Very interesting with Aiyuk

[stillwright]

Meh id say casual FF may have... regular FF has been around for decades... it was hardcore, just Tds for a long time and all done by pen and paper... drafts were in person, often st a bar... now its online instant gratification with points for everything to keep the casuals happy..

The first time I played was 1989 I think. I remember combing thru the sports pages figuring out everyones scores. Lol

 

[SteelerFan448]

You can bet that they ARE in fact using analytics. They may not run out and buy a fantasy FB magazine to get that information, but they are damn sure using them. They would be foolish not to. The old days of scouting only are over, YOU are behind the curve.

Fantasy football is literally points assigned to statistics. There's literally no analytics involved in fantasy points. More yards and TDs = more fantasy points. If I went in for an NFL front office interview and suggested this is how I evaluated players they would laugh and kick me out immediately. Analytics are completely different and involve way more math.

 

[SteelerFan448]

I don’t believe that he ever said, or meant to imply that fantasy stats are the ONLY way to evaluate talent. Fantasy analytics are just one of MANY ways that players are being evaluated every year. The league has kept stats for decades, and not just so they can employ people to compile them. Teams that ONLY rely on their “feelings” are dinosaurs and headed to extinction.

You don’t like Fantasy FB, I get that, I’m not really a fan either. I can see though how talent evaluation has changed in the last decade or so. You can bet that they are also using biometrics now too. There will also be something new come along that will change things even more. Just because YOU refuse to accept change, for whatever reason, doesn’t mean it won’t change.

I don’t like Free Agency, and feel it has really destroyed the game. Same with the salary cap, and switching away from the BLOCK NUMBERS, for fuxcs sake.

He literally said the top performing players are the top fantasy players. I also love playing fantasy football, especially dynasty. Analytics, biometrics, etc. aren't remotely close to the same as fantasy football. Those are all legit ways to look at a game. Fantasy football is looking at who had the most yards and TDs in a box score. Good fantasy players do not always equate to being the best football players.

 

[slashsteel]

I don’t believe that he ever said, or meant to imply that fantasy stats are the ONLY way to evaluate talent. Fantasy analytics are just one of MANY ways that players are being evaluated every year. The league has kept stats for decades, and not just so they can employ people to compile them. Teams that ONLY rely on their “feelings” are dinosaurs and headed to extinction.

You don’t like Fantasy FB, I get that, I’m not really a fan either. I can see though how talent evaluation has changed in the last decade or so. You can bet that they are also using biometrics now too. There will also be something new come along that will change things even more. Just because YOU refuse to accept change, for whatever reason, doesn’t mean it won’t change.

I don’t like Free Agency, and feel it has really destroyed the game. Same with the salary cap, and switching away from the BLOCK NUMBERS, for fuxcs sake.

I have to disagree that they use fantasy stats to evaluate talent. Analytics in general existed prior to fantasy football. But a team better stick to the tape as their bread and butter. It isn’t about their feelings it is about their eyesight and athleticism evaluations, and level of college competition as well as if that scheme inflated their stats. That can carry over to free agency as well. That will always be the main bread and butter as it should be.

 

[madinsomniac]

He literally said the top performing players are the top fantasy players. I also love playing fantasy football, especially dynasty. Analytics, biometrics, etc. aren't remotely close to the same as fantasy football. Those are all legit ways to look at a game. Fantasy football is looking at who had the most yards and TDs in a box score. Good fantasy players do not always equate to being the best football players.

True. Fantasy scoring in this day might be something like
6pts per td
1 point per reception
1 point per 10 yards rushing/receiving
1 point per 20 yards passing
-2 per int or fumble
Maybe something like 1 bonus point for 100 yards rushing or 400 yards passing
Or maybe a bonus point for Passes or rushes over 50 yards...

Analytics are more like passer rating under center vs in the shotgun, or receptions in the slot or high end equations like offensive efficiency or stats above replacement stuff...

 

[madinsomniac]

So Hines ward lays a block that springs a RB for a long TD

Fantasy football rewards the RB for the running yards and TD. Ward made the play, but gets nothing from it

Analytics, on the other hand, has some "yards gained after block" stat that rewards ward for the play

 

[slashsteel]

So Hines ward lays a block that springs a RB for a long TD

Fantasy football rewards the RB for the running yards and TD. Ward made the play, but gets nothing from it

Analytics, on the other hand, has some "yards gained after block" stat that rewards ward for the play

We have to get rid of Hines he sucked in regards to fantasy statistics. Who needs clutch players when you can have a player that looks prettier on the stats sheets.

 

[NormalJake]

Should have gotten rid of of that Ben Roethlisberger also. His fantasy stats were not good most of his career. Should have traded for Romo or Palmer or Newton or Ryan or Schaub or Cousins, the list goes on of guys who more often than not were better football players than Ben since they were better in fantasy football. Man that Montana was overrated too, he was consistently behind many other qbs in fantasy points

 

[Confluence]

Meh id say casual FF may have... regular FF has been around for decades... it was hardcore, just Tds for a long time and all done by pen and paper... drafts were in person, often st a bar... now its online instant gratification with points for everything to keep the casuals happy..

I just showed my boys my old "lab book" filled with my fantasy leagues from 30 years ago..... when I'd grab the morning paper on Monday and score the entire league by Monday night.

Took Bettis way too early in '05; so glad to have FWP too!

 

[SteelerSask2]

I honestly wish I enjoyed FF. I really do. But I spend so much of my life in football I barely know players from other teams. I was in a league for two years. Loved the draft. The **** talk. Food. Booze. So I ask two friends in the league when is the draft. They both looked at shoes. They replaced me cause I wasn't active enough with trade requests setting rosters etc. . Kinda Awkward but funny.

 

[bigben]

Your stuuupid...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Fantasy football - COMEDY ******* gold!!! I thought @stillwright won today, but, no sir, you did it!!!

Can't argue my factual statements so you name call.

 

[bigben]

Based on your criteria using fantasy to evaluate players, Patrick Mahomes is the third best QB and studs like Anthony Richardson and Kyler Murray ranked 5th and 7th, respectively, ahead of Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert. You'd also have Puka Nakua as the 8th best WR in the league. You can keep your fantasy stats to evaluate players.

The QB are more variable due to rushing and goal line rushes like Allen and Hurts. Burrow and Herbert will be taken before Richardson and Murray Yes I would take Nacua over Ayuik 8 days a week.

 

[bigben]

I don’t believe that he ever said, or meant to imply that fantasy stats are the ONLY way to evaluate talent. Fantasy analytics are just one of MANY ways that players are being evaluated every year. The league has kept stats for decades, and not just so they can employ people to compile them. Teams that ONLY rely on their “feelings” are dinosaurs and headed to extinction.

You don’t like Fantasy FB, I get that, I’m not really a fan either. I can see though how talent evaluation has changed in the last decade or so. You can bet that they are also using biometrics now too. There will also be something new come along that will change things even more. Just because YOU refuse to accept change, for whatever reason, doesn’t mean it won’t change.

I don’t like Free Agency, and feel it has really destroyed the game. Same with the salary cap, and switching away from the BLOCK NUMBERS, for fuxcs sake.

Fantasy is a game but fantasy points come from actual in game real world production. Plain and simple. I do not understand how that is above some peoples comprehension level?

 

[bkwheat28]

Your stuuupid...BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Fantasy football - COMEDY ******* gold!!! I thought @stillwright won today, but, no sir, you did it!!!

Everyone knows real football evaluation of talent is determined by EA’s Madden ratings……

 

[bigben]

Fantasy football is literally points assigned to statistics. There's literally no analytics involved in fantasy points. More yards and TDs = more fantasy points. If I went in for an NFL front office interview and suggested this is how I evaluated players they would laugh and kick me out immediately. Analytics are completely different and involve way more math.

Fantasy points are based off real world stats. You're right, you don't have to analyze them. If they are not looking at numbers and statistics what are they looking at? How do they do math and analytics without the numbers?

 

[BLITZ]

I love FF. but hate what it did to the game. the minute the NFL realized how popular FF was and started showing stats at games, Scoring became more and more popular.
then they realize that females play FF also. Awesome! another demographic for the greed machine to go after.
Must score more points. **** defense.

 

[bigben]

I have to disagree that they use fantasy stats to evaluate talent. Analytics in general existed prior to fantasy football. But a team better stick to the tape as their bread and butter. It isn’t about their feelings it is about their eyesight and athleticism evaluations, and level of college competition as well as if that scheme inflated their stats. That can carry over to free agency as well. That will always be the main bread and butter as it should be.

So in you're mind fantasy stats are not based on the actual stats? Please explain

 

[jitter77]

I understand using stats and analytics to evaluate players, but a lot of it is based on assumptions or opinion based for the formulas. In baseball I think the analytics work better because you can physically measure a hitters exit velo or see where he is hitting the ball. Same for pitchers you can see the movement / location / speed of the pitch. In football there are many many variables which make it near impossible to create a great formula. If you look at the PFF rankings there are many head scratching evaluations on there. Same with the QB and QBR rating many times it does not seem to line up w/ how the QB played. I think stats can help somewhat, but I think some teams fall in love with the analytics and forget the eye test. I go back to the combine where teams are enamored w/ the freak athletes and forget they are evaluatiing how they actually play football.

 

[slashsteel]

So in you're mind fantasy stats are not based on the actual stats? Please explain

They serve a different purpose they aren’t analytics. They are really only good for people who play fantasy football. What makes you think a GM would use them? I see here you had an excellent fantasy football season. We are going to jump your contract up to 30 million a year with incentives if you increase your fantasy football statistics in year 2,3, and 4.

 

[stillwright]

So in you're mind fantasy stats are not based on the actual stats? Please explain

How did you pull that from his post?

 

[bermudasteel]

Can't argue my factual statements so you name call.

Take it easy, I was being sarcastic. No need to cry.

Factual statements??? How about you go ahead and apply for a GM job with those fact-finding credentials...

 

[Confluence]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-plan-to-eventually-extend-george-pickens-contract-regardless-of-brandon-aiyuk-outcome-per-report/

 

[diver]

I won't play fantasy football. I tried it, but I realized that if there was a Raider, Cowboy or a host other teams sitting there at my pick, even if he was a sure point machine, I wouldn't take him. Kinda doesn't bode well for my results.

 

[BLITZ]

I won't play fantasy football. I tried it, but I realized that if there was a Raider, Cowboy or a host other teams sitting there at my pick, even if he was a sure point machine, I wouldn't take him. Kinda doesn't bode well for my results.

yeah in my big money league last year I had Lamar as QB and chase as a WR. sucks, but it does make more games more interesting.

 

[diver]

yeah in my big money league last year I had Lamar as QB and chase as a WR. sucks, but it does make more games more interesting.

When I did it I had the same problem as Sask, too. I'd start out somewhat gung-ho, but as the season went on, fall trout, fall bird hunting and all that, I'd forget to put my line up in and then rush it and would have guys playing who were out. I'd never make transactions. No one cried when I left the league either.