We saw the sore spot on the Defense in that playoff game. Ike Taylor was punked by Tebow & Thomas for an 80yd TD. They let Lewis walk a year later. Game changing to more of a pass oriented game. To not focus on drafting a DB in the first three rounds the last 3 drafts is just inexcusable! Whether it's LeBeau, Tomlin, Colbert, or the Rooney's. They have needed DB's more than any other position the last 3 seasons and they only draft a 4th rounder & 5th rounder. Give me a break! But we draft Dri Archer who has almost as many rushing yards this season the NFL as all of us here at Steeler Nation do combined!
We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!
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We saw the sore spot on the Defense in that playoff game. Ike Taylor was punked by Tebow & Thomas for an 80yd TD. They let Lewis walk a year later. Game changing to more of a pass oriented game. To not focus on drafting a DB in the first three rounds the last 3 drafts is just inexcusable! Whether it's LeBeau, Tomlin, Colbert, or the Rooney's. They have needed DB's more than any other position the last 3 seasons and they only draft a 4th rounder & 5th rounder. Give me a break! But we draft Dri Archer who has almost as many rushing yards this season the NFL as all of us here at Steeler Nation do combined!
So sick of the excuses for Tomlin. I swear some of you love being a (at best) mediocre team.
If the players suck on a consistent basis, who's job is it to replace them? Who's job is it to change schemes and try to FIX what's not working? Oh, no, not the head coach right?
If the players suck on a consistent basis, who's job is it to replace them? Who's job is it to change schemes and try to FIX what's not working? Oh, no, not the head coach right?
Most head coaches yes but not Tomlin because he's special.
I have been saying it all season long.
He is nothing more than a .500 percentage coach. Not the worst, but just bad enough to be not good enough.
Mediocre at best, which will cost the team a playoff spot more often than not.
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The drafting process and replacing of players yes, that's on Tomlin and Colbert. Lack of adjustments? Ok I'll buy that, Tomlin's fault too. But, it doesn't matter what scheme you want to run if you are dropping passes, making stupid throws and blowing assignments. The players should not get a free pass when they are the ones out of the field sucking. That's no excuse making for Tomlin, it's the LACK of excuse making for players, especially players like Ben who have been there before and should be above it. They need to man up and perform.
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I don't know that there are 4 DL on the entire roster worthy of being first stringers in the NFL. Maybe just one now that Keisel is out.
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I'm over hearing "Ben was overthrowing the whole game"
Yeah he was, but he's been doing that bullshit for years, especially against bad teams. Nobody has ever held Ben accountable for his mistakes or coached the bad habits out of him in 11 years. And they continue to rear their ugly head at the worst of times.
I'm tired of hearing "the defense was getting pushed around, is that Tomlin's fault too?"
These *** clowns have been getting pushed around for four years and there is NO help on the horizon. There are NO stand out players on our defense. Troy, Harrison, and Ike try hard but are shells of their former selves, Timmons has never been more than steadily good, Heyward is up-and-coming but not a Pro Bowler, .. who else is on the defense? He's had EIGHT YEARS to build a defense and this bullshit is what he has to show for himself. If I were building a new Steelers team from scratch, Cam Heyward might be the only defender on the roster I think about keeping (not enough to go on yet with Shazier).
The same goes for the offensive line that STILL sucks in 2014 despite drafting several guys who appear, on all accounts, to be talented. The WR corps outside of Antonio Brown, who is widely known as one of the hardest workers in the league (aka self-made, can overcome a bad system), is pretty much trash save for the up-and-coming Martavis who is too raw to make a consistent impact. Wheaton is not an impact player, he's just a guy. And we need him to be more.
It's amazing what playing with competent coaching can do for a player's career. Everyone knows Rex Ryan's offenses are trash. I'd love him as our next DC, I think it would be a match made in heaven, but he simply can't do offense. Mark Sanchez, who is ridiculously talented and has been a winner his entire college career, goes to the Jets and is basically known for the butt fumble and being a turnover machine. What a shock, he goes to the Eagles and is now a more-than-competent NFL QB. Gee whiz, ya don't say. Offensive players go to the Jets for their careers to DIE. Is anyone shocked that Josh Mauro goes to the Cardinals and starts getting sacks right away? Keenan Lewis is a MORE than adequate DB in NO after never seeing the field for 2 or 3 years here. Emmanuel Sanders looks like he can't catch a ************* cold in Pittsburgh, but put him with Peyton and he's god damn Jerry Rice overnight. Bill Belichick's teams are the consistently among the best in the league REGARDLESS of who is on the roster, besides Tom Brady. And even at this point, Brady is old as ******* Moses and they're STILL regularly thrashing people with a roster full of people none of us would have ever heard of if not for playing on that team. Coaching matters, systems matter, the game plans matter. Good coaching can make good players great. and bad coaching can make good players look bad.
When we have to point the fingers and blame the players for making the same mistakes across weeks, months, and YEARS, committing turnovers, penalties, special teams gaffes, constantly getting pushed around, regularly leaving wide open receivers streaking downfield, etc. you have to ask yourself: is this a result of bad coaching?
Are we, to some degree, seeing the same effect Rex Ryan has on offenses? Are we, to some degree, seeing the opposite effect of what Belichick has brought to New England? I think the answer is obviously yes. If it were a one-off thing every now and again that a player ***** up, fine, blame the player. But we are consistently bringing in talented guys and getting NOTHING out of them. Especially on defense. If you can't see this for what it is, and still think it's "the players' faults" I implore you to watch the New York Jets and the New England Patriots.
Yeah he was, but he's been doing that bullshit for years, especially against bad teams. Nobody has ever held Ben accountable for his mistakes or coached the bad habits out of him in 11 years. And they continue to rear their ugly head at the worst of times.
I'm tired of hearing "the defense was getting pushed around, is that Tomlin's fault too?"
These *** clowns have been getting pushed around for four years and there is NO help on the horizon. There are NO stand out players on our defense. Troy, Harrison, and Ike try hard but are shells of their former selves, Timmons has never been more than steadily good, Heyward is up-and-coming but not a Pro Bowler, .. who else is on the defense? He's had EIGHT YEARS to build a defense and this bullshit is what he has to show for himself. If I were building a new Steelers team from scratch, Cam Heyward might be the only defender on the roster I think about keeping (not enough to go on yet with Shazier).
The same goes for the offensive line that STILL sucks in 2014 despite drafting several guys who appear, on all accounts, to be talented. The WR corps outside of Antonio Brown, who is widely known as one of the hardest workers in the league (aka self-made, can overcome a bad system), is pretty much trash save for the up-and-coming Martavis who is too raw to make a consistent impact. Wheaton is not an impact player, he's just a guy. And we need him to be more.
It's amazing what playing with competent coaching can do for a player's career. Everyone knows Rex Ryan's offenses are trash. I'd love him as our next DC, I think it would be a match made in heaven, but he simply can't do offense. Mark Sanchez, who is ridiculously talented and has been a winner his entire college career, goes to the Jets and is basically known for the butt fumble and being a turnover machine. What a shock, he goes to the Eagles and is now a more-than-competent NFL QB. Gee whiz, ya don't say. Offensive players go to the Jets for their careers to DIE. Is anyone shocked that Josh Mauro goes to the Cardinals and starts getting sacks right away? Keenan Lewis is a MORE than adequate DB in NO after never seeing the field for 2 or 3 years here. Emmanuel Sanders looks like he can't catch a ************* cold in Pittsburgh, but put him with Peyton and he's god damn Jerry Rice overnight. Bill Belichick's teams are the consistently among the best in the league REGARDLESS of who is on the roster, besides Tom Brady. And even at this point, Brady is old as ******* Moses and they're STILL regularly thrashing people with a roster full of people none of us would have ever heard of if not for playing on that team. Coaching matters, systems matter, the game plans matter. Good coaching can make good players great. and bad coaching can make good players look bad.
When we have to point the fingers and blame the players for making the same mistakes across weeks, months, and YEARS, committing turnovers, penalties, special teams gaffes, constantly getting pushed around, regularly leaving wide open receivers streaking downfield, etc. you have to ask yourself: is this a result of bad coaching?
Are we, to some degree, seeing the same effect Rex Ryan has on offenses? Are we, to some degree, seeing the opposite effect of what Belichick has brought to New England? I think the answer is obviously yes. If it were a one-off thing every now and again that a player ***** up, fine, blame the player. But we are consistently bringing in talented guys and getting NOTHING out of them. Especially on defense. If you can't see this for what it is, and still think it's "the players' faults" I implore you to watch the New York Jets and the New England Patriots.
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Roethlisberger did not play well, but let's be real here.
He was under a ton of pressure early In the game, which contrtibuted to most, though not all, of his early overthrows and the hurting of his throwing wrist, which no doubt affected him the rest of the game.
Notice how Brees missed some throws early, including a wide open 50+ yard bomb, because he was being hit.
Roethlisberger did not play well, but the underlying issue here is that the OL just isn't very good, a common theme of Tombert's 8 season reign.
I'm not even convinced that run blocking has improved that much, as Bell is just that good at anticipating and attacking the smallest of creases.
He was under a ton of pressure early In the game, which contrtibuted to most, though not all, of his early overthrows and the hurting of his throwing wrist, which no doubt affected him the rest of the game.
Notice how Brees missed some throws early, including a wide open 50+ yard bomb, because he was being hit.
Roethlisberger did not play well, but the underlying issue here is that the OL just isn't very good, a common theme of Tombert's 8 season reign.
I'm not even convinced that run blocking has improved that much, as Bell is just that good at anticipating and attacking the smallest of creases.
Cheating or no, the Pats* make very very few technical mistakes. The Steelers make technical mistakes all friggen' day.
why go for 2? With 00 on the clock..you have no chance to win..2 points 1 point no points who gives a crap you lose...but you risk your top RB ,WR QB to injury on a meaningless play...why ?
At least we don't live in our fears.
Makes about as much sense as wearing cool shades on a sunless afternoon. Or not calling timeout with 1:20 left in the half with New Orleans at the 4 yard line, then desperately trying to move the ball into scoring range after starting at the 20 with only 36 seconds left.
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On what planet are the players getting a free pass? Today alone (to say nothing of the entire span of the last few years) this board has ripped the roster to shreds. Even the HOFers - Ben and Troy. Even the great ones - Brown, (end of list). Even the beloved ones - Pouncey, Timmons, and Ike. We rip the players quite a bit. Hell, read a game thread.
There are three Steelers I think this board has given a free pass to in all the years I've been here: Aaron Smith, Heath Miller, and Le'Veon Bell. Aaron and Heath are consummate Steelers who I don't think I ever saw play a ****** I-don't-care game, and Bell is just on the cusp of superstardom. So the board hasn't ripped them much if at all. Beyond them, yes, all of our ****** players and take-a-game-off players get ripped quite a bit.
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Coaching decisions are the players' fault
lets keep Tomlin lets see how many more sub .500 teams the Steelers can lose to.
How anyone thinks Tomlin isn't the problem at this point is beyond me...................
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You can blame that on poor coaching. Wheaton's not the one who should be going deep. How about Bryant?
Seriously???
Our practice squad lost a couple this year. We have Heyward, Tuit, McCullers, McClendon, Thomas who seems to be hot garbage. Now that we lost Keisel and our depth from the practice squad so we could keep Laundry Jones, Dri Archer, Cam Thomas on the team we are likely not in very good shape. Why in the hell do we keep rolling Foster out there, his false start killed a drive for us.
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I was mostly referring to the other person statement that posted a bit before me. I won't say that a lot of people give players a "free pass" but I'll say that the people who are obsessed with getting Tomlin's head on a platter speak as though the players have little to do with the outcomes of games compared to Tomlin, even when it's painfully obvious in games like today that the players are performing ******* terribly. Preparation will only get you so far. You get paid a lot to show up and play on Sundays, so ******* play.
I would lose total respect for any player on ANY team, who tried to blame getting their ***** kicked by the guy across from them on coaching. The coaches are on the sidelines instead of the field for a reason. Have some pride in yourself and do your job.
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But it's up to the coaches to assemble the roster and gameplans. There's quite a bit of responsibility involved there.
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These are Tomlins players getting beat and generally sucking *** on the field. This is Tomlins pile of ****. Period.
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Add me to the list of those scratching their heads over the two point conversions. Mr Tomlin won't go for two in a game that's winnable but goes for two twice in a lost cause where we have already **** the bed at home.
Well at least the Cheatriots lost.
Well at least the Cheatriots lost.
Relax everyone. The Tomlin standard of 8-8 is still well within reach.
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