What is each coach responsible for?

[tapeANaspirin2it]

It seems there are some people who want coaches fired at the drop of a hat, and there are people who also seem to think the coaches just stand on the sidelines and it's all on the players with nothing the coaches can do to help. The truth is in the middle, so i'm wondering what everyone thinks is a coach's fault and what's a player's fault.

here's my general breakdown of what i think they are responsible for

GM - depends if he is a strong GM or a weak GM. Strong GM does as he pleases and may take the coach's opinion into account but ultimately acts on his own. Weak GM is more of an administrator. He helps the coach pick who he wants and then gets those guys. Colbert is a weak GM. Ever since Cowher won the power struggle with Donohoe, the steelers have given the coach the most say in personnel matters.

Head Coach
Roster - tomlin is responsible for who is on the team and who is not.
Player Development - who gets reps in practice. Who starts, who gets chewed out in meetings, etc.
Coach Development - the head coach must coach the coaches. Tomlin appears to have a hands off approach with his coaches
Player Evaluation - needs to know who is playing well and who stinks
Gameplan - the HC shpuld be approving the offensive and defensive gameplans for the week.
Quality Control - the HC delegates tasks, but he should be checking the work along the way. This of it like an episode of Hell's Kitchen. The coaches cook but the head coach decides if it's good enough to serve. Tomlin allows slop to leave the kitchen far too often.
Game Management - HC is responsible for all clock issues, replays, pulling underperforming players, telling his coordinators when to modify gameplan,

Coordinators
Roster recommendations - they must inform the coach and GM of what they need to run their schemes
Player evaluation - need to know who is getting the job done and work with position coaches to get the right guys on the field.
Gameplan - should do most of the film evaluation and set the gameplan to be approved by Head Coach
Coach the position coaches - make sure position coaches know what is needed from players for each game to achieve the gameplan.
Adjust Gameplan - needs to see when it is not working and adjust. HC must do this if the coordinators don't.
Teach gameplan to position coaches.


Position Coaches
Teach gameplan to players
Evaluate players
Inform coordinator or HC of player issues.

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

So just for my understanding:

This is a thread dedicated towards the belief that Tomlin is in control of almost all facets of the team. That, the GM, is basically an empty suit and Tomlin is solely responsible for who is currently on the roster. In other words:

Another Tomlin ***** fest!!! Hooray!!!!!!


Tomlin Haters- get your ***** in here! FRANCO! Where you at bud?!?

 

[antdrewjosh]

So just for my understanding:

This is a thread dedicated towards the belief that Tomlin is in control of almost all facets of the team. That, the GM, is basically an empty suit and Tomlin is solely responsible for who is currently on the roster. In other words:

Another Tomlin ***** fest!!! Hooray!!!!!!


Tomlin Haters- get your ***** in here! FRANCO! Where you at bud?!?

Well at least he dressed it up all nice and pretty

 

[TAS]

What do you two think he has wrong? He is the highest paid coach right?

 

[Idioteque]

So just for my understanding:

This is a thread dedicated towards the belief that Tomlin is in control of almost all facets of the team. That, the GM, is basically an empty suit and Tomlin is solely responsible for who is currently on the roster. In other words:

When we all know the truth: that the HC has no responsibilities. Right?

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

So just for my understanding:

This is a thread dedicated towards the belief that Tomlin is in control of almost all facets of the team. That, the GM, is basically an empty suit and Tomlin is solely responsible for who is currently on the roster. In other words:

Another Tomlin ***** fest!!! Hooray!!!!!!


Tomlin Haters- get your ***** in here! FRANCO! Where you at bud?!?

I explained it clearly. The steelers used to have Donahoe as GM and he had control of the draft until he drafted Troy Edwards instead of Jevon Kearse. At that point, Cowher essentially told the steelers, it's him or me, one has to go. Steelers chose Cowher, and Donahoe was gone.

Colbert was then hired and did not even get the title of GM. That's because Cowher was de facto GM and Colbert was hired to be in charge of putting Cowher's plan in to place. They scouted players according to what Cowher wanted in players. They signed free agents Cowher wanted.

This arrangement clearly continued under Tomlin as evidenced by the fact that the type of players the steelers drafted immediately changed when Tomlin took over.

It is my opinion that over the last few years, the steelers have given Colbert more power in this area because Tomlin was struggling. The results haven't improved much.

What is clear is that the steelers lack a good talent evaluator at the top. Under Cowher, i would guess it was about 80-20 Cowher in personnel decisions. My guess is it's now more like 50-50 with Tomlin. The problem is, Colbert seems to be a great administrator but nkt a good talent evaluator.

That is why he Colbert was never hired away as a GM. Since Colbert did not hold the title of GM, he could have been hired away at any time by another team offering him a GM position. Funny that a guy who allegedly drafted so well would not be in demand. That's because the league knew it was Cowher calling the shots, not Colbert.

now that Colbert appears to have more input, the results suck.

Only the steelers know the exact power structure with the draft and personnel decisions. I am saying whoever has most control of that needs to go.

I believe Tomlin has a large input so he deserves much of the blame.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Well at least he dressed it up all nice and pretty

Here's your list of HC duties
Model latest NFL fashion on sideline
Give press conference

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

I guess Franco decided to avoid thread?

Shame. Would have been fun.

 

[Superman]

In all honesty, like another thread states, there is plenty of blame to go around.

Like the rest of you, I don't much care for Tomlin advertising our draft desires in the first. This past draft is more of a return to us NOT knowing who we'd target prior to the draft. How many of us thought Shazier was the pick? I'd GUESS 90% of all mock drafts didn't list Shazier going to us.

Which is a stark contrast to the guy playing next to him. Everyone and their mother knew we were taking Timmons. That in itself limited us in our abilities to move up or back in the draft.

The talent evaluators, though, I've tried to discuss in the past. I do not see a monumental drop-off in talent from whom we've picked versus some immediately after. I will say that the lack of overall talent DEPTH is not as deep as in previous years, as it seems to me the players are on a pretty level field.

I believe we had a plan under Tomlin as for our defense. I think it fell apart when Spence's knee was ******.

If you forget some of the hatred and bias for the players and just look at their abilities (not inabilities) you could see that we were attempting to have a LB corps of Woodley, Timmons, Spence and Worilds. Which, if Spence's knee hadn't been ****** and if Woodley hadn't ate himself to another coast, would have been rather damn good.

When we were dominant running the 3-4 it was due to other teams playing the 4-3 so much. We had players who were not as multi-dimensional fall to us to play DE while we could take DEs and use them at OLB. In the copycat league, others caught on to this. Look around and there is roughly a 50/50 mix of 4-3 and 3-4 defenses.

While you're supposed to draft with one eye on the present and one on the future, it seemed as if we were drafting "for now" mostly under Tomlin. This could be due to Tomlin selling a player to Colbert or Colbert being a "yes" man. Though if you look at the last draft, it's a nice mixture of players. I would think that if Archer AND Bryant were available, we'd have seen a different offense last night. Defensively, Spence wasn't inactive, but didn't even record a tackle. The DL was being manhandled and our biggest boy was inactive.

In an aspect, I agree with Tape. This all starts at the top and trickles down. Tomlin and Colbert are responsible for this mess we're in. Are they the right guys to fix it?

Is Haley's offense one that is conducive to us getting another Lombardi? Is the game passing by LeBeau?
As we've seen in many threads, the talent level isn't up to our standards. Thus, should the co-ordinators get a pass because of it?

 

[antdrewjosh]

Here's your list of HC duties
Model latest NFL fashion on sideline
Give press conference

Good one lmao.

 

[Vader]

I believe we had a plan under Tomlin as for our defense. I think it fell apart when Spence's knee was ******.

If you forget some of the hatred and bias for the players and just look at their abilities (not inabilities) you could see that we were attempting to have a LB corps of Woodley, Timmons, Spence and Worilds. Which, if Spence's knee hadn't been ****** and if Woodley hadn't ate himself to another coast, would have been rather damn good.

I agree with almost everything but this. Spence was a 3rd round pick. I've been told many times that 3rd rounders are throw away picks. But I'll let that slide for now. There is no way Tombert's grand plan was foiled by a 3rd round LB's knee issues. Even with the group you list there are huge issues. Worilds is horrible and Timmons isn't a mack LB.

Also plans change every off season. There is no way there was ever a time when they thought Woodley, Timmons, Spence and Worilds would be their plan. If Woodley had stayed Worilds would have left. Worilds is terrible as is but he is even worse at ROLB. Where the hell would he play? There is no way the Steelers ever planned on that line up at any point in time.

 

[Superman]

well, where did Woodley play last season when he wasn't icing his checkbook?

 

[Superman]

and again, that would be evaluating talent.
YOU and I know right now that they couldnt have put Worilds at ROLB.
I doubt they knew when Worilds was drafted that they couldn't

and from what I've read, there is ZERO reason to ever expect a 3rd round pick to be anything short of being on the cusp of having a bust created for the HOF.

yet that is a different topic altogether.