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We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

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It may be true. But why would DL stick around for 8 years of that when he could, easily, go work for a smarter, more competent HC and actually enjoy his last few years of work.

I dunno. Lessee, back when they used to draft good defensive players, Colbert was here, LeBeau was here, Butler was here...what has changed? Must be Carnell Lake's fault.
 
I dunno. Lessee, back when they used to draft good defensive players, Colbert was here, LeBeau was here, Butler was here...what has changed? Must be Carnell Lake's fault.

Ok then. DL doesn't have much input....Why do the Rooneys go along with Tombert drafting 4 - 3 players for a DL 3 - 4 scheme and why has DL stuck around for 8 plus years?
 
I dunno. Lessee, back when they used to draft good defensive players, Colbert was here, LeBeau was here, Butler was here....

What is your theory as to why DL would stick around for it, then? Makes no sense to me. Maybe Tombert has some pictures of DL with goats?
 
What is your theory as to why DL would stick around for it, then? Makes no sense to me. Maybe Tombert has some pictures of DL with goats?


C'mon, give tomlin a little more credit............ the CONSPERICY, runs deeper than that !!!!!!!!!!




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If DL is just sleeping during the draft and being nonchalant about whom we draft, then wouldn't it make sense that Tombert is only here for his Mensa-like PCs? Or maybe DL does have input on the draft, but just like during the Bush administrations, we missed on a **** ton of talent then, too. Oh, but we mustn't compare the two, lest Cowher dare be sullied.

Could also be that the overall talent pool has dipped considerably since Bush was in office. Maybe a combination of all three. Maybe just two. Maybe some guy walking down the street will tell me that there is only ONE single common denominator.

There is.

Ben. **** Ben and his bullshit drafting. *******.
 
What is your theory as to why DL would stick around for it, then? Makes no sense to me. Maybe Tombert has some pictures of DL with goats?

He's in his 70s. Might not feel like moving cross-country to work for a new company with new coaches and a presumably bad defensive core that now has to learn his semi-radical scheme. Seems much, much more likely to me than LeBeau suddenly deciding in 2007 that he now wants to build his strict 3-4 defense with strict 4-3 prospects. And at the same time began to "draft" worse players.
 
What is your theory as to why DL would stick around for it, then? Makes no sense to me. Maybe Tombert has some pictures of DL with goats?

well, he surely wouldn't want to move a few hours away to Washington and have a Brinks truck unload a **** ton of cash in his driveway, now would he?
nor would he cherish the idea of moving to the other side of the state and being a DL either. I also can't see him moving down south where he could play golf when he's awake between naps.
DL is just cruising along hoping that he doesn't die on the sidelines. Nothing more to read into it than that.
 
He's in his 70s. Might not feel like moving cross-country to work for a new company with new coaches and a presumably bad defensive core that now has to learn his semi-radical scheme.

I don't know why you would presume the defensive core he would take over is bad. Outside of that, it is possible that it is true. He might take over a good defensive core because their previous DC got an HC job for such a great performance.

I don't think it is as likely as you do, apparently, because he can't possibly be having very much fun coaching players who are crap. Of course, the alternative is he has a higher opinion of those players and the HC than the people here. I realize that is crazy talk, though.
 
well, he could also be raking in the dough - and more of it - by coaching a bunch of dimwits and slobbering fools somewhere else.

though I've yet to see any contract offer come through my mailbox for DL, so that is purely speculation about the (one of the) best DC in the league.
 
What is your theory as to why DL would stick around for it, then? Makes no sense to me. Maybe Tombert has some pictures of DL with goats?

He is comfortable where he is and both he and Tombert know he'll be retiring soon and Shades can install that 4-3 Tampa 2 he wants. Even if that's true, a **** player is a **** player and since he's been here Shades has demonstrated almost no ability to find defensive talent, be it a 3-4 guy or a 4-3 guy.
 
Heyward is talented. Tuitt looks like he will develop (with more playing time). Timmons is talented (as was Woodley before ... you know). Shazier could fit well into a 4-3, as could Spence, Jarvis and Williams. The secondary sucks whether used in a 3-4 or 4-3 and they have failed to draft talented depth for whatever system they trot out. Those two things are definitely failures on the part of Tomlin and Colbert, or "Tombert" as yinz say.
Oh and you could add Lewis to the defensive talent they, or "shades" drafted. They or Tomlin or Colbert just failed to retain him.
 
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Then we have stupid owners and it doesnt makes sense DL would stay on. Why not just retire so the franchise can move forward toward a 4 -3 scheme?

After all these years it could be because he really likes what he does and does not have anything else to do. I also suspect he has money put aside but it is likely hard to pass up his salary.
 
Have you taken a look at their head coach selection process? There is an argument to be made that says they just might be dumb.

Given their record there is also the possibility that those who question the process might be dumb.
 
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to obxsteeler again
 
After all these years it could be because he really likes what he does and does not have anything else to do. I also suspect he has money put aside but it is likely hard to pass up his salary.

Well the way I see it DL I hope has a little more pride than to just collect a salary and hinder this team by continuing to coach here for 8 years knowing they are drafting 4 - 3 players....In fact I believe he has to much respect for the game of football and his players for that to happen. Then again I guess you never know...
 
After all these years it could be because he really likes what he does and does not have anything else to do. I also suspect he has money put aside but it is likely hard to pass up his salary.

There is no doubt in my mind that there are, at least, 25 more teams that would pay him more. As Burgandy alludes, maybe it is just comfortable and I could buy that if had just been 2-3 years. But someone of his pedigree, if you will, staying with a lousy coach, talent evaluator and ****** players for 8 years? That I cannot buy.
 
Given their record there is also the possibility that those who question the process might be dumb.

Two straight non-playoff seasons with a HOF QB? No playoff wins since 2010? 24-22 over the last 3 years? Yeah, just a sterling record of achievement.
 
Have you taken a look at their head coach selection process? There is an argument to be made that says they just might be dumb.

have you seen the title of this thread? some dipshits think we'd hire someone different than Coach Cool Shades.
 
This is the last paragraph of an article written today. I would link it but i cant( you do the math)

It is next to impossible for fans or the media to properly evaluate a coordinator because so much of their success depends on the players. The calls the coordinators make are important, but not nearly as important as how the players perform. In football, strategy is important but not nearly as important as execution.
 
Two straight non-playoff seasons with a HOF QB? No playoff wins since 2010? 24-22 over the last 3 years? Yeah, just a sterling record of achievement.

Yea, that never happens anywhere ever in the NFL. See Drew Brees and the Saints...
 
Yea, that never happens anywhere ever in the NFL. See Drew Brees and the Saints...

oh, but we have a HOF caliber QB and HOF caliber QBs never lose to **** teams.

so was Brees supposed to lose to us or were we supposed to lose to him? interesting.
 
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