Noooooo (Tomlin 2 year extension)

[diver]

This consistent argument reminds me of the argument we had as teenagers. Who was better? Lynard Skynard or the Allman Brothers. I always wondered why you can't just like both.

 

[antdrewjosh]

I'm on record for saying I loved Cowher. Didn't want him to retire but he did. He had his faults. He made his blunders. But he also had success and is given his just due for it. I would like to see Tomlin get the same.

 

[slashsteel]

I'm on record for saying I loved Cowher. Didn't want him to retire but he did. He had his faults. He made his blunders. But he also had success and is given his just due for it. I would like to see Tomlin get the same.

With this years tough schedule, win, get the Steelers to the playoffs, and win at least ONE game. And I will be semi satisfied.

And would have no problems giving him props.

But I can understand fans frustration with a QB as high caliber as Ben, not winning any recent playoff games.

That is a recent trend that needs reversing.

 

[antdrewjosh]

That franchise Qb hasn't exactly played lights out either

 

[Drink IRON City]

Of the two,.............Colbert is the weaker link.




Salute the nation

 

[SteelBuckeye]

None of that means he mailed in his last season. You think Noll mailed in his last season? It's just an opinion not fact. Just because he retired doesn't mean he lost anything. Hell, that team won 6 out of it's last 8 games. I guess a coach can just mail it in and win once his QB gets healthy? Strange how that happened...

Whose decision was it to start Ben when he had all those injuries? It was bad coaching when Tomlin did it in San Fran and it was bad coaching in '06. Maybe if Cowher had gone with Charlie to begin '06 they get a couple more wins and you have a healthy Ben going into the playoffs (assuming they would have made the playoffs with the improved record). So, and this is just my opinion, Ben's health is not an excuse for the way the '06 season played out.

 

[FAB802]

A QB is much more important than a RB or a ******* center. How many were on the DL for GB when they won that game. They had a bunch of nobodies in the secondary. I guess that doesn't count thought right? Only the Steelers can have health issues.

No, you habitual whiners don't just get to keep piling on and acting like excuses are a one way street. While he isn't one of the top coaches in the league, the guy Tomlin replaced wasn't either. Revisionist history or no. And acting like losing the player who runs the line, and the best RB in the game pales to a QB is ridiculous as **** too.

 

[FAB802]

And I was only looking at picks in the first three rounds. Getting AB in the 6th I suppose makes up for it. 4th to 6th rounds are a crapshoot and I get that. If one of those turns out well then it's a bonus. Every pick in rounds 1 to 3 ought to be a bona fide ******* starter by year three, barring injury.

You suppose? Lmao at some of you guys. EVERY team gets quality in the first three rounds and never misses. Every regime here has as well. Please. You can dislike Tomlin for whatever reason you want, but you can do it without trying to recreate history and act like the previous regime didn't have some great, as well as some completely *** moments themselves. You can take issue with one or the other without lumping them together to make a point. Once Ben retires Cowher's players will be gone and we can let Tomlin earn his own way I guess. You know, like every coach who has ever taken over a franchise starts from complete scratch.

 

[Vader]

No, you habitual whiners don't just get to keep piling on and acting like excuses are a one way street. While he isn't one of the top coaches in the league, the guy Tomlin replaced wasn't either. Revisionist history or no. And acting like losing the player who runs the line, and the best RB in the game pales to a QB is ridiculous as **** too.

No, what you people that keep bitching don't get is that the entire NFL doesn't revolve around the Steelers. Yea, they missed a rookie center. Big ****. The entire secondary of GB was hurt. But you guys keep spinning and dreaming up **** that doesn't amount to anything. Take Ben off this team and they don't even make the playoffs last year. But hey everybody knows RBs are more important in today's NFL than QBs.... BTW who was Brady's RB last year? Who's the rats RB? Yea... just what I thought.

 

[Vader]

Whose decision was it to start Ben when he had all those injuries? It was bad coaching when Tomlin did it in San Fran and it was bad coaching in '06. Maybe if Cowher had gone with Charlie to begin '06 they get a couple more wins and you have a healthy Ben going into the playoffs (assuming they would have made the playoffs with the improved record). So, and this is just my opinion, Ben's health is not an excuse for the way the '06 season played out.

Doesn't matter as you are now changing the entire subject. So now you are stating that he started Ben because he wanted to win badly? Wait, I thought he mailed it in.

Also if Ben is hurt this year and the team goes 6-10 that won't be used as an excuse? I'm calling bullshit right now.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

You suppose? Lmao at some of you guys. EVERY team gets quality in the first three rounds and never misses. Every regime here has as well. Please. You can dislike Tomlin for whatever reason you want, but you can do it without trying to recreate history and act like the previous regime didn't have some great, as well as some completely *** moments themselves. You can take issue with one or the other without lumping them together to make a point. Once Ben retires Cowher's players will be gone and we can let Tomlin earn his own way I guess. You know, like every coach who has ever taken over a franchise starts from complete scratch.

By the time the 2014 season started there was NO ONE from two consecutive drafts ('08 and '09) left on the team. I think those two wasted drafts led indirectly to going 8-8 in 2012 and 2013.

No, what you people that keep bitching don't get is that the entire NFL doesn't revolve around the Steelers.

Apostate!!!

 

[Ron Burgundy]

On balance I just think that Cowbert's drafts were better than Tombert's drafts.

 

[diver]

On balance I just think that Cowbert's drafts were better than Tombert's drafts.

We'll see. Cowher's drafts, the body of work is there. Tomlin is in the process. I know it is a big IF, but if Jarvis Jones turns it on, his drafts are going to look a lot better. Maybe I am wrong, but I think this is where a lot of angst comes from with Tomlin. I know I didn't like the pick. I don't watch much college football anymore, but I watched Georgia's bowl game before he came out. He was already being connected to the Steelers, or at least he would be a good Steeler OLB. I didn't see much. He ran around a lot, but didn't do much.

So, anyway, I think if he has 12 sacks or something this year, things will look much better overall.

One argument I think is lousy is the argument about having Ben. ****, man, this QB has to play better in big games. I love the guy, and throwing 12 TDS in two weeks in Oct/Nov is wonderful. But they needed him to carry them against the Ravens, and the simple truth is he did not. In the SB against the Packers, he forces a ball to Wallace and gets picked, and he had Heath Miller so wide open down the ******' seam he could have punted the ball for a TD. Point is to put the blame solely on the head coach is just childish.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Doesn't matter as you are now changing the entire subject. So now you are stating that he started Ben because he wanted to win badly? Wait, I thought he mailed it in.

Also if Ben is hurt this year and the team goes 6-10 that won't be used as an excuse? I'm calling bullshit right now.

I think you might want to re-read what I wrote above. At no time did "I" say that Cowher mailed it in. I said I think he retired because he had other interests (something he said himself). Later, I said that his decision to start Ben at the beginning of '06 was a terrible job of coaching in my opinion. I did not respond to the "mailed it in" portion of your comments because you were ascribing something to me that I did not say. Nor did I say that Cowher "started Ben because he wanted to win badly". I have about as much knowledge of "why" he decided to start Ben as you do .... none. But, it was a piss poor decision whatever his motivation.

Sorry, I choose not to buy into the plot line of the "infallible Cowher" being followed by the "bumbling Tomlin". They were/are both good coaches who were/are flawed. Neither is an all-time great. Neither is straight dog **** either.

If Ben is hurt this year and the team goes 6-10 because Tomlin starts him at the beginning of the season when he's still hurt, that would fall squarely on Tomlin's shoulders and would be just as ****** a job of coaching and decision making as it was in '06.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Sorry, I choose not to buy into the plot line of the "infallible Cowher" being followed by the "bumbling Tomlin". They were/are both good coaches who were/are flawed. Neither is an all-time great. Neither is straight dog **** either.

Dittos. I didn't mean to imply that Cowher is a HOF'er and Tomlin sucks, just that I think on balance Cowher was a better coach. The Chin ain't coming back, he makes good money for a lot less work and stress on TV. So then who are you going to replace Cool Shades with? Except for Belicheat and possibly Tom Coughlin, I don't know that there are any other HC out there who are worilds better than Shades. Again, sometimes he does boneheaded **** that leaves those of us on our couches who are not SB-winning coaches saying "WTF?" (and turning out to be right) but is is what it is.

 

[Wingman]

hahahahaha

Steelers tell all their amateur GM's to shut the hell up, we don't listen to you

We know that, if they did they might have won a playoff game by now.

 

[IndySteel]

This consistent argument reminds me of the argument we had as teenagers. Who was better? Lynard Skynard or the Allman Brothers. I always wondered why you can't just like both.

When I was a kid it was Van Halen vs. Journey. If you were for Journey you were a ******* ***** and still are.

 

[Litos]

We'll see. Cowher's drafts, the body of work is there. Tomlin is in the process. I know it is a big IF, but if Jarvis Jones turns it on, his drafts are going to look a lot better. Maybe I am wrong, but I think this is where a lot of angst comes from with Tomlin. I know I didn't like the pick. I don't watch much college football anymore, but I watched Georgia's bowl game before he came out. He was already being connected to the Steelers, or at least he would be a good Steeler OLB. I didn't see much. He ran around a lot, but didn't do much.

So, anyway, I think if he has 12 sacks or something this year, things will look much better overall.

One argument I think is lousy is the argument about having Ben. ****, man, this QB has to play better in big games. I love the guy, and throwing 12 TDS in two weeks in Oct/Nov is wonderful. But they needed him to carry them against the Ravens, and the simple truth is he did not. In the SB against the Packers, he forces a ball to Wallace and gets picked, and he had Heath Miller so wide open down the ******' seam he could have punted the ball for a TD. Point is to put the blame solely on the head coach is just childish.

if he has 12 sacks I'll be throwing a party and everyone is invited. If he gets 8 sacks I'll be happy with JJ

 

[diver]

if he has 12 sacks I'll be throwing a party and everyone is invited. If he gets 8 sacks I'll be happy with JJ

My point is that I think a lot of people's issues with Tomlin/Colbert is the drafting of Jarvis Jones. It's just the one thing people can't get past, for various reasons. His injury (neck), he maybe was overrated, how fast they sent the card to the podium, whatever. Therefore I think if Jones really starts to play well, people will look at things better.

Personally, my expectations of Jones aren't that high either. I think he was a mistake pick. However, I don't think that makes Tomlin or Colbert idiots or bad at their jobs. They just made a mistake, like every other coach or GM will eventually make in the 1st round.

 

[Tarkus]

[ Steelers could do FAR worse in terms of their head coaching position.[/QUOTE]

Yes, that's the exact idea that I have in mind when talking about a head coach.
Don't think Tomlin is a great coach. gets outwitted by others to often for me.
However our GM...man he needs to get on with his life's work somewhere else.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

My point is that I think a lot of people's issues with Tomlin/Colbert is the drafting of Jarvis Jones. It's just the one thing people can't get past, for various reasons. His injury (neck), he maybe was overrated, how fast they sent the card to the podium, whatever. Therefore I think if Jones really starts to play well, people will look at things better.

Personally, my expectations of Jones aren't that high either. I think he was a mistake pick. However, I don't think that makes Tomlin or Colbert idiots or bad at their jobs. They just made a mistake, like every other coach or GM will eventually make in the 1st round.

And Archer, Sweed, Hills, Dixon, Worilds, Mendenhall, Hood....

 

[antdrewjosh]

And Archer, Sweed, Hills, Dixon, Worilds, Mendenhall, Hood....

Did you not see the drafts I posted for 96 and 97? They were just as bad. They led to the free fall in 98 and 99. They have both made mistakes neither was or is perfect.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Did you not see the drafts I posted for 96 and 97? They were just as bad. They led to the free fall in 98 and 99. They have both made mistakes neither was or is perfect.

I know.
Was driving to work and realized I forgot Mike Adams on that list. On the other hand, they couldn't cut A.Q. Shipley fast enough and he's done a serviceable job as an OL since.
But then Buddy Parker cut Johnny Unitas and Len Dawson too.

 

[antdrewjosh]

PITTSBURGH STEELERS
Bell: Steelers start from scratch with young defense

Jarrett Bell, USA TODAY Sports
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Charles LeClaire, USA TODAY Sports
Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin reacts as he observes drills during minicamp at the UPMC Sports Complex.
LATROBE, Pa. — As the Pittsburgh Steelers put the wraps on their first training camp practice on Sunday, there was one final matter of business for the young defense that looms as such a huge question mark.

Grass drills.
Snap. Drop. Roll. Rise. Pursue — like 40 yards downfield. Drop to the grass again.
“It’s been a long time since I’ve seen anything like this,” Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger told USA TODAY Sports as he observed this from the sideline. “I’ve never seen it before here. Maybe I saw it in college. Or high school “Look at them! They’re busting their butts. They’ve got starters and All-Pros, going hard.”


Roethlisberger, in his 12th season, has seen just about every situation the game has to offer — including so many exotic defensive schemes, an assortment of injuries and the jubilation and despair of being on both sides of a Super Bowl outcome.
For such a grizzled vet to stop in his tracks to watch grass drills is a pretty good a testament about the mindset as the Steelers christened camp.
Of course, Mike Tomlin is an even better testament.
Tomlin, beginning his ninth season at the helm, is still the coolest coach in the NFL. He knows how much work is needed for a defense that is undergoing its biggest transition in years.
Dick LeBeau, the long-time coordinator, is gone, replaced by former linebackers coach Keith Butler. Troy Polamalu, Ike Taylor and Jason Worilds are gone, too. And it’s not like those departures left a unit that mimicked the Steel Curtain.

Last season, the defense allowed 4.36 yards per rush — worst by a Pittsburgh unit since 1964. And as bad as it was against the run, Pittsburgh allowed, according to ESPN Stats and Information, an NFL-worst 54.2% completion rate on throws of at least 20 yards. Furthermore, there was a California-like drought of big plays. The Steelers were the only team in the league not to get an interception from a safety, and the 33 sacks were fewest by the team since 1989.
This, from the Steelers defense?
And now they are so, so young.
No wonder they were doing grass drills. It sends quite the message.
“We’ve got to build a good core fundamentals in them, in terms of hustling and running to the ball,” Tomlin told USA TODAY Sports. “And we just can’t talk about it. We’ve got to find ways to instill it in them. When you’re young, there are elements of the game that are going to be issues for you. We’re not going to be perfect. We’re going to make mistakes. That comes with youth.
“But also, a positive of that, is that we should be able to run all day, and physicality has got to be an asset. We’ve just got to make sure that shows up on a consistent basis.”
There was no question about Tomlin’s mindset on Sunday. He still has that confident strut, still grumbles a lot and still operates as a ball of energy who runs and yells from one group to another.


As camp opened, the Steelers announced that they had signed Tomlin to a two-year contract extension that secures him through 2018. Likewise, general manager Kevin Colbert was extended two years through 2018.
That’s the Steelers’ way of doing business. Keep the continuity. Tomlin is one of only three Steelers coaches since 1969.
But that security comes with the expectation to compete for championships. Tomlin, who pushes his teams to play hard for him, has certainly produced results. In eight seasons, he has won four division crowns, including another one last season, and went to two Super Bowls. He’s never had a losing season.
Only five NFL coaches — Bill Belichick, Marvin Lewis, Tom Coughlin, Mike McCarthy and Sean Payton — have been on their current jobs longer than Tomlin, and yet Tomlin, at 43, is the second-youngest coach in the league.


Typically, he grumbled when asked about the extension.
“I don’t think any of us get into this looking for longevity,” Tomlin said. “We’re competitive. That’s what it speaks to. Just how competitive this league is and these jobs are. I don’t take it for granted.”
While all of the starters return from an explosive offense, it’s natural to expect that Tomlin will be spending more time this season with the defense.
“If they need more of me, they’ll get it,” he said.


When the offense was tweaked after Todd Haley came in as a coordinator in 2012, Tomlin was “heavily” involved with the unit, as he put it.
“But it’s my job to see them through the transition,” he said.
He can’t be happy about the secondary in particular. Tomlin’s first NFL job was coaching defensive backs.
Think he takes the issues in the secondary personally?
“Man, I take it all personal,” Tomlin said.
At least he’s undefeated at the moment. The season, which opens at New England on Sept. 10, in the NFL kickoff game, is ahead of him.
“Next time you see me,” he promised, “it won’t be as pleasant

 

[SteelBuckeye]

[ Steelers could do FAR worse in terms of their head coaching position.

Yes, that's the exact idea that I have in mind when talking about a head coach.
Don't think Tomlin is a great coach. gets outwitted by others to often for me.
However our GM...man he needs to get on with his life's work somewhere else.

So, let me get this straight. Mike Tomlin was "outwitted" 46 times so far in his career and 82 times either the players, Lebeau, Arians or Haley bailed him out; otherwise, he would have been outwitted. Mike Tomlin was outwitted in 1 SB and the other SB he was lucky enough to just stand on the sidelines while Lebeau, Arians and the players bailed him out again.

That Tomlin, he sure is one LUCKY dummy!