We need a new Head Coach.......FIRE TOMLIN NOW!!!

[deljzc]

This is the last paragraph of an article written today. I would link it but i cant( you do the math)

It is next to impossible for fans or the media to properly evaluate a coordinator because so much of their success depends on the players. The calls the coordinators make are important, but not nearly as important as how the players perform. In football, strategy is important but not nearly as important as execution.

This is a bit of an over simplification.

WHY do some players/teams execute more frequently than others? That's really the point, isn't it?

Some fans seem to think it's all on the players and to some extent it is, but it's the coaches job to PREPARE the players and increase the chances the players execute correctly.

If a coach's game plan is too complex or is using plays that haven't been run or practiced since August or hops/skips around from week-to-week, wouldn't that increase the likelihood the players fail to execute?

There is a TON of variables to coaching, but one of the most important is to understand players aren't perfect and know which players you're stuck playing are most likely to "fail to execute" and try and reduce that from happening through game planning, play selection and practice time.

Anyone that thinks coaching is just pick plays and expect the players to execute it perfect and if not, it's the players' fault is looking at it completely *** backwards.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

have you seen the title of this thread? some dipshits think we'd hire someone different than Coach Cool Shades.

I've said it before, in five years and probably ten Cool Shades will still be the HC.

 

[antdrewjosh]

This is a bit of an over simplification.

WHY do some players/teams execute more frequently than others? That's really the point, isn't it?

Some fans seem to think it's all on the players and to some extent it is, but it's the coaches job to PREPARE the players and increase the chances the players execute correctly.

If a coach's game plan is too complex or is using plays that haven't been run or practiced since August or hops/skips around from week-to-week, wouldn't that increase the likelihood the players fail to execute?

There is a TON of variables to coaching, but one of the most important is to understand players aren't perfect and know which players you're stuck playing are most likely to "fail to execute" and try and reduce that from happening through game planning, play selection and practice time.

Anyone that thinks coaching is just pick plays and expect the players to execute it perfect and if not, it's the players' fault is looking at it completely *** backwards.

I pretty much think Dick Lebeau has proven he can prepare a defense. We cant be arguing that. So when the Steelers open up the game and give up a TD why do we hear they werent prepared? And we hear this every week.

 

[Confluence]

This is a bit of an over simplification.

WHY do some players/teams execute more frequently than others? That's really the point, isn't it?

Some fans seem to think it's all on the players and to some extent it is, but it's the coaches job to PREPARE the players and increase the chances the players execute correctly.

If a coach's game plan is too complex or is using plays that haven't been run or practiced since August or hops/skips around from week-to-week, wouldn't that increase the likelihood the players fail to execute?

There is a TON of variables to coaching, but one of the most important is to understand players aren't perfect and know which players you're stuck playing are most likely to "fail to execute" and try and reduce that from happening through game planning, play selection and practice time.

Anyone that thinks coaching is just pick plays and expect the players to execute it perfect and if not, it's the players' fault is looking at it completely *** backwards.

Dom Capers was a genius in the first half last night (Chucky said so) and then got fired after the 2nd half because Matthews couldn't beat Matthews. Good thing the Falcants didn't fire Nolan at the half because he was a genius in the 2nd half.

Football is getting more like basketball where one team goes on a big run; often the other team takes a break or TO to adjust, then goes on its own run. This happened in last nights game, and the last 2 Steeler games. It makes me wonder if the adjustments are coming from both sides of the ball continually; you'd think with all the technology that someone could have changed up the D a bit so that Brees couldn't hit 5 TDs.....

 

[Superman]

I've said it before, in five years and probably ten Cool Shades will still be the HC.

that is something i can completely agree with. unless we post back to back 2-win seasons.

 

[Vader]

Let me get this right... DL drafted 3-4 talent the entire time Cowher was here. Then the very next draft DL (who obviously has more power to draft than Tomlin or Colbert) starts drafting players for 4-3 even though the team has NEVER even tried to move to the 4-3. That makes perfect sense. Obviously the change to 4-3 type players has nothing to do with the new HC who has ONLY run 4-3 systems and everything to do with DL who probably hasn't run the 4-3 in 20 years. How could I not see that?

 

[ark steel]

DL (who obviously has more power to draft than Tomlin or Colbert

Nice way to twist what was said, but go on with your bad self.

 

[Superman]

it's possible to believe that DL can't evaluate talent, but can coach it.
i know that may be a bit hard for some of you mensa candidates to wrap your single-digit IQs around, so please chastise.

 

[ark steel]

DL is too bored to stay home during the day and no one would hire him, anyway. In addition, as still says, he is willing to stay around and lose his dignity and hinder a team he, obviously, loves. Even if you believe he has NO input into draft selections, that is an unbelievable scenario, to me, at least.

 

[Vader]

Nice way to twist what was said, but go on with your bad self.

Nice way to totally go around everything I said and cherry pick one thing you could criticize. Now please tell me why DL started drafting players that didn't fit his system. Also please show me ONE quote from anyone in the org. that said DL has anything at all to do with drafting. Do you have any EVIDENCE AT ALL? Anything?

 

[ark steel]

Nice way to totally go around everything I said and cherry pick one thing you could criticize. Now please tell me why DL started drafting players that didn't fit his system. Also please show me ONE quote from anyone in the org. that said DL has anything at all to do with drafting. Do you have any EVIDENCE AT ALL? Anything?

You are correct. An organization that employs a 50 year veteran of the league at high level position will absolutely NOT ask his opinion on players or FA's. Why would they? To do so would be extremely stupid. What could he possibly offer? He might as well be the janitor for as much as his opinion would matter. Gotcha. Thanks, again, for the education.

 

[Vader]

You are correct. An organization that employs a 50 year veteran of the league at high level position will absolutely NOT ask his opinion on players or FA's. Why would they? To do so would be extremely stupid. What could he possibly offer? He might as well be the janitor for as much as his opinion would matter. Gotcha. Thanks, again, for the education.

LOL you can't even answer a simple question then you go off on some stupid "janitor" strawman rant. You use to have some intelligence with your posts. Lately all you do is defend Tomlin even when you have no facts or anything outside your own thoughts. Again show me ONE person who said DL has any input at all on draft picks. Tell me why DL would start drafting 4-3 players into his 3-4 system? Why the change?

 

[SCSteeler4life]

Two straight non-playoff seasons with a HOF QB? No playoff wins since 2010? 24-22 over the last 3 years? Yeah, just a sterling record of achievement.

Wow that's never happened before. Ever heard of Shula and Marino.

 

[ark steel]

LOL you can't even answer a simple question then you go off on some stupid "janitor" strawman rant. You use to have some intelligence with your posts. Lately all you do is defend Tomlin even when you have no facts or anything outside your own thoughts. Again show me ONE person who said DL has any input at all on draft picks. Tell me why DL would start drafting 4-3 players into his 3-4 system? Why the change?

I didn't say (or mean to say) anyone else said DL has any input. I looked back and it is clear that it is my opinion that it anything else would make no sense. Nor did I realize I was defending Tomlin. I just conjectured that anyone with a 50 year veteran of the league wouldn't draft without getting any input from that person. That just makes no sense to me. If I were running a multi-million dollar business and was hiring personnel for my IT department, I would ask my 50 year experience IT department head, who reports directly to me and has no reason not to be completely candid, for his ideas on the hire. To do anything else would be ridiculous, to me. This gets your panties in a bunch. I don't know why.

Since I never said DL had final say, just input, we can assume MT does have final say and either doesn't ask DL's opinion or ignores such opinion.

OK, lets assume that is what and how it happens. I keep saddling my IT department head with COBOL (anyone still use that?) programmers when we don't use that anywhere. In addition, my other decisions are widely considered to be dubious. My IT department head who could get a job the very next day and is financially well off with or without a job, stays with me for eight years and does everything I say.

It is this last paragraph that makes these events even more odd and/or unlikely, to me.

I mentioned the janitor because DL is a pretty high ranking member of the organization who reports directly to Tomlin, has a long standing relationship with the team and the Rooney family and has no chance of being fired rather than some scrub whose opinion shouldn't carry any weight. But you knew that.

This is my favorite.

anything outside your own thoughts.

I apologize for having my own thoughts and posting them on a message board. Clearly, that cannot be tolerated.

 

[Confluence]

Ladies,

3-4 player? 4-3 players?

Who cares? We have it all, the new 3-4/4-3 hybrids.

EoD.

 

[Vader]

Aw, knock it the hell off.

I would lose no sleep if Tomlin was fired. That being said, everything that is wrong with the Steelers is not all his fault.

67 ******' pages. If you learn one thing as you proceed through life, it is that when things go right or wrong it is a combination of things. People just get tired of the incessant Tomlin bashing. It gets so old.

Let's say you finally get everybody on this board to agree with you. Then what?

Go **** yourself. Let's say everybody agrees with you then what? But it doesn't stop you from arguing your points. So knock it off. Stop posting.

 

[ark steel]

You should also note that I have never said that

Tell me why DL would start drafting 4-3 players into his 3-4 system? Why the change?

makes any sense, either, other I disagree that I said DL did the drafting.

 

[Vader]

I didn't say (or mean to say) anyone else said DL has any input. I looked back and it is clear that it is my opinion that it anything else would make no sense. Nor did I realize I was defending Tomlin. I just conjectured that anyone with a 50 year veteran of the league wouldn't draft without getting any input from that person. That just makes no sense to me. If I were running a multi-million dollar business and was hiring personnel for my IT department, I would ask my 50 year experience IT department head, who reports directly to me and has no reason not to be completely candid, for his ideas on the hire. To do anything else would be ridiculous, to me. This gets your panties in a bunch. I don't know why.

Since I never said DL had final say, just input, we can assume MT does have final say and either doesn't ask DL's opinion or ignores such opinion.

OK, lets assume that is what and how it happens. I keep saddling my IT department head with COBOL (anyone still use that?) programmers when we don't use that anywhere. In addition, my other decisions are widely considered to be dubious. My IT department head who could get a job the very next day and is financially well off with or without a job, stays with me for eight years and does everything I say.

It is this last paragraph that makes these events even more odd and/or unlikely, to me.

I mentioned the janitor because DL is a pretty high ranking member of the organization who reports directly to Tomlin, has a long standing relationship with the team and the Rooney family and has no chance of being fired rather than some scrub whose opinion shouldn't carry any weight. But you knew that.

This is my favorite.

I apologize for having my own thoughts and posting them on a message board. Clearly, that cannot be tolerated.

This is my favorite "I apologize for having my own thoughts and posting them on a message board. Clearly, that cannot be tolerated". You knew that I meant as opposed to facts from inside the org. since that is EXACTLY what I said.

Sorry but 50 year experienced IT people have no correlation with 50 year old DC. It's apples and tanks. And you still haven't explained why DL would agree to draft players that don't fit his system. If he has so much input then why in the hell did the Steelers start drafting these 4-3 players into a 3-4 system? Did DL get a lobotomy? Please tell me why all of a sudden the drafting changed? You can't explain that because you know good and well Tombert are the ones who do the drafting. DL may give some input but obviously he either forgot what type of defense he is coaching OR he doesn't have much input on the actual players but on the type of players he wants and Tombert puts their own spin on it. But something changed and it wasn't DL nor the defense. Nobody in the org. has even suggested that the defense is changing. IF it were they'd never let Hood walk. They wouldn't have moved Timmons inside etc... So either Tomlin changed it OR DL is senile and forgot what defense he was running. Take your pick.

 

[Vader]

You should also note that I have never said that



makes any sense, either, other I disagree that I said DL did the drafting.

I don't even know what this means.

 

[ark steel]

Have a nice day, Vader. I love you, man.

 

[Superman]

maybe DL sucks at evaluating talent?

 

[antdrewjosh]

So basically who are these 4-3 players we have continually taken. Hood and Timmons? Hood had the body to play in a 3-4. Just never was able to convert over to a 3-4 scheme. Its not like he was smallish like Aaron Donald and we tried to convert him. Hood had the body just didnt work out. Timmons has done just fine here. Am I missing anyone else?

 

[Confluence]

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[Omar10213245]

Strains....eyeballs....for nipples....

Edit: damnit confluence, not THOSE nipples!! You switcheroo'd me!!

 

[Confluence]

Strains....eyeballs....for nipples....

Edit: damnit confluence, not THOSE nipples!! You switcheroo'd me!!

http://us.cdn001.fansshare.com/photos/kateupton/kate-upton-body-2047795924.jpg

Just tryin' to up the level of discussion.