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New theory: Trump was implanted in this election by Clinton to create chaos in RNC.
 
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Yeah, you're right, but their way of thinking pisses me off. The socialists are so quick to give away free stuff to the lazy by stealing from the achievers without acknowledging that eventually the money will run out. Oh, and give away even more **** when Bumma has us $18 trillion in debt? It's just selfish and retarded.
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What's that quote by Churchill? If you aren't a liberal in your 20s, then you have no heart. If you aren't a conservative in your 40s, then you have no brain. (It's something like that). But yeah- I totally GET where they would support Bernie. They don't want to have all that college loan debt. I GET that. I was there once. They don't look past what is right in front of them right now (typical of kids that age). On the plus side, they DON'T support Hillary, which is good. They all think she's an awful person who has no credibility. So there's that.
 
Trump was Trump. I don't think he changed the meter enough with people that didn't like him going it.

Carson was a huge hit with women. HUGE. Women love their pediatricians and he came across as a guy everyone would want to have for their kids' doctor and he's smart as a whip and sarcastically funny. Hit home with every smart person in the audience.

Unfortunately neither of them is going to win the ticket.

I'm not sure who won among the real movers and shakers. I think they all did reasonably well except Rand Paul. He was awful. Lots of right-wing rhetoric when those stupid religious and social questions came up. Everyone dances around them with the stock answers. I guess the new pro-life answer is using the 14th amendment, but every time that issue come up you piss off 60% of America. Same thing with sticking to the same-sex marriage rhetoric. You hit home with the core, but you rub most of America the wrong way.

Good discussions and taxes and education, but the Republican Party has been talking about the same thing for 40 years and nothing ever changes (even when they are in power). No tax reform. Still a huge federal education budget. Federal government is bigger and puts more regulations on States.

Still too much "repeal Obamacare" for my liking. I think that law is staying now and we better get use to it. Same for a lot of things. Lots of B.S. talk about undoing what Obama has done and not enough talk about what new they would so (Cruz in particular). Repeal Obamacare, nix the Iran deal, undo Common Core.... lots and lots of undoing stuff. Not sure you win that way.
 
deljzc said:
Trump was Trump. I don't think he changed the meter enough with people that didn't like him going it.

Carson was a huge hit with women. HUGE. Women love their pediatricians and he came across as a guy everyone would want to have for their kids' doctor and he's smart as a whip and sarcastically funny. Hit home with every smart person in the audience.

Unfortunately neither of them is going to win the ticket.

I'm not sure who won among the real movers and shakers. I think they all did reasonably well except Rand Paul. He was awful. Lots of right-wing rhetoric when those stupid religious and social questions came up. Everyone dances around them with the stock answers. I guess the new pro-life answer is using the 14th amendment, but every time that issue come up you piss off 60% of America. Same thing with sticking to the same-sex marriage rhetoric. You hit home with the core, but you rub most of America the wrong way.

Good discussions and taxes and education, but the Republican Party has been talking about the same thing for 40 years and nothing ever changes (even when they are in power). No tax reform. Still a huge federal education budget. Federal government is bigger and puts more regulations on States.

Still too much "repeal Obamacare" for my liking. I think that law is staying now and we better get use to it. Same for a lot of things. Lots of B.S. talk about undoing what Obama has done and not enough talk about what new they would so (Cruz in particular). Repeal Obamacare, nix the Iran deal, undo Common Core.... lots and lots of undoing stuff. Not sure you win that way.
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Yea, like dems just let their core issues go without a fight. Never listen to a dem on how a republican should win an election. Romney nor McCain were religious zealots and they got their heads handed to them. Romney ran on the economy almost solely. What you and others don't realize is that if you don't carry your base you have no chance. There is more to the U.S. than abortion. Bush was anti abortion and won two terms. McCain and Romney almost never mentioned it and lost. So where is the proof of this "stupid religious" debate coming from? Your ***? I understand you don't like religious people but damn at least get your facts straight.

You think Reps can win by not talking about social issues, Obama care, common core, Iran ETC.. You're out of your damn mind. WTF has Clinton talked about? WTF is her plan? I don't want to hear about social issues, economy or foreign policy. I'm sick of that. So what's her plan for everything else?
 
There is no way Trump won the debate. I am shocked by the poll numbers. He has no voting records and has failed to provide many specifics as to what he is going to do. He evaded 2 direct questions. One was about when 4 of his companies went bankrupt and laid off 1100 people, and the other one was about the Iranian general visiting Putin which is against the new deal. He did not say anything that we have not heard 1000x by him already. He talks tough about america losing and he had the perfect chance to say how he would "win" against Iran and stand up to them and just fell totally flat. This is not the end of Trump obviously as the polls show, but to get my vote he is really going to have to step it up.
 
Odie the dog is starting to look real good right about now.
 
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There is no way Trump won the debate. I am shocked by the poll numbers. He has no voting records and has failed to provide many specifics as to what he is going to do. He evaded 2 direct questions. One was about when 4 of his companies went bankrupt and laid off 1100 people, and the other one was about the Iranian general visiting Putin which is against the new deal. He did not say anything that we have not heard 1000x by him already. He talks tough about america losing and he had the perfect chance to say how he would "win" against Iran and stand up to them and just fell totally flat. This is not the end of Trump obviously as the polls show, but to get my vote he is really going to have to step it up.
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I'm surprised Trump is seen as the winner of this debate. I really really liked what the guy was saying and right up until last night was really thinking about the possibility of backing him. But he came off as all style no substance, imo....an artful dodger. I liked his answers on being politically correct and am a little pissed that Megyn Kelly sort of baited him although he handled it.
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....made me feel like I'm not alone here. No way Trump won that debate IMO but somehow the numbers turn up in his favor. If I had to pick one person out of that pack as a "winner, it would probably be Rubio with cameos to Carson and Cruz. Paul did look small to me and Jeb sounded like a polished politician
 
Trump was about what I expected although I was surprised at the moderators efforts to make him look bad.
Cruz and Rubio did well. Paul was worse than I expected, Kasich and Huckabee were better than I expected.
I wish they asked Carson more questions.
 
Ron Burgundy said:
Trump was about what I expected although I was surprised at the moderators efforts to make him look bad.
Cruz and Rubio did well. Paul was worse than I expected, Kasich and Huckabee were better than I expected.
I wish they asked Carson more questions.
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I missed the last Carson comment where he hit it out of the park. Watched it this morning and LOVED it.
Paul did horribly. I was hoping for so much more from him other than attack dog. Didn't win me over at all. I liked Rubio's answers. Jeb Bush is a mouth breathing window licker. Please GOD do not let him get the nomination. When he denied that Common Core was a nationalized education plan, I about threw my beer at the TV. Even my daughter knew that was a steaming pile of horseshit.
 
Vader said:
Yea, like dems just let their core issues go without a fight. Never listen to a dem on how a republican should win an election. Romney nor McCain were religious zealots and they got their heads handed to them. Romney ran on the economy almost solely. What you and others don't realize is that if you don't carry your base you have no chance. There is more to the U.S. than abortion. Bush was anti abortion and won two terms. McCain and Romney almost never mentioned it and lost. So where is the proof of this "stupid religious" debate coming from? Your ***? I understand you don't like religious people but damn at least get your facts straight.

You think Reps can win by not talking about social issues, Obama care, common core, Iran ETC.. You're out of your damn mind. WTF has Clinton talked about? WTF is her plan? I don't want to hear about social issues, economy or foreign policy. I'm sick of that. So what's her plan for everything else?
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First, let's look at the reality of those two elections.

McCain got beat fair and square. He was old and didn't connect to most of the voters. His experience and platform was more war and the country (in 2008) was already sick of war (even if many agreed with war in principle). Obama did a GREAT job of campaigning and did a great job of finding votes. He mobilized young voters like no other presidential nominee in history. And when McCain made the desperate attempt to get the religion right/tea party crazies with Sarah Palin it backfired. He lost big and no amount of "being more religious" was going to change that. He lost 365-173 in the electoral college and by almost 10,000,000 million total votes (out of 130 million total votes) in the country.

In 2012, you are talking about unseating a sitting president in an economic upturn and that is historically unprecedented. It just doesn't happen. The economy was in recovery and still is (maybe not as fast as some would like, but it is recovering). And while I think Romney was a decent Republican candidate he wasn't special enough to unseat a president in that type of situation.

This is the Republican's chance. I am starting to come around on the idea Hillary is vulnerable, but I also think the FOX crew here is drastically underestimating her and how much money she has and how strong the idea of "4 more years of Bill Clinton" will pull in votes.

As I've stated at the start of any talk about Trump, it really comes down to winning Florida first and then (for all your religious people out there), praying you can win in Ohio and Virginia.

Unless there's a scandal that knocks either candidate way down, it's going to be a very close election next year. I saw enough from every Republican candidate last night to think the real potential ones will be able to hold there own in a 6-month long election process. I think Republicans should quickly dismiss Trump and Paul. I think Walker is trouble too. Bush, Rubio, Cruz, Huckabee and even Kasich probably have a good shot although each has their weaknesses which will be exploited.

There's no "perfect" candidate, which is why 17 are in the race. Eventually it will shake out and we can really start to debate head-to-head against the Democratic nominee and see where and how they will get to 270 electoral votes.
 
Deljzc First, let's look at the reality of those two elections.

McCain got beat fair and square. He was old and didn't connect to most of the voters. His experience and platform was more war and the country (in 2008) was already sick of war (even if many agreed with war in principle). Obama did a GREAT job of campaigning and did a great job of finding votes. He mobilized young voters like no other presidential nominee in history. And when McCain made the desperate attempt to get the religion right/tea party crazies with Sarah Palin it backfired. He lost big and no amount of "being more religious" was going to change that. He lost 365-173 in the electoral college and by almost 10,000,000 million total votes (out of 130 million total votes) in the country.

In 2012, you are talking about unseating a sitting president in an economic upturn and that is historically unprecedented. It just doesn't happen. The economy was in recovery and still is (maybe not as fast as some would like, but it is recovering). And while I think Romney was a decent Republican candidate he wasn't special enough to unseat a president in that type of situation.

This is the Republican's chance. I am starting to come around on the idea Hillary is vulnerable, but I also think the FOX crew here is drastically underestimating her and how much money she has and how strong the idea of "4 more years of Bill Clinton" will pull in votes.

As I've stated at the start of any talk about Trump, it really comes down to winning Florida first and then (for all your religious people out there), praying you can win in Ohio and Virginia.

Unless there's a scandal that knocks either candidate way down, it's going to be a very close election next year. I saw enough from every Republican candidate last night to think the real potential ones will be able to hold there own in a 6-month long election process. I think Republicans should quickly dismiss Trump and Paul. I think Walker is trouble too. Bush, Rubio, Cruz, Huckabee and even Kasich probably have a good shot although each has their weaknesses which will be exploited.

There's no "perfect" candidate, which is why 17 are in the race. Eventually it will shake out and we can really start to debate head-to-head against the Democratic nominee and see where and how they will get to 270 electoral votes.
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I'll admit it. McCain was awful. Almost as weak as Bob Dole was. His pick of Palin hurt him. Being old combined with the media embracing Obama to get out the vote meant he was going to lose.

Romney was a B- type of guy. After the first debate I thought this election was going to overtime, but I think he let his foot off the gas, and blew it. Mitt just did not connect well with people. Most past Presidents on either side would have beaten Obama in 2012.

But that was then and this now. Hillary is very suspect as a politician. She is not good speaker. She's not good on TV. She has many scandals. She isn’t trust worthy in the eyes of many. She did not accomplish anything in the Senate and had a bad exit as secretary of state.

Jeb Bush I think is better than either Romney or McCain were. Trump as a candidate is also better than either McCain or Romney.

I think Trump is going to poll well with people who do not follow politics, the young, and the low information types…the young and the low information types trend Democrat.

I also think the black turn out is going to be much lower, but the white turn out will be much higher.

DO NOT TRUST OLD MEDIA DATA.

What if Trump wins New York? Its game over. Trump is from the state and knows their pain better than any one. The Jews who 1.75 million in the state are becoming more Republican thanks to Obama. Yes--I'm saying NY could be in play. Its Trump's back yard.
 
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No way Coach.

New York voted 63% for the democratic nominee in 2008 and 2012. And 60% the two previous election that Bush won.

New York is as Blue a state as they come.

Trump's not that popular a force to change that. And for every friend in New York Trump made, he made a lot of enemies too.
 
Here's a nice recap...

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-08-07/fox-news-couldn-t-kill-trump-s-momentum-and-may-have-only-made-it-stronger

Fox News Couldn't Kill Trump’s Momentum and May Have Only Made It Stronger
Aug 7, 2015 6:30 AM EDT
Judging by Thursday’s electric debate, he may have sensed his true opponent before anyone else had a clue: the network.
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Joshua Green

A few hours before Thursday’s Fox News debate, a friend of Donald Trump’s confided to me that Trump was nervous. Not about the competition—he could handle them. No, Trump worried about Fox News, and in particular, debate moderator Megyn Kelly. She’d been hammering him all week on her show, and he was certain she was out to get him. He’d canceled a Fox News appearance on Monday night, the friend said, in order to avoid her. (Trump’s spokeswoman wouldn’t confirm or deny this.)

It turns out Trump was right. His toughest opponents Thursday night weren’t the candidates up on stage, but the Fox News moderators, who went right after him—none with more gusto than Kelly.

Kelly, the whip-smart queen of Fox News’ blonde stunners, went straight for the jugular. “You've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals,” she admonished Trump. “Does that sound to you like the temperament of a man we should elect as president?”

“I had more emotion about Fox News tonight than I did about Donald Trump.”

Janet Roberts, 69, a nurse in Bellville, Ohio
But Trump saw her coming a mile away and cut her off. “Only Rosie O’Donnell,” he barked, drawing cheers from the crowd. When Kelly tried to point out that he had insulted more women than O’Donnell, Trump, as he would all night, steamrolled right past her. “The big problem this country has is being politically correct,” Trump practically shouted, invoking conservatives’ favorite term of disdain. “I’ve been challenged by so many people and I don't frankly have time for total political correctness and to be honest with you this country doesn't have time either.” The crowd went wild.

Maybe they were cheering because the question was apropos of something Rachel Maddow would ask, and they were, after all, Republicans. But I think they were cheering because it was clear, at that moment, that Trump was going to be Trump, and wasn’t going to heed the pundits and phonies to tone down his act. According to a report in New York magazine, even his own daughter, Ivanka, was making that case.


When it became clear last week that Trump was the Republican front-runner, everyone assumed that the big battle shaping up in Republican politics was going to be between Trump and former Florida Governor Jeb Bush. But judging by Thursday’s raucous, electric debate, Trump may have sensed his true opponent before anyone else had a clue: It’s Fox News. Throughout the evening, Trump and his inquisitors battled back and forth like gladiators. Both parties emerged as huge winners. Though nearly devoid of substance, it was the most entertaining debate I’ve ever seen.

Trump led the way. His ethos—the blustering bravado and aggression—became the ethos of the whole affair. New Jersey Governor Chris Christie went bananas on Kentucky Senator Rand Paul. The crowd was roaring throughout. There was none of the stilted, awkward talk of the junior debate earlier in the evening. Political Twitter was throbbing with joy and satisfaction.

Hurling insults, Trump went after O’Donnell, political reporters, Bowe Bergdahl, China, Mexico, Japan, money lenders, and practically everyone in Washington. “Our leaders are stupid,” he said, “Our politicians are stupid.” He did stop short of calling Mexicans “rapists,” but not by much. “We need to build a wall, and it has to be built quickly,” he said. “We need to keep illegals out.”

While the moderators went after Trump, the candidates mostly shied away from him. In fact, consciously or otherwise, several echoed his points and nearly everyone tried to match his energy. Some even seemed to genuflect. “Donald Trump is hitting a nerve in this country,” Ohio Governor John Kasich said at one point. “Mr. Trump is touching a nerve because people want to see a wall being built.”

Only Paul mustered the nerve to launch a pair of (pretty weak) direct attacks. He might have regretted it. Trump dispatched him with a single, withering aside (“You’re having a hard time tonight”) that was all the more effective because it was true.

Trump’s Fox News antagonists had their moments, too. When moderator Chris Wallace invoked the four bankruptcies his companies have suffered, Trump, seeming genuinely angry, repeatedly fell back on an oddly phrased legalism: “I have used the laws of this country just like the greatest people you read about in the business section,” he said.

But it was Kelly who inflicted the deepest cut by rattling off the liberal positions Trump once held and stopping him cold with the question: “When did you actually become a Republican?” Trump’s bluster escaped him. He stammered nervously and seemed lost. “I’ve evolved on many issues over the years, and do you know who else has? Ronald Reagan,” he said feebly. “Very much evolved.” That’s as un-Trump-like a phrase as I’ve heard from him, something more befitting 2012 nominee Mitt Romney.

What’s more interesting than any Trump question or answer, though, was the larger dynamic at play. If Fox News has really turned on Trump, it will add a fascinating new twist to the race. Right now, Trump is the dominant candidate in the field because he has exerted a broad appeal to every part of the Republican Party. How might those Republicans react to Fox News—their own network!—aggressively trying to take down their favorite candidate?

To find out, I called Janet Roberts, 69, a nurse in Bellville, Ohio, who participated in last week’s Bloomberg Politics poll and supported Trump (“He has the balls to stand up to the career politicians”). She had agreed to give me her reaction immediately after the debate. When I called, Roberts was furious. “I had more emotion about Fox News tonight than I did about Donald Trump,” she told me. “Those questions were not professional questions. They were bullying. They were set up to purposely make them all look bad. Our country is a mess and I feel like the debate was an example of that. I’m still with Trump.”

In fact, Roberts said, after watching the debate, she felt even more strongly than before. “He was very composed,” she said. “It’s probably difficult for him, because he’s a very opinionated person.”

We won’t know for a few more days if other Republicans reacted to the debate as Roberts did. But my guess is that Trump didn’t hurt himself and might even emerge stronger than before. There’s an unspoken accord between Trump and his supporters that Thursday’s debate can only have intensified. Trump rants and raves in language that upsets and scandalizes the establishment. In return, his fans annoy the elite know-it-alls by rallying to him anyway. Together, they raise a big middle finger to everyone. That’s the art of the deal.
 
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Did you hear Cruz's answer to the ***** of Babylon near the end?



“Senator Cruz, start from you. Any word from God?” Kelly asked.

“Well, I am blessed to receive a word from God every day in receiving the scriptures and reading the scriptures. And God speaks through the Bible,” Cruz replied, to applause.

“I'm the son of a pastor and evangelist, and I've described many times how my father, when I was a child, was an alcoholic. He was not a Christian. And my father left my mother and left me when I was just three years old.

“And someone invited him to Clay Road Baptist Church. And he gave his heart to Jesus, and it turned him around. And he got on a plane and he flew back to my mother and me.

“I would also note that the scripture tells us, ‘You shall know them by their fruit.’ We see lots of campaign conservatives. But if we're going to win in 2016, we need a consistent conservative, someone who has been a fiscal conservative, a social conservative, a national security conservative.”

He added that he has “been proud to fight and stand for religious liberty, to stand against Planned Parenthood, to defend life for my entire career.”


Sen. Mark Rubio (R-Fla.) was next, but Kelly changed the question a bit, telling Rubio, “a woman just came here to the stage and asked, what about the veterans?” She then asked Rubio “about God and the veterans.”

“Well, first, let me say I think God has blessed us. He has blessed the Republican Party with some very good candidates. The Democrats can't even find one,” Rubio said to laughter and applause.

“And I believe God has blessed our country. This country has been extraordinarily blessed. And we have honored that blessing. And that's why God has continued to bless us.

“And he has blessed us with young men and women willing to risk their lives and sometimes die in uniform for the safety and security of our people.” He went on to talk about the failures of the Veterans Administration.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2015/08/07/fox-newss-aggressively-idiotic-questions/
 
Stating God favors one country over another is like the crazy athlete saying god blessed his team to victory because he prayed more than the other guy.

What a bunch of malarkey.

God shouldn't care where lines are drawn on a map.
 
deljzc said:
God shouldn't care where lines are drawn on a map.
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God gave us His Atom to blow all you heathens to Hell

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deljzc said:
First, let's look at the reality of those two elections.

McCain got beat fair and square. He was old and didn't connect to most of the voters. His experience and platform was more war and the country (in 2008) was already sick of war (even if many agreed with war in principle). Obama did a GREAT job of campaigning and did a great job of finding votes. He mobilized young voters like no other presidential nominee in history. And when McCain made the desperate attempt to get the religion right/tea party crazies with Sarah Palin it backfired. He lost big and no amount of "being more religious" was going to change that. He lost 365-173 in the electoral college and by almost 10,000,000 million total votes (out of 130 million total votes) in the country.

In 2012, you are talking about unseating a sitting president in an economic upturn and that is historically unprecedented. It just doesn't happen. The economy was in recovery and still is (maybe not as fast as some would like, but it is recovering). And while I think Romney was a decent Republican candidate he wasn't special enough to unseat a president in that type of situation.

This is the Republican's chance. I am starting to come around on the idea Hillary is vulnerable, but I also think the FOX crew here is drastically underestimating her and how much money she has and how strong the idea of "4 more years of Bill Clinton" will pull in votes.

As I've stated at the start of any talk about Trump, it really comes down to winning Florida first and then (for all your religious people out there), praying you can win in Ohio and Virginia.

Unless there's a scandal that knocks either candidate way down, it's going to be a very close election next year. I saw enough from every Republican candidate last night to think the real potential ones will be able to hold there own in a 6-month long election process. I think Republicans should quickly dismiss Trump and Paul. I think Walker is trouble too. Bush, Rubio, Cruz, Huckabee and even Kasich probably have a good shot although each has their weaknesses which will be exploited.

There's no "perfect" candidate, which is why 17 are in the race. Eventually it will shake out and we can really start to debate head-to-head against the Democratic nominee and see where and how they will get to 270 electoral votes.
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Personally I don't like your anti Christian jabs. Please share your views so I can make fun of them and deride them at every turn.

Now to what you said. You said that Reps shouldn't run on social issues because they will lose. I stated accurately that they were losing when they didn't focus on social issues. Now you are just giving a general interpretation of what happened during the election. Which means nothing because if you were right then both should have won because they did exact what you are suggesting. So that must not be it right?

Hillary is beatable. Hell I'm not sure she is even going to get the dem nomination. She should be in jail. Every time she speaks she losses support. She's a lying, cheating ***** of a woman. Nobody likes her... even dems don't like her.

Of course the reps have their weakness. But none of them are offenses like sending classified information over emails, lying about Benghazi, lying about being shot at ETC...
 
deljzc said:
No way Coach.

New York voted 63% for the democratic nominee in 2008 and 2012. And 60% the two previous election that Bush won.

New York is as Blue a state as they come.

Trump's not that popular a force to change that. And for every friend in New York Trump made, he made a lot of enemies too.
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yes, but now NYC elected a communist mayor who is quickly turning their city into a shithole. Voters may be more willing to listen now when Reps say that socialist policies don't work.
 
Coach said:
Rand Paul
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Rand Paul looked like a little curly haired Bantam rooster looking for a fight - bawk - the big cocks weren't interested in the small fry
 
Debate viewers 24 Million. Johns Stewart's final farewell 3 Million. Who will tell liberals what to think now?
 
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