2:09 left in the first half

[t-man]

We stop them on 2nd down, to make it 3rd and long, why wouldn't we elect to take a timeout there? Luckily the Ravens did call a pass, so it didn't matter, but had we used the timeout it saves those seconds, since we get the free timeout at the 2 min warning. The Ravens let the clock run down to 2 mins, then they ran their pass play, and punted. It didn't make a difference since it ended up being a non issue, but man.

I'm not a basher, but shouldn't this be basic stuff? I was several beers in by that point (I tend to drink a little more when we're losing, I think there might be a trend, but I won't look too close). And I was just like if I can see this, why the hell aren't they doing it?

Also, where the **** is the no huddle?

Haley, we all know you're a ******* idiot, please, please, stop trying to call the ******* games. Just sit on the ******* sidelines, and collect your check, and let Ben run this ******* offense. If we lose, at least it wont be because we figured running it up the middle 15 times a game was needed.

Oh, and one more thing, I know it's great we have Blount and all, but please, please, get him the **** out of there when we aren't on the goal line. We have a guy who has the makings of something very special in Bell, and every fan on the planet can see the huge drop off between those two guys. We need a yard, fine, put him in. We are going from the gun and doing some shifty **** where versatility is needed, get him the **** out and get Bell in there.

I think that's all I have, feels good to vent.

Joe

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

ehhh I dont know.

What if some fluke PI occured or what if Flacco somehow got the first? Esepcially considering that (I think) they only had 1 TO at that point, so it would have been more helpful to them.

I think the risk/reward calling the TO to save 20/30 seconds was much too high, considering we had our full slate of TO's on deck...

 

[Idioteque]

Probably for the same reason we ran out the last 1:47 of the first half against the Ravens a few years ago. And the same reason we kick so many looooong FGs on 4th-and-short and so many shooooort FGs on 4th-and-goal from the 2. Because this regime is absurdly conservative, and assumes that we're better off in the locker room, and that FGs win games.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Head coach is not responsible for clock management.

 

[Steel G]

Had this same discussion last night during the game, I would have called the timeout too. Tomlin has always, always, always, ****** up clock management. He sucks at it. And now, with Haley and Munchak on the staff, you've got 3 one time head coaches and none of them are smart enough to say, "Hey, maybe we should take a timeout here." Yeah, in the grand scheme of things it wound up not mattering. But they've sucked at controlling the clock and apparently they always will.

 

[antdrewjosh]

So if we call timeout there and the Ravens get the first down you mean to tell me no one would be questioning why we took a timeout?? I mean its not like we were stopping them convincingly.

 

[Franco]

You expect Tomlin in his 8th year to start understanding clock management ? I guess the football genius didn't learn much at William & Mary other than being a con man and a bull **** artist.

 

[Idioteque]

So if we call timeout there and the Ravens get the first down you mean to tell me no one would be questioning why we took a timeout?? I mean its not like we were stopping them convincingly.

No, taking a TO there is pretty much the league standard call.

 

[antdrewjosh]

No, taking a TO there is pretty much the league standard call.

You have percentages to back that up? Cause seem to me it would depend on how your defense was playing.

 

[Franco]

LOL, what a shock, antdrewjosh defending his boy Tomlin to the bitter end. Just give the moron more time, 8 years is not enough to learn all the nuances of being a head coach given his lack of both intelligence and experience.

 

[Idioteque]

You have percentages to back that up? Cause seem to me it would depend on how your defense was playing.

Not really, because if your goal is to stop them anyway (as it should be) then you want more time on the clock instead of less. Otherwise I'd say that's a very defeatist attitude. "I don't trust you guys to stop this slooooowwww offense, so we're just going to pack it in for the half."

 

[Bigappleyinzer]

Not really, because if your goal is to stop them anyway (as it should be) then you want more time on the clock instead of less. Otherwise I'd say that's a very defeatist attitude. "I don't trust you guys to stop this slooooowwww offense, so we're just going to pack it in for the half."

Time was not the issue- we had ALL of our timeouts left. At worst we are left with 1:50 and 2 timeouts. Plenty of time to move down the field.

The Ravens had, at the time, only 1 timeout. Lets say the get the 1st somehow... Now we basically gave them an extra timeout to move down the field.

And for what? The risks makes little sense considering we had plenty of time on the clock if we made a stop.

 

[Steel G]

So if we call timeout there and the Ravens get the first down you mean to tell me no one would be questioning why we took a timeout?? I mean its not like we were stopping them convincingly.

It was 3rd and 13. If it was 3rd and 2, I'd maybe agree with you. But on 3rd and 13 you should be playing the percentages.

 

[antdrewjosh]

Exactly we had all three TOs. So we risk giving them an extra time out basically if they pick up the first. 1:50 and three timeouts is more then enough time..

 

[antdrewjosh]

It was 3rd and 13. If it was 3rd and 2, I'd maybe agree with you. But on 3rd and 13 you should be playing the percentages.

Which percentages? That we havent been really successful in stopping them. 3rd and 13 isnt exactly guaranteed the way we are playing defense. Like i said its not like we didnt have 3 timeouts.

 

[Franco]

Jesus Christ, all Tomlin excuses all the time. You also loved him punting down 3 scores with 8 minutes left I bet. At least we didn't have to unleash that double secret two point play that Tomlin holds dear to his heart.

 

[Idioteque]

Exactly we had all three TOs. So we risk giving them an extra time out basically if they pick up the first. 1:50 and three timeouts is more then enough time..

As I said, that's defeatist. All depends on whether you want the ball back or you're happy putting a stamp on the half and going into the locker room. Most coaches would bet on their own team and take the slight risk, since either decision would be a risk.

 

[antdrewjosh]

As I said, that's defeatist. All depends on whether you want the ball back or you're happy putting a stamp on the half and going into the locker room. Most coaches would bet on their own team and take the slight risk, since either decision would be a risk.

So three timeouts and a 1:50 not enough time?

 

[Steel G]

Which percentages? That we havent been really successful in stopping them. 3rd and 13 isnt exactly guaranteed the way we are playing defense. Like i said its not like we didnt have 3 timeouts.

Ravens were 5 of 12 on 3rd downs in the game, so yes, you play the percentages. If your thinking on a 3rd and 13 is, "Well, what if they convert?" Well, then, you might as well pack up and go home and find another profession because it's a loser attitude.

 

[topseed]

I'd say when Tomlin chose to punt the ball away and essentially give up, with 9:41 left in the game and down by 17, it was a more egregious error in clock management.

 

[Idioteque]

I'd say when Tomlin chose to punt the ball away and essentially give up, with 9:41 left in the game and down by 17, it was a more egregious error in clock management.

Like I said in another thread: it's like watching a Madden game from the '90s. The guy is programmed to chase FGs and field position regardless of situation or common sense.

 

[t-man]

If I'm coaching that game, I want as much time on the clock as possible, because I want a ******* touchdown, not another goddamn field goal, going into the half. I would be looking to save every second, because if I want to use the middle of the field, those extra seconds, and that extra free stop, might make a difference, instead of me needing to hug the ******* sidelines and hope to get in field goal range. Saving that time gives you more options when you get the ball back, and if you can't get the ball back, well, you're ****** anyway. If you can't stop a 3rd and 12, how the **** are you going to stop them the rest of the game?

Joe

 

[Vader]

Just to answer the question... Tomlin said the reason he didn't call the TO is because he forgot about it until they reminded him. Not sure who "they" are except maybe the guys in the booth. By then it was too late.

 

[tapeANaspirin2it]

Just to answer the question... Tomlin said the reason he didn't call the TO is because he forgot about it until they reminded him. Not sure who "they" are except maybe the guys in the booth. By then it was too late.

it's not the head coach's responsibility to be aware of his team's TO situation or clock management. I mean players are allowed to call TO themselves.

 

[JJ_Steel]

it's not the head coach's responsibility to be aware of his team's TO situation or clock management. I mean players are allowed to call TO themselves.

Again, Tomlin is useless on game days. I can't think of a single game where he made a positive difference on the sidelines, that is sad.