No losing seasons

[NoKap#7]

Participation trophy is without playoff wins. As you participated and accomplished nothing in the postseason. A win or two in the postseason is accomplishing something just short of the ultimate prize. For me I am satisfied with a playoff win or two . For me that is something which is always better than nothing.

Participation trophy is without a SB buddy...I hate to break it to you, but it's nothing more and nothing less. If you're not winning SBs it's essentially a wasted season. Ask Buffalo Bill fans who saw their team go to 4 straight SBs and lose. Like I said if they had won 1-2 playoff games over the last seven seasons you would find something else to complain about. Stop fooling yourself...or moreso pretending like you would be OK with it.

 

[Steeltime]

If it’s not a big deal, why comment on it? For the record, Russ, at this time, isn’t anything close to Montana, Marino, Mahomes or Ben. Coach Lombardi was the most conservative out of all of those coaches, you think he’s gambling with a lead in that situation?

Agree that almost certainly a 1960's era NFL coach would not have had his QB throwing the ball with 1:56 seconds left in the half. The team would have run the ball three times and gone into the locker room. The aggressive approach with less than two minutes in the half is a modern invention.

That said, very good chance Lombardi calls the 3rd timeout with as much time left as possible and has his QB go for the endzone before kicking a field goal because in the 1960's, field goal kickers were just awful. We forget that before the mid-1970's, most field goal kickers made about 50% of field goal attempts. Kickers were terrible until the last couple generations.

 

[BLITZ]

Participation trophy is without a SB buddy...I hate to break it to you, but it's nothing more and nothing less. If you're not winning SBs it's essentially a wasted season. Ask Buffalo Bill fans who saw their team go to 4 straight SBs and lose. Like I said if they had won 1-2 playoff games over the last seven seasons you would find something else to complain about. Stop fooling yourself...or moreso pretending like you would be OK with it.

Basically you are saying if you aint first your last.

 

[NoKap#7]

Participation trophy is without playoff wins. As you participated and accomplished nothing in the postseason. A win or two in the postseason is accomplishing something just short of the ultimate prize. For me I am satisfied with a playoff win or two . For me that is something which is always better than nothing.

Participation trophy is without a SB buddy...I hate to break it to you, but it's nothing more and nothing less. If you're not winning SBs it's essentially a wasted season. Ask Buffalo Bill fans who saw their team go to 4 straight SBs and lose. 0 Like I said if they had won 1-2 playoff games over the last seven seasons you would something else to complain about. Stop fooling yourself...or moreso pretending like you would be OK with

I like to see a progression. So I consider..getting to the playoffs…..then hopefully winning some games and hopefully winning the whole thing. I am not delusional in thinking we can win a SB every year. I know it’s a process. But yes I like to see improvement rather than stagnation. Which I believe we have been stuck in for quite a few years. This season has definitely been a season of improvement so far. And yes I’d rather get a playoff Win than sit at home watching other teams playing. Knowing that the experience hopefully goes a step further.

Obviously you’re one of those annoying people that love to insert the words “participation trophy “ because it’s rather trendy even though it’s got nothing to do with the content.

Its got everything to do with the content. You guys are so full of it that it's pathetic. You most certainly would be ragging on Tomlin w/o a SB because I can tell by how you've placed unrealistic expectation on the teams that he's had the last seven years. Aside from the 2017 team there's no way anyone who was being realistic could see this team making any sort of playoff run...much less a SB. It's a miracle that they sniffed the playoffs period. You give 100% of the other coaches in the league the players that Tomlin has had (especially the Qbs) and they're drafting top 5 the next season..

 

[NoKap#7]

Basically you are saying if you aint first your last.

Pretty much....exactly what I'm saying. These guys sitting up there lying to themselves about progression. Just making up ish...you could literally go from last to first by selling out like the Rams and Buccaneers did. Where was the progression in Buffalo Bills losing 4 straight SBs?? It's actually very rare for a team to be in the playoffs one year to the next. You have to be part of some solid organizations with tremendous drafting and whose willing to grab solid free agency help. Go look at how teams change out from 1 year to the next in the playoff picture with the exception of 2 or 3 teams.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

This whole Tomlin thing is laughable, ranging from fire him to he's one of the all time greats.
For me, he's a good, but not great coach.
Great coaches win more than 3 playoff games in the last 10 years, and those were against AJ McCarron, Matt Moore and Alex Smith.
Oh, and there hasn't been a playoff win in the last 8 years, so he's good with those 8+ win seasons, not great.

This years version has me more optimistic about their chances of not having to back into the playoffs and maybe actually winning a game. We'll see.

 

[ZonaBurgh]

We won the ******* game here boys, be happy.
Also, did y’all know we tied an NFL record yesterday with 21 straight non losing seasons dating back to the 2004 season under Cowher. We tied Tom Landry’s Cowboys dating from 1965 to 1985.

When's the parade?

 

[steelhurt]

When's the parade?

Downtown Phoenix! 2m Tuesday.

 

[slashsteel]

Participation trophy is without a SB buddy...I hate to break it to you, but it's nothing more and nothing less. If you're not winning SBs it's essentially a wasted season. Ask Buffalo Bill fans who saw their team go to 4 straight SBs and lose. Like I said if they had won 1-2 playoff games over the last seven seasons you would find something else to complain about. Stop fooling yourself...or moreso pretending like you would be OK with it.

I disagree and the Bills and the Steelers do not share the same history. Steelers have 6SB victories which I have seen all of them. If they are stopped short sure nobody would like it but witnessing a playoff win over a drought for me is still something. So no it isn’t a participation trophy. You get those trophies for winning nothing in the postseason.

So we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[bermudasteel]

You're kidding right? It was a two minute offense. You do know what a two minute offense encompasses right? See, this is why people like you just need to stick with discussing what the favorite flavor of koolaid is.

******* hilarious!!!

 

[Stryker]

The dumb debauchery that could have costed him this game. Right before half time he had a time out but he blew using it costing us a chance at a TD. How difficult is using a TO instead of blowing it and wasting 8 seconds but there he stood, blowing it. That dumb blunder could have costed us the game. Tomlin is just not smart.

To be clear, I saw Russell signal for a TO he was never given, did it halfheartely, then lined up to snap the ball. The QB had the option, and didn't take it. But it is still Tomlin's job to stop the clock if RW doesn't.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

To be clear, I saw Russell signal for a TO he was never given, did it halfheartely, then lined up to snap the ball. The QB had the option, and didn't take it. But it is still Tomlin's job to stop the clock if RW doesn't.

I saw that too, it almost looked like Russ was asking Mike “timeout here” as he quickly gestured it in Mike’s direction rather than trying to get a refs attention and obviously signal for one.

They did well in the situation with a dwindling clock and two timeouts to start the drive. They drove the field and set up a solid FG opportunity to close a half before receiving the 2nd half KO allowing themselves the potential to stack back to back scores. I can’t believe how hard this is being dissected, it must be because MT **** the bed with clock management the previous week so he’s getting no grace this week even in a winning effort.

 

[Ike Kelly]

I saw that too, it almost looked like Russ was asking Mike “timeout here” as he quickly gestured it in Mike’s direction rather than trying to get a refs attention and obviously signal for one.

They did well in the situation with a dwindling clock and two timeouts to start the drive. They drove the field and set up a solid FG opportunity to close a half before receiving the 2nd half KO allowing themselves the potential to stack back to back scores. I can’t believe how hard this is being dissected, it must be because MT **** the bed with clock management the previous week so he’s getting no grace this week even in a winning effort.

Meh, your last sentence sums it up nicely Fiji. Everyone has their opinion. I just find the highlights of Coach Lloyd grammatical and literature word usage absolutely hilarious. It’s a Mel Brooks Production in progress right now!

 

[stillwright]

I saw that too, it almost looked like Russ was asking Mike “timeout here” as he quickly gestured it in Mike’s direction rather than trying to get a refs attention and obviously signal for one.

They did well in the situation with a dwindling clock and two timeouts to start the drive. They drove the field and set up a solid FG opportunity to close a half before receiving the 2nd half KO allowing themselves the potential to stack back to back scores. I can’t believe how hard this is being dissected, it must be because MT **** the bed with clock management the previous week so he’s getting no grace this week even in a winning effort.

The game came down to a score after being up by 20. So a gaffe like the one in question might have been a factor in the outcome. Luckily we got the 1st down and our elite defense was not asked to finish the game for us.

 

[Steelersfan84]

This whole Tomlin thing is laughable, ranging from fire him to he's one of the all time greats.
For me, he's a good, but not great coach.
Great coaches win more than 3 playoff games in the last 10 years, and those were against AJ McCarron, Matt Moore and Alex Smith.
Oh, and there hasn't been a playoff win in the last 8 years, so he's good with those 8+ win seasons, not great.

This years version has me more optimistic about their chances of not having to back into the playoffs and maybe actually winning a game. We'll see.

He's not even good. He's fortunate to have a ring cause of what Cowher left him. What has he constructed on his own?

 

[jitter77]

I enjoy playoff football so making it is step one. Losing in the playoffs is one thing, but we have not been very competitive in most games. Losing to Buffalo or KC is one thing, but some of the losses have been to subpar teams.

 

[Aussie_Steeler]

He's not even good. He's fortunate to have a ring cause of what Cowher left him. What has he constructed on his own?

Tomlin must be doing something right - he has a team that a significant number were writing off as more likely to be in the AFC North basement than leaders. He has done it with one "washed up" quarterback and one who was a failure at Chicago, without a number 2 wide receiver and with a washed up OAP as their number one d-lineman.

He has a 60%+ winning record over 18 years. You don't achieve that over that length of time unless you are a good coach. Get the playoff record up to 60%+ and add another Superbowl or two then he will be great.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

The game came down to a score after being up by 20. So a gaffe like the one in question might have been a factor in the outcome. Luckily we got the 1st down and our elite defense was not asked to finish the game for us.

100% sounds like defensive issues they way you put it…and I’m also glad that elite D didn’t have to close it out, that’s what Fields is for (2nd save on the season for the closer). I can’t argue with the D being the issue, when the D gives up 31 they definitely need to look in the mirror. Luckily our offense outplayed their **** D and put up 37.

The majority of gaffes were when Herbig was on the field yet I see him get celebrated when he finally makes 1 damn play after getting owned all game. He gets a pass tho? Don’t get me wrong I like the kid but that was a **** performance and the D looked better the handful of plays Preston was in for him as they were all positive plays. The majority of the gaffes were also when JPJ was on the field yet people think he’s some sort of lockdown corner? Where the hell is Minkah?

I simply can’t dissect the offense and put them under the microscope for not getting one more play off to end a half when they put up 37. If you put up 37 you should win every damn week with this highly paid D. That play could’ve been a penalty, a sack, an interception a bad snap…absolutely zero guarantees one more play helps a bit and very unlikely 1 more play leads to 4 more points which shouldn’t be needed anyways had the D not **** the bed.

Cracks me up the things we dissect after wins

Has clock management been an issue in the past-undeniable
Would it be problematic if this is how the D is gonna play-absolutely

 

[diver]

100% sounds like defensive issues they way you put it…and I’m also glad that elite D didn’t have to close it out, that’s what Fields is for (2nd save on the season for the closer). I can’t argue with the D being the issue, when the D gives up 31 they definitely need to look in the mirror. Luckily our offense outplayed their **** D and put up 37.

The majority of gaffes were when Herbig was on the field yet I see him get celebrated when he finally makes 1 damn play after getting owned all game. He gets a pass tho? Don’t get me wrong I like the kid but that was a **** performance and the D looked better the handful of plays Preston was in for him as they were all positive plays. The majority of the gaffes were also when JPJ was on the field yet people think he’s some sort of lockdown corner? Where the hell is Minkah?

I simply can’t dissect the offense and put them under the microscope for not getting one more play off to end a half when they put up 37. If you put up 37 you should win every damn week with this highly paid D. That play could’ve been a penalty, a sack, an interception a bad snap…absolutely zero guarantees one more play helps a bit and very unlikely 1 more play leads to 4 more points which shouldn’t be needed anyways had the D not **** the bed.

Cracks me up the things we dissect after wins

Has clock management been an issue in the past-undeniable
Would it be problematic if this is how the D is gonna play-absolutely

The positive about Porter I guess is he is always there. He is always contesting. It's not like he is running 5-10 yards behind wherever the receiver is like some corners the Steelers have had over the years.

Minkah is probably doing things we don't see...they haven't been gouged too much this year with long passes. Idk. It is baffling.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

The positive about Porter I guess is he is always there. He is always contesting. It's not like he is running 5-10 yards behind wherever the receiver is like some corners the Steelers have had over the years.

Minkah is probably doing things we don't see...they haven't been gouged too much this year with long passes. Idk. It is baffling.

I’ve only watched the all 22 a few times this year so I can neither confirm or deny but I’m guessing you’re right.

Probably not playing to his strengths cuz he’s really been invisible.

Would be great to have someone else competent to play single high so he could get closer to being around the ball and utilize his ball hawking abilities we saw in his early years with us.

 

[NoKap#7]

I enjoy playoff football so making it is step one. Losing in the playoffs is one thing, but we have not been very competitive in most games. Losing to Buffalo or KC is one thing, but some of the losses have been to subpar teams.

There's only been one subpar team that I recall..and that's was Jacksonville in 2017....they weren't so much subpar but the Steelers were still the better team even with the huge loss of Ryan Shazier. That was a huge blow to the defense and basically made them average. They still should of won though.

 

[Stryker]

100% sounds like defensive issues they way you put it…and I’m also glad that elite D didn’t have to close it out, that’s what Fields is for (2nd save on the season for the closer). I can’t argue with the D being the issue, when the D gives up 31 they definitely need to look in the mirror. Luckily our offense outplayed their **** D and put up 37.

The majority of gaffes were when Herbig was on the field yet I see him get celebrated when he finally makes 1 damn play after getting owned all game. He gets a pass tho? Don’t get me wrong I like the kid but that was a **** performance and the D looked better the handful of plays Preston was in for him as they were all positive plays. The majority of the gaffes were also when JPJ was on the field yet people think he’s some sort of lockdown corner? Where the hell is Minkah?

I simply can’t dissect the offense and put them under the microscope for not getting one more play off to end a half when they put up 37. If you put up 37 you should win every damn week with this highly paid D. That play could’ve been a penalty, a sack, an interception a bad snap…absolutely zero guarantees one more play helps a bit and very unlikely 1 more play leads to 4 more points which shouldn’t be needed anyways had the D not **** the bed.

Cracks me up the things we dissect after wins

Has clock management been an issue in the past-undeniable
Would it be problematic if this is how the D is gonna play-absolutely

FYI Herbig plays OLB and Peyton plays ILB. They were on the field at the same time on the Peyton scoop and score forced by Herbig.

 

[slashsteel]

FYI Herbig plays OLB and Peyton plays ILB. They were on the field at the same time on the Peyton scoop and score forced by Herbig.

Good speed with them and Queen on the field.

 

[stillwright]

The positive about Porter I guess is he is always there. He is always contesting. It's not like he is running 5-10 yards behind wherever the receiver is like some corners the Steelers have had over the years.

Minkah is probably doing things we don't see...they haven't been gouged too much this year with long passes. Idk. It is baffling.

Schematicly

Tomlin must be doing something right - he has a team that a significant number were writing off as more likely to be in the AFC North basement than leaders. He has done it with one "washed up" quarterback and one who was a failure at Chicago, without a number 2 wide receiver and with a washed up OAP as their number one d-lineman.

He has a 60%+ winning record over 18 years. You don't achieve that over that length of time unless you are a good coach. Get the playoff record up to 60%+ and add another Superbowl or two then he will be great.

SB bound!!!!!!

 

[Litos]

FYI Herbig plays OLB and Peyton plays ILB. They were on the field at the same time on the Peyton scoop and score forced by Herbig.

Fiji said Preston (Smith), not Peyton.