Why is Matt Canada employed?

[Avoid_Lloyd]

Field goal Bruce

Arians was forced out here after some bad offensive seasons. He didn't leave on an upward professional trajectory, his later success helps prove my point there is something broken in Tomlins coaching/leadership and the development of fresh ideas and innovation in the coaching staff

 

[Confluence]

Arians was forced out here after some bad offensive seasons. He didn't leave on an upward professional trajectory, his later success helps prove my point there is something broken in Tomlins coaching/leadership and the development of fresh ideas and innovation in the coaching staff

Amen

 

[TDX27]

Posted this in the Trubisky thread as well.

I know Trubisky isn't playing great at this point but this comment by him and the other comments coming from other players about Canaduh are very telling. Your starting QB should always have the option to audible. They ran the RPO last year with Ben who wasn't mobile anymore. They wanted to get a more mobile QB but have abandoned the RPO this year and I don't think Trubisky rolled out once in the Cheats game and on the 3rd and 2 in our final O series, he should have been rolling out. They aren't using the mobility they so desperately said they wanted and needed.

“We’re still figuring out when is a good time for me to audible and if, within each play, I have the option to do so,” Trubisky said.

 

[black and gold apex]

No Mitch bashing here this is Canada. I get info from the blogs on You Tube from Pittsburgh so I cannot back up giving where to find things.

Today I watch Moats, hooked on Steelers, Foster, DK sports etc you all know them. Two things truly stood out the blaming Mitch and Canada. You got to give Mitch credit because I'm sure just as Ben, he is tired of it. He stood up and mention he cannot throw where the play is not called. Second Gerry Dulac tweeted Mitch said he is not to auditable till Canada feels it is the right time. This is a QB has experience and this two season NFL wonder OC will not let go of his insecurity. Look last year when you could tell when Ben had the ok to make calls win or lose, we knew when he could make the calls. We can pick apart Mitch truly time it was on this OC when in his presser laughs off questions, what Mitch says is to be conservative not turning the ball over. If we do not believe this even Tomlin mentioned this. I watched the Ben video with Merril Hoge and Hoge had good point on the running and passing game. Brings up the set up by Canada on run plays where he continues to bring players toward the line which just stacked the defense more and more. We have all seen questioned this move. Passing game he as well as Ben said the defense has it easy when thy know you are not going deep and continued passes behind the sticks, they both said need to loosen up by going long no matter id completed or not. Mitch was allowed this fifty seconds left in the half and pre-season. Ben through a little tide bit about rumbling in the huddle pass to me pass to me. Tomlin says he is happy with that going on. How can he say such a thing you cant move the ball as is and here all these players are me me me. Time the head coach took control and make up his mind on what he wants this team identity on offense be.

 

[livingthrudying]

No Mitch bashing here this is Canada. I get info from the blogs on You Tube from Pittsburgh so I cannot back up giving where to find things.

Today I watch Moats, hooked on Steelers, Foster, DK sports etc you all know them. Two things truly stood out the blaming Mitch and Canada. You got to give Mitch credit because I'm sure just as Ben, he is tired of it. He stood up and mention he cannot throw where the play is not called. Second Gerry Dulac tweeted Mitch said he is not to auditable till Canada feels it is the right time. This is a QB has experience and this two season NFL wonder OC will not let go of his insecurity. Look last year when you could tell when Ben had the ok to make calls win or lose, we knew when he could make the calls. We can pick apart Mitch truly time it was on this OC when in his presser laughs off questions, what Mitch says is to be conservative not turning the ball over. If we do not believe this even Tomlin mentioned this. I watched the Ben video with Merril Hoge and Hoge had good point on the running and passing game. Brings up the set up by Canada on run plays where he continues to bring players toward the line which just stacked the defense more and more. We have all seen questioned this move. Passing game he as well as Ben said the defense has it easy when thy know you are not going deep and continued passes behind the sticks, they both said need to loosen up by going long no matter id completed or not. Mitch was allowed this fifty seconds left in the half and pre-season. Ben through a little tide bit about rumbling in the huddle pass to me pass to me. Tomlin says he is happy with that going on. How can he say such a thing you cant move the ball as is and here all these players are me me me. Time the head coach took control and make up his mind on what he wants this team identity on offense be.

I am really not trying to be a jerk, but man you need to proof read. This is hard to read!

 

[Fiji Mariner]

1 & 2 are here for life. Nothing we can do about that.
Seems our defense was rolling fine last week until TJ got hurt.

Canada - 100% correct on all four sentences.

Trubisky's in a hard spot. if he audibles and throws a pick, or the run is jammed behind the line, then he has to account for why he changed the play. I'm sure he'd be hammered by the coaching staff for that, too. He's most likely over-thinking every play - scripted or not. The scripted plays should allow him to get a feel for how the defense is going to play, as well as how the refs are going to "call" the game. I commend the coaching staff for that, especially in away games. But, we also need to be able to adjust per play. Which brings us back to Mitch and audibling. Mitch is playing not to lose the game and his job, while the fans are chanting Kenny Kenny Kenny, and rightfully so. Mitch is in a bad spot, but his play and over-thinking is putting the team in a bad spot. Sometimes I wonder how Mitch would be if we hadn't drafted Kenny. Would he have more confidence in his skills and what he's seeing?

at any rate, I'd fire Canada yesterday.

****, I'd even send a 6th to Cleveland to bring back Dobbs and let him call the plays.

The best way to get #2 out would be for one of these networks or new streaming platforms to realize Tomlin would be an awesome centerpiece for their broadcast, Obviously

Offer the man say 10 years 25M per and see if he bites

Help us Amazon…you’re our only hope

 

[Drink IRON City]

The best way to get #2 out would be for one of these networks or new streaming platforms to realize Tomlin would be an awesome centerpiece for their broadcast, Obviously

Offer the man say 10 years 25M per and see if he bites

Help us Amazon…you’re our only hope

TRUTH in dem der vords


Salute the nation

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I know Trubisky isn't playing great at this point but this comment by him and the other comments coming from other players about Canaduh are very telling. Your starting QB should always have the option to audible. They ran the RPO last year with Ben who wasn't mobile anymore. They wanted to get a more mobile QB but have abandoned the RPO this year and I don't think Trubisky rolled out once in the Cheats game and on the 3rd and 2 in our final O series, he should have been rolling out. They aren't using the mobility they so desperately said they wanted and needed.

“We’re still figuring out when is a good time for me to audible and if, within each play, I have the option to do so,” Trubisky said.

93.7 reporting on my way home from work that folks above Shades in the front office are "unhappy" with Matt Canada and Shades has Brian Flores sitting in on the offense meetings.

 

[Paul G]

93.7 reporting on my way home from work that folks above Shades in the front office are "unhappy" with Matt Canada and Shades has Brian Flores sitting in on the offense meetings.

Leave it to Tomlin to take such drastic action as having a generally defensive coach join the offensive meeting to correct the offensive woes.... baby steps are better than backward steps I guess

 

[xjx]

Maybe Flores can call plays.

 

[BurghThing]

Maybe Flores can call plays.

Maybe he can just stomp a mudhole in Canaduh so he CAN'T call plays

 

[Shane Falco]

Mitch should just say F-it, we’re going to attack this **** on Thursday and lead the team to some scoring drives. I was giving Canada the benefit of the doubt. Now it’s just time for them to part ways with O’Canada

 

[jitter77]

Mitch should just say F-it, we’re going to attack this **** on Thursday and lead the team to some scoring drives. I was giving Canada the benefit of the doubt. Now it’s just time for them to part ways with O’Canada

Need to go up tempo or no huddle and just take canada out of the equation

 

[steelreeling]

To me, regardless of who is coordinating, the problem is the Steelers seem to be so intent on being "multi-dimensional" that they don't do anything well. I get the need to be multi-dimensional. I think one of the issues with Cowher's early teams was they could run very well, but the passing game just wasn't as sophisticated as some of the teams they had to compete against come playoff time. So I get it. But the Cowher teams did do something well, which was run the ball. Until they commit to doing something well, it is gonna be some form of what we see right now. Maybe a little better some weeks, but never really good in any phase.

A few months after last year's draft i was dumbfounded by exactly who we drafted and where they would fit in. So i posted several times that i worried about this kind of thing exactly.
Matt Canada: Jack of all trades though master of none.

The sheer stupidity of lining up quick & undersized OL, Najee, possession WRs; and then running motion sweeps and 4-yard sticks was - and still is - very defendable.

 

[steelreeling]

Right. Harris has a tendency to run to darkness on occasion. Pickens is just a kid at this point. Claypool...who knows really.

Well i don't know. Harris made a handful of reads so far that i can say, damn, that sucked. Pickens has a major-league chip on his shoulder. That showed in the preseason. Muth made maybe 1 play (fumble?) last 2 years that was pretty bad.

All and all though, Muth made some f*cking nasty catches. He's been open. Najee trucked an equal amount of mofos as Derrick Henry did last year. Lotta wiggle to fight for an extra 3 yards at the end of the play on a few games where you say, goddamn dude we're already done, let it go. And Pickens... release the f*ckin Kraken!

i agree we aint seen sheeeeit. Though i

 

[Fiji Mariner]

93.7 reporting on my way home from work that folks above Shades in the front office are "unhappy" with Matt Canada and Shades has Brian Flores sitting in on the offense meetings.

Before meeting: Flores is instructed to blink 3 times every time Canada says something stupid or is trying to script a play that obviously won’t work

During meeting: Damn Brian, ya got something in your eyes?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Maybe Flores can call plays.

He used to be a head coach and although he's a defensive guy I gotta think he'd be a better OC than Canada.

 

[TDX27]

We need Flores still helping with the D and especially the run D. That is not fixed in the least.

 

[Superman]

The best way to get #2 out would be for one of these networks or new streaming platforms to realize Tomlin would be an awesome centerpiece for their broadcast, Obviously

Offer the man say 10 years 25M per and see if he bites

Help us Amazon…you’re our only hope

obviously an excellent idea. excellent. put him on ESPN with the Manning brothers, obviously.

 

[Superman]

He used to be a head coach and although he's a defensive guy I gotta think he'd be a better OC than Canada.

IMO, he - being a defensive coach - would know the way to attack a defense, since he'd know the weakness. but we never exploit an opponent's weakness. Always attack their strength. Always. Team can't defend the pass, but has the league's best run defense? Well, ****, run up the middle... over and over and over again. Team can't stop the run, but has the best secondary ever? Throw 75 times per game. Dont live in our fears and face up to the challenges as presented in the lab.

 

[madinsomniac]

Im a tiny bit worried about a particular narrative…

See if our issues are the QB, it gets fixed by switching qbs… but we have had tge same issues tgrough four different qb’s now, including a HOFr, so im not sure tge bulk of it lies there…

If the issue is the play design ( which i am really certain it isn’t) thats a little more problematic, and requires a new OC and probably an off-season overhaul….but variations of these plays and this system are being used very effectively in some of the best offenses around the league, so like i said, that probably isn’t our problem

OC calling plays is the problem, well that’s simply moving playcalling from him to someone else… swap OCs in the off-season


If the issue is telegraphed plays by personnel and formation ( an issue that predates canada or Fitchner) then simply run some deviations and catch the d off guard… or run the plays with different personnel on the field

If its a coaching mandate from Tomlin, well after a while he does learn and adapt… especially when media pressure is on…

But the timing of all of this is odd..

My worry now is that this is a misguided mandate from Art trying to reestablish the Pittsburgh identity of defense first conservative smash mouth football without having the players in place to do so…

I mean we had a high powered offense when we cut ties with Todd Haley… Haley, you remember, was pushed by Dan Rooney.. who was friends with his Dad… Dan passed away in 2017 and the abrasive Haley was shown the door…. The high powered O was dismantled … all the money was thrown at the D… we suddenly have four straight years of dink and dunk super safe offense… we are obviously trying to win games with the D and not lose them with the O… its outdated to say the least… if this is something from above Tomlin, maybe say Art, trying to honor his dad’s memory…that would be a real issue because there isnt any real way to override it

Some of these concepts, the limited number of plays, fixed personnel… these are vintage Ron Erhardt philosophies… few plays, practiced over and over trumped scheming in his mind… it was a philosophy that held us back in the playoffs for years… because eventually you run into a better team or a scheme you cant just willpower through…

 

[maowv]

He used to be a head coach and although he's a defensive guy I gotta think he'd be a better OC than Canada.

I played against better Offensive Coordinators on Super Techmo Bowl.

 

[FordFairLane]

93.7 reporting on my way home from work that folks above Shades in the front office are "unhappy" with Matt Canada and Shades has Brian Flores sitting in on the offense meetings.

Tomlin is just cringe. His solution is to put a defensive coach in on the meetings... to what? Maybe fire Canada and have Flores OC? You know what happens if this goes down? Cool Shades calls the plays and Flores gets thrown under the bus when our offense some how does worse than it currently is.

 

[steelreeling]

Im a tiny bit worried about a particular narrative…

See if our issues are the QB, it gets fixed by switching qbs… but we have had tge same issues tgrough four different qb’s now, including a HOFr, so im not sure tge bulk of it lies there…

If the issue is the play design ( which i am really certain it isn’t) thats a little more problematic, and requires a new OC and probably an off-season overhaul….but variations of these plays and this system are being used very effectively in some of the best offenses around the league, so like i said, that probably isn’t our problem

OC calling plays is the problem, well that’s simply moving playcalling from him to someone else… swap OCs in the off-season


If the issue is telegraphed plays by personnel and formation ( an issue that predates canada or Fitchner) then simply run some deviations and catch the d off guard… or run the plays with different personnel on the field

If its a coaching mandate from Tomlin, well after a while he does learn and adapt… especially when media pressure is on…

But the timing of all of this is odd..

My worry now is that this is a misguided mandate from Art trying to reestablish the Pittsburgh identity of defense first conservative smash mouth football without having the players in place to do so…

I mean we had a high powered offense when we cut ties with Todd Haley… Haley, you remember, was pushed by Dan Rooney.. who was friends with his Dad… Dan passed away in 2017 and the abrasive Haley was shown the door…. The high powered O was dismantled … all the money was thrown at the D… we suddenly have four straight years of dink and dunk super safe offense… we are obviously trying to win games with the D and not lose them with the O… its outdated to say the least… if this is something from above Tomlin, maybe say Art, trying to honor his dad’s memory…that would be a real issue because there isnt any real way to override it

Some of these concepts, the limited number of plays, fixed personnel… these are vintage Ron Erhardt philosophies… few plays, practiced over and over trumped scheming in his mind… it was a philosophy that held us back in the playoffs for years… because eventually you run into a better team or a scheme you cant just willpower through…

i suspect it's play design. You have lethal weapons out there. And still we see the opponent's D bustin off some major league disrespect.

The thing you didn't mention is design to the player's talents. That's what is missing in the O. instead it's the jet sweep to keep the back end pursuit honest and spread the D horizontally - only that doesn't work when the D is clearly not afraid of your speed to turn the corner outside. That's why they line up 10 in the box, tight to the box as well. Claypool around the end just don't scare them.

i would like seam routes. An inside hitch, a skinny post for Claypool. That way the safeties cannot just jump the muthaf*ckin outside and deep routes - they have to worry about being roasted deep down the middle by Claypool and his catching radius. Throw in Muth as well - he's a big target and he's quick. THAT way, the corner's really have to back the F off cause they don't always have help over the top.

 

[SojournerSteel]

Arians was forced out here after some bad offensive seasons. He didn't leave on an upward professional trajectory, his later success helps prove my point there is something broken in Tomlins coaching/leadership and the development of fresh ideas and innovation in the coaching staff

Well said, and to your point the coaching tree of course is also an indicator. Coaching trees branch out because people want some of that fresh new sauce and cross-pollination and we haven’t had any in a long time.