because of maturity and work ethic issues. The other was carving out a decent start to his career over 4 years with the Bears when they decided that they didn't want to invest more time to see if he would develop. He was also handicapped by the regime he was working under. But, you never heard anything bad about his work ethic or maturity.

The one year deal he signed with Buffalo last year is something I view as similar to JuJu re-signing here. The lowered salary cap meant he wasn't getting a long term deal anywhere. So he went someplace as a "place holder" until the market presumably increased this year. By all (unofficial media) accounts, there was going to be a pretty robust market for him this year. The Steelers, for once, just beat other teams to the punch.

None of this means he'll be great in Pittsburgh. Doesn't mean he'll fail either. One thing he has going for him as far as most fans go is that he's not Rudolph or Haskins. That goodwill will last until the first game unless he plays lights out.
 
BamaSteeler52 said:
I don't disagree, Bridgewater, same thing... Mitch and Haskins are both high round draft picks that no one seems to want to invest in long term in. They are both maybe middle of the road QB's stop gap players.
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Mitch and Haskins are still young. Maybe we'll see something special out of them now that Ben is gone. And maybe Rudolph. Sometimes I wonder how hard these guys try knowing they're not #1 like Ben was. I have a feeling Mitch has played just long enough to want this really bad. We'll see.
 
BamaSteeler52 said:
I don't disagree, Bridgewater, same thing... Mitch and Haskins are both high round draft picks that no one seems to want to invest in long term in. They are both maybe middle of the road QB's stop gap players.
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Haskins sucked when he was in Washington. Trubisky really didn't. He wasn't great like Mahomes who was in his draft class but he wasn't bad. Chicago was a bad team and they threw him to the wolves. Hopefully, they didn't ruin him as the Clowns did to so many QB's. He got to sit behind a similar QB in Allen and learn for a year. Hopefully, that did him a lot of good. But, if not, he is only on a 2-year deal. I still expect us to be looking to draft a QB next year or the year after. But, Trubisky, Rudolph, and even Haskins will have basically their last shot to be a starter in this league.
 
BamaSteeler52 said:
I see Mitch for what it is, he is that bridge QB that the Steelers can have on the cheep until we get our franchise QB. He will either stay on as a #2 or look for that next bridge job when that happens. I'm glad we have some QB competition going into next year, will be a good thing.
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Or Trubinsky could turn out. He had some good moments in Chicago but I thought he lost confidence and regressed. We'll get a chance to see if there's anything there without using draft capital or being locked in long term.

I'm way more pleased with this than I expected. Worst case scenario he sucks (which I don't expect) and we move on.
 
steelcan58 said:
Or Trubinsky could turn out. He had some good moments in Chicago but I thought he lost confidence and regressed. We'll get a chance to see if there's anything there without using draft capital or being locked in long term.

I'm way more pleased with this than I expected. Worst case scenario he sucks (which I don't expect) and we move on.
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And that's how I'm looking at it. We already know what we have QB wise. My gut is telling me after that message from Mitch we might be pleasantly surprised with his performance if the line can protect him for more than .25 seconds.
 
jiminoh said:
And that's how I'm looking at it. We already know what we have QB wise. My gut is telling me after that message from Mitch we might be pleasantly surprised with his performance if the line can protect him for more than .25 seconds.
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It would be nice to sign a FA OL and draft one in the first round. It's time we made some investment long-term. Last year was the equivalent of throwing up Hail Marys.
 
What will Mitch do without having an Allen Robinson to throw the ball up to? Robinson has made several QBs look better than they actually are.

So, we REALLY need to draft a top WR at 20!
 
TheDudeAbides said:
What will Mitch do without having an Allen Robinson to throw the ball up to? Robinson has made several QBs look better than they actually are.

So, we REALLY need to draft a top WR at 20!
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Hopefully Claypool has learned from his mistakes as he said the other day. Claypool could be a major weapon if he really meant it, and I think he did.
 
Steeltime said:
Two points:

1. There is no clear franchise QB in this draft. As many have discussed over the past two months, one of the QB's might be really good. It could be Desmond Ridder, it might be Malik Willis, it could be Derek Strong, maybe it's Kenny Pickett. But none of those guys is a top-tier prospect worth using the #20 pick.

2. The Steelers have an NFL-caliber starting QB in Trubisky. Good arm, mobile, threat to run, moves around the pocket well, two playoff games already under his belt, or two more than Rudolph, Haskins and every QB prospect combined. He won a division title and a wildcard spot with mediocre Bears team, featuring guys like Taylor Gabriel, Trey Burton, Anthony Miller and Darnell Mooney as the #2 receiver and Jordan Howard as the #1 RB.
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Some rebuttals:
  1. Ask a Bear's fan what they think of Trubisky. Sure, the team (e.g. the defense) won games, but it was not because of him. He has an awful Y/A, and rarely challenges teams deep. I think almost every pundit considered him to be a bridge QB anywhere he landed.
  2. There may not be a clear cut franchise QB, but that is not to say there wont be any Franchise QB's available. But isnt that typically the case? Most drafts may have one (or two) at most, and even then they are crap shoots.
  3. Almost everyone has said that if Malik sits for a spell and hits his potential (a big if), he would clearly be a franchise QB.
  4. The 20th pick is hardly a "Top" pick, and certainly not that high to take a swing on a QB with a high ceiling. Obv I would love if Malik is there at 20, but I would be just as happy with the other top mobile guys (Corral, maybe Howell). Desmond also could be a nice pickup in the 2nd.
 
TheDudeAbides said:
What will Mitch do without having an Allen Robinson to throw the ball up to? Robinson has made several QBs look better than they actually are.

So, we REALLY need to draft a top WR at 20!
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OLAAA .... OLAA ... OLAAAAAVE
OLAVE!! (Or Wilson ... lol)
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
Some rebuttals:
  1. Ask a Bear's fan what they think of Trubisky. Sure, the team (e.g. the defense) won games, but it was not because of him. He has an awful Y/A, and rarely challenges teams deep. I think almost every pundit considered him to be a bridge QB anywhere he landed.
  2. There may not be a clear cut franchise QB, but that is not to say there wont be any Franchise QB's available. But isnt that typically the case? Most drafts may have one (or two) at most, and even then they are crap shoots.
  3. Almost everyone has said that if Malik sits for a spell and hits his potential (a big if), he would clearly be a franchise QB.
  4. The 20th pick is hardly a "Top" pick, and certainly not that high to take a swing on a QB with a high ceiling. Obv I would love if Malik is there at 20, but I would be just as happy with the other top mobile guys (Corral, maybe Howell). Desmond also could be a nice pickup in the 2nd.
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It's a matter of not filling other needs if we use our first round pick on a QB. Right now we can't afford to do that.
 
Well, all I can say is that Trubisky is from Ohio.

Jack Lambert - from Ohio
James Harrison -from Ohio
Santonio Holmes - went to OSU
Ben Roethlisberger -from Ohio
Cameron Heyward -went to OSU

Nice pick Tomlin. lol
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
Some rebuttals:
Ask a Bear's fan what they think of Trubisky. Sure, the team (e.g. the defense) won games, but it was not because of him. He has an awful Y/A, and rarely challenges teams deep. I think almost every pundit considered him to be a bridge QB anywhere he landed.
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I doubt the Steelers signed him to tier-1 QB money so pretty much by definition he is a bridge to a QB drafted and expected to be the team's leader for a long time. As to how well he performed, and him not throwing deep, and Bears winning because defense ... I guess they haven't seen the Steelers the past 3 seasons. That describes the Steelers 100%, doesn't it? If the defense had a good game, the Steelers usually won. If the defense gave up 30 points, they lost because the offense has not been good. At all.

And throwing deep?

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Bigappleyinzer said:
There may not be a clear cut franchise QB, but that is not to say there wont be any Franchise QB's available. But isnt that typically the case? Most drafts may have one (or two) at most, and even then they are crap shoots.
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Available how? Free agency? Which franchise has a franchise QB and does not sign him long-term or franchise him at least twice? Also, the tactic of picking a guy not seen as a top-tier QB and then hoping he becomes one is basically why the Bears selected Trubisky, no? I prefer the team pick a QB that is actually seen as a franchise guy.

That is why I keep harping on protecting draft capital, getting an extra early pick, protecting the 3rd and 4th round picks, so the team can deal their #1, another #1 the next year, and something like a #2 to move up 10-12 spots to get a guy like that.

Bigappleyinzer said:
Almost everyone has said that if Malik sits for a spell and hits his potential (a big if), he would clearly be a franchise QB.
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If he sits, and if he learns, and if he gets more accurate, and if he develops, and if if grandpa had ****, he'd be grandma.

Bigappleyinzer said:
The 20th pick is hardly a "Top" pick, and certainly not that high to take a swing on a QB with a high ceiling. Obv I would love if Malik is there at 20, but I would be just as happy with the other top mobile guys (Corral, maybe Howell). Desmond also could be a nice pickup in the 2nd.
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You're just rolling the dice with those guys. Okay. But getting a QB who can actually start helps the team do so next year and 2023, with better QB crops. Some years are just not good for QB drafts. Why force it?

2019 had Kyler Murray, who I thought was "ehh." He is better than that but went 1-1. After him, Daniel Jones? Dwayne Haskins? Sam Darnold and Josh Rosen in 2018? Examples of teams forcing picks in a bad QB crop.

Willis is more likely Daniel Jones than Kyler Murray, more likely Dwayne Haskins than Joe Burrow.
 
Have the numbers come out yet? Unless they gave him huge money, this is a great deal for the Steelers. It’s acknowledging that this QB draft is a crapshoot. Even more than most years. There is not a single QB that blows you away with talent. You either have raw guys with upside like Willis and Ridder or high productions guys who lack elite skills like Pickett.

Trubisky is a better prospect than any in this draft. I’d actually say the same of Rudolph and Haskins as well. People forget what a great college career Rudolph had.

Trubisky wasn’t bad with the bears. He just wasn’t great and his team mostly stunk. In Trubisky’s 4 years in Chicago, he had 2 different Head Coaches and 3 different OCs. It should also be noted that the coach who drafted him, John Fox was gone after his rookie year. So Trubusky was not the pick of new coach Matt Nagy and they brought in Nick Foles to split time with him.

you don’t get drafted #2 overall for no reason. He was picked ahead of Mahomes and at the time, few disputed that. He still has big upside and has not been in a good situation yet. In a year without a good draft option, this is a great move…
 
I love the signing. Two years and gives the Steelers an opportunity to kick the tires on a guy who might be your next QB. Folks forget Trubisky was a "double-doink" 43 yard FG miss with 5 seconds left in the 2018 Eagles playoff game that would have put the Bears in the NFC Championship game. The Eagles won the SB that year.

If he does great next season the Steelers have $149M of cap room the following season to sign him long term or let him ride shotgun another year. I really like the signing.
 
tapeANaspirin2it said:
Have the numbers come out yet? Unless they gave him huge money, this is a great deal for the Steelers. It’s acknowledging that this QB draft is a crapshoot. Even more than most years. There is not a single QB that blows you away with talent. You either have raw guys with upside like Willis and Ridder or high productions guys who lack elite skills like Pickett.
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Yeah, my thoughts as well. Willis competed against one power five college team last season, Mississippi. He went 16-25 for 173 yards, 0 TD's, three interceptions. He is 6'1", 215 lbs. He really, really reminds me of Kordell Stewart, a guy who will have some amazing games, great throws, but also just stink like fish left in the trunk waaaay too much and a guy who is not to be counted on to lead a team on a game-winning drive with his arm rather than his legs.
 
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Confluence said:
Do we have terms yet?

Did Tombert keep the Steelers out of cap hell?
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You have to have a talented roster to be in cap hell. Usually due to paying QB 25% of your cap.

Steelers are more in Browns cap territory
 
Steeltime said:
Yeah, my thoughts as well. Willis competed against one power five college team last season, Mississippi. He went 16-25 for 173 yards, 0 TD's, three interceptions. He is 6'1", 215 lbs. He really, really reminds me of Kordell Stewart, a guy who will have some amazing games, great throws, but also just stink like fish left in the trunk waaaay too much and a guy who is not to be counted on to lead a team on a game-winning drive with his arm rather than his legs.
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Reminds me of Kordell Stewart is an automatic nope.
 
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