U.S. House passes healthcare bill in big win for Trump

[Spike]

The U.S. House of Representatives approved a bill on Thursday to repeal major parts of Obamacare and replace it with a Republican healthcare plan, handing President Donald Trump his biggest legislative victory but setting up a tough fight in the Senate.

With the 217-213 vote, Republicans obtained just enough support to push the legislation through the House, sending it to the Senate for consideration. No Democrats voted for the bill.

The bill's passage represented a vital step toward fulfilling a top Trump campaign pledge and a seven-year Republican quest to dismantle Barack Obama's signature healthcare law.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-healthcare-idUSKBN18014F?il=0

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I'd laugh if, tomorrow, the Senate said...okay...let's vote, and got their 51 votes.

 

[jitter77]

Not sure how i feel about this. I hate obamacare, especially the penalties and i have not seen an answer on if this bill addresses them. Also they seemed to pass the bill just to pass something. I just don't see how it is going to be any better than what we have now

 

[Roy92040]

Now we can move onto the protests.


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[Superman]

good. now that it's passed, we can see what's in it. no sense in not passing it, right, Dems?

 

[ark steel]

Not sure how i feel about this. I hate obamacare, especially the penalties and i have not seen an answer on if this bill addresses them. Also they seemed to pass the bill just to pass something. I just don't see how it is going to be any better than what we have now

It should have repealed it completely and gone back to before Obamacare.

The big issue with the penalties is, if you force the insurance companies to provide coverage for everyone regardless of pre-conditions, you MUST require everyone to purchase insurance. If you don't, the only people who buy the policies are those with pre-existing conditions and no one can afford the premiums.

 

[SteelChip]

That was the easy part. From what I hear, this bill may never even see the light of day in the Senate.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-repeal-senate-mcconnell-236326

 

[jitter77]

It should have repealed it completely and gone back to before Obamacare.

The big issue with the penalties is, if you force the insurance companies to provide coverage for everyone regardless of pre-conditions, you MUST require everyone to purchase insurance. If you don't, the only people who buy the policies are those with pre-existing conditions and no one can afford the premiums.

Right....People with insurance who dont use it are getting shafted. Also people without insurance and who have a job are getting shafted by penalties. People with no income or prisoners benefit the most which is just plain wrong

 

[Spike]

Included in it



House Votes To Defund Planned Parenthood

Vice President Mike Pence touted the vote at an anti-abortion group’s annual gala Wednesday night.

“The day Obamacare passed was also a day of disappointment for the sanctity of life, but hope is finally shining through,” Pence said. “When this bill passes, it will be one of the defining victories for life.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/health-care-bill-planned-parenthood_us_590b3605e4b05c397686eea7

 

[Steeltime]

That was the easy part. From what I hear, this bill may never even see the light of day in the Senate.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/obamacare-repeal-senate-mcconnell-236326

Nope. Dems deemed Obamacare a spending bill that did not require cloture. Same is true for this thing. However, not sure how the hell this bill is supposed to fix the lack of private insurers wanting to provide health insurance, or the massive deductibles, or the premium spikes.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Nope. Dems deemed Obamacare a spending bill that did not require cloture. Same is true for this thing. However, not sure how the hell this bill is supposed to fix the lack of private insurers wanting to provide health insurance, or the massive deductibles, or the premium spikes.

Like I said a while ago, the GOP had seven years to come up with something better but obviously they didn't think a Republican would beat Hildebeast so they never bothered to work on a serious plan.

 

[RollRed]

I am convinced that there is no solution.... the government cant do it.... the free market can't do it.... nobody will ever figure out a way to make sure the average American citizen can afford to get sick without doing something about what doctors and hospitals charge for the services they provide. A five hour heart surgery can't cost $40 grand. A hospital bed can't cost thousands of dollars a day. A round of chemotherapy can't cost tens of thousands of dollars. The only way an insurance company can cover someone is to charge a fuckton of money for it. The costs are so beyond what a regular person can afford, there just isn't a feasible way to solve this problem unless costs come down.

 

[SteelerInLebanon]

I am convinced that there is no solution.... the government cant do it.... the free market can't do it.... nobody will ever figure out a way to make sure the average American citizen can afford to get sick without doing something about what doctors and hospitals charge for the services they provide. A five hour heart surgery can't cost $40 grand. A hospital bed can't cost thousands of dollars a day. A round of chemotherapy can't cost tens of thousands of dollars. The only way an insurance company can cover someone is to charge a fuckton of money for it. The costs are so beyond what a regular person can afford, there just isn't a feasible way to solve this problem unless costs come down.

Yes that is correct except the free market can be a big part of the solution if get rid of insurance as we know it today and go to a true free market where you can shop for services and price compare and quality compare.

 

[jitter77]

I don't know what the solution is. First of all cut spending to foreign countries. Even if we just cut it in half we are looking at an extra 20 billion dollars. 2nd I would include a flat healthcare tax. Could be a percent of total income or like a sales tax. Part of this would include gutting federal government and lowering the federal tax rate. Not sure how much that would generate. I don't know what drives medical costs up, but if everyone gets "free" healthcare I would think medical costs would go down in general

 

[deljzc]

I'm more and more torn on this issue. I'm not a real big fan of this "plan". The insurance companies still wrote it and the insurance companies and big hospital conglomerates are still going to be the ones raking in billions.

I know this isn't the consensus here and certainly not what I was raised to believe or even what I really want, but nationalized, single-payer government run health care might be best. Maybe it just covers all the big **** and the insurance companies and people can fight over the doctor and minor ER visits and specialists and referrals.

I think the Medicare system is probably the "best" we can do (and by no means is it great but it's fair). Maybe we start by lowering the age of Medicare from 65 to 55. Maybe we create a nationalized system for families covering anything over $10,000 in a fiscal year. Let's face it, in many cases it's not people's fault that incur 10's of thousands in health care cost before the age of 55. Most of that stuff is surprise, catastrophic crap that happens to people.

Once you get all the people over 55 under the Medicare umbrella (and they do pay something into the system, just like people over 65 pay a portion of the social security check), and then you cover all the big surprise stuff for families and people below the age of 55, then insurance you buy through your employer or privately will go down to $25/week to cover all the other **** and prescriptions and stuff.

Insurance companies would lose the hell out but maybe that's for the best. **** them. I don't trust them at all.

 

[ark steel]

I don't know what drives medical costs up, but if everyone gets "free" healthcare I would think medical costs would go down in general

Government and insurance subsidization and government regulations.

Uhh, giving it away is the same a subsidizing it. That never makes "costs" go down. Ever.

 

[Sarge]

Pre-exisitng conditions coverage has to go. Lets say I am 40 years old, and I have never purchased insurance. Never paid in. Now suddenly, I am diagnosed with some sort of terminal cancer. I go and sign up for health care and instantly get hundreds of thousands of dollars in coverage and never paid a god damn thing. Also, the insurance I just got is subsidized by other tax payers. How is that more affordable? The cost has to be made up somewhere, and the healthy, working tax payer is the one that has to pay for it. It is a ******* ponzi scheme. Much like the rest of our tax code, where we give $8000 dollar refunds to illegal aliens and low income people that did not pay in what they take out. Asking our government to manage any of this is beyond retarded. Our country is $20 trillion in debt. And we think they can do things like balance the budget and make health care affordable? PFFFFFFFFFT.

 

[ark steel]

Here is the deal/. If I am responsible for helping pay for your medical care, can i then designate what you can or can't do? I mean, should it be within socieity's power to say you can't smoke, drink or whatever risky behavior you want to engage in?

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Here is the deal/. If I am responsible for helping pay for your medical care, can i then designate what you can or can't do? I mean, should it be within socieity's power to say you can't smoke, drink or whatever risky behavior you want to engage in?

That kind of stuff already happens in England. So you end up where there are laws that make it illegal to be on a ladder taller than a step ladder. That means if you want to pait your house or clean the gutters you must erect a scaffold and then you need to be licensed to erect a scaffold. I mean, you could fall from a ladder and then that's a burden on taxpayers.

 

[ark steel]

That kind of stuff already happens in England. So you end up where there are laws that make it illegal to be on a ladder taller than a step ladder. That means if you want to pait your house or clean the gutters you must erect a scaffold and then you need to be licensed to erect a scaffold. I mean, you could fall from a ladder and then that's a burden on taxpayers.

zackly my point. You can carry it even further and further and further....all you need is a bigger gubmint

 

[steel shinin]

I'm more and more torn on this issue. I'm not a real big fan of this "plan". The insurance companies still wrote it and the insurance companies and big hospital conglomerates are still going to be the ones raking in billions.

I know this isn't the consensus here and certainly not what I was raised to believe or even what I really want, but nationalized, single-payer government run health care might be best. Maybe it just covers all the big **** and the insurance companies and people can fight over the doctor and minor ER visits and specialists and referrals.

I think the Medicare system is probably the "best" we can do (and by no means is it great but it's fair). Maybe we start by lowering the age of Medicare from 65 to 55. Maybe we create a nationalized system for families covering anything over $10,000 in a fiscal year. Let's face it, in many cases it's not people's fault that incur 10's of thousands in health care cost before the age of 55. Most of that stuff is surprise, catastrophic crap that happens to people.

Once you get all the people over 55 under the Medicare umbrella (and they do pay something into the system, just like people over 65 pay a portion of the social security check), and then you cover all the big surprise stuff for families and people below the age of 55, then insurance you buy through your employer or privately will go down to $25/week to cover all the other **** and prescriptions and stuff.

Insurance companies would lose the hell out but maybe that's for the best. **** them. I don't trust them at all.

This is one of the most sensible things I have ever seen anyone post in here.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

Nationalized anything is an automatic cesspool of graft and corruption. The remedy for government manipulation of a market is not more government.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

If anybody thinks that moving the insurance function to the government is the answer, they are just idiots.

 

[CharlesDavenport]

I predict that whatever this is will not pass the senate. I have no idea why there is any resistance to trans issues from the republicans. Not clear if any of them have dicks.

 

[Steelin]

If anybody thinks that moving the insurance function to the government is the answer, they are just idiots.

If you want something to be ruined, just turn it over to the gubmint. It can **** up a wet dream with regulations, fines, graft and corruption. I don't want them controlling my health care. At all.

 

[Yinzerlyn]

That kind of stuff already happens in England. So you end up where there are laws that make it illegal to be on a ladder taller than a step ladder. That means if you want to pait your house or clean the gutters you must erect a scaffold and then you need to be licensed to erect a scaffold. I mean, you could fall from a ladder and then that's a burden on taxpayers.

But what if you fall off of a step ladder???