Madden ripped him a new one no surprise. The outcome is not good. If you look at his passing metrics it looks damn terrible. I just don't know how you can evaluate a rookie in this offense. I mean if you looked at Ben in the first half of most games last year it looked the damn same. Dito for Mitch. I would have to know what was expected on each play and whether he is passing up targets over the middle or there just aren't any. He looks pretty good between the 30s and then when they get close particularly inside the 10 it's a joke. I think he has some maturing to do and maybe this was not a good experience, but jeez help the guy out a little with the plays.
Not sure how to evaluate KP
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Madden is an idiot. And, seriously, we are going there again with Pickett even after he had a pretty darn good game? The kid is a rookie. Why does everyone want to label him a bust already. I put Madden right up there with the PFF rankings. Clickbait stupidity. KP gets through next year and probably even his 3rd year before anyone should be even thinking about labeling him a bust. He is not Big Ben. No one is.
I don't disagree. But Rudolph got completely roasted when Ben got hurt and he was 20.points higher on the passer rating. The kid's numbers are terrible. I'm not saying there aren't reasons. But they are terrible. That's my point. I'm mostly with you but.......
KP is also dealing with Canaduh. When was the last time this O scored 20+ points running Canaduh's offense, if ever? D scores don't count and Ben ditching Canaduh and calling his own plays to bring us back doesn't count.
Generally speaking, the many issues we have had this year from Canada, the line, dropped balls and tipped balls (more than seems normal) and all of the other craziness, it is almost entirely impossible to truly "rate" Pickett right now.
Mind you, not trying to explain away him failing to throw away at times, making some bad throws, etc. That stuff expected of rookies is always there.
While I am not sure we can rate him accurately right now, I will say he exhibits a lot of the intangibles we would want to see. Unfortunately, he didn't walk into the same situation Ben did.
Mind you, not trying to explain away him failing to throw away at times, making some bad throws, etc. That stuff expected of rookies is always there.
While I am not sure we can rate him accurately right now, I will say he exhibits a lot of the intangibles we would want to see. Unfortunately, he didn't walk into the same situation Ben did.
I totally agree. I'm hoping he builds on last week. Like the title. I find it tough to evaluate him. We can come up with reasons. Some would say excuses but it is what it is.
Eighth highest completion rate in the league. Pickett's completion percentage above expected, ie passes that were completed against the odds, is a 2.0, fourth-best in the league. (Both per an article on DK's site).
There's something to work with there. Let the kid continue to try to find his way.
There's something to work with there. Let the kid continue to try to find his way.
He definitely needs help from a run game which he got last week. I think he should take off and run himself at least once per series. A pass game involving the running backs and something over the middle would help. In short he needs a competent OC.
Two things I know:
1. So far, I can't give KP neither a pass nor fail grade. I give him an incomplete, for all the reasons already stated... ad nauseum.
2. KP passes the "eyeball test"; i.e., at any time in any situation in any game, I feel confident he can make something happen.
1. So far, I can't give KP neither a pass nor fail grade. I give him an incomplete, for all the reasons already stated... ad nauseum.
2. KP passes the "eyeball test"; i.e., at any time in any situation in any game, I feel confident he can make something happen.
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Geez! Kenny will be fine for Pete sake!
Look Tomlin botched this like I knew he would by setting Kenny behind in the summer by making him third team. Never got to work with the starters in the summer or preseason games and was clearly set to be the backup. Then Tomlin makes the switch at halftime against an improved Jets team, then gives him his first start in Buffalo. The kid never had taken any first team reps prior to the Jets game. This is another reason I think Tomlin is incompetent and derelict in his duties. Did Kenny no favors!
Then you put Picket behind an OL trying to adjust to playing with each other. Zero chemistry!
Receivers that are overrated plus Pickens who also is a rookie.
Couple that with an OC and scheme that made even Ben look bad and only when he deviated from the plan did we look like an offense last year,
I would hold off being critical of Kenny this year. He has lots to deal with and shades didn’t help him one bit.
As for Mark Madden! He’s a genius living in his own mind. Who wastes their time listening to this guy. He’s click bait material, that’s all! Like a shock jock! Not worth the time!
Look Tomlin botched this like I knew he would by setting Kenny behind in the summer by making him third team. Never got to work with the starters in the summer or preseason games and was clearly set to be the backup. Then Tomlin makes the switch at halftime against an improved Jets team, then gives him his first start in Buffalo. The kid never had taken any first team reps prior to the Jets game. This is another reason I think Tomlin is incompetent and derelict in his duties. Did Kenny no favors!
Then you put Picket behind an OL trying to adjust to playing with each other. Zero chemistry!
Receivers that are overrated plus Pickens who also is a rookie.
Couple that with an OC and scheme that made even Ben look bad and only when he deviated from the plan did we look like an offense last year,
I would hold off being critical of Kenny this year. He has lots to deal with and shades didn’t help him one bit.
As for Mark Madden! He’s a genius living in his own mind. Who wastes their time listening to this guy. He’s click bait material, that’s all! Like a shock jock! Not worth the time!
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1. Completion percentage is pretty good.
2. TD:INT ratio is awful
3. Lack of deep balls is likely because the coaching staff emphasizing no turnovers. This is a common trait with all the QBs.
4. Pocket presence is regressing. We are seeing the "happy feet" version of Pickett, not the version we saw in his last year at Pitt.
There are some areas to be encouraged, a lot of areas to be discouraged. I'd feel worse if the Steelers didn't run a garbage offense, but my concerns are real because the Steelers fell into the trap to set up a rookie QB for failure. Hopefully we'll see major changes to the offense this offseason and with it improvement from Pickett. I still think he has the upside of a Cousins/Carr-type of QB. As with any rookie QB, the floor is a bust.
2. TD:INT ratio is awful
3. Lack of deep balls is likely because the coaching staff emphasizing no turnovers. This is a common trait with all the QBs.
4. Pocket presence is regressing. We are seeing the "happy feet" version of Pickett, not the version we saw in his last year at Pitt.
There are some areas to be encouraged, a lot of areas to be discouraged. I'd feel worse if the Steelers didn't run a garbage offense, but my concerns are real because the Steelers fell into the trap to set up a rookie QB for failure. Hopefully we'll see major changes to the offense this offseason and with it improvement from Pickett. I still think he has the upside of a Cousins/Carr-type of QB. As with any rookie QB, the floor is a bust.
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I think any evaluation you want to do with Kenny begins with he's a rookie who has to work within a crappy offensive system under a terrible OC. Can not evaluate at this time.
For me too hard to tell the ceiling. He is handcuffed right now. But what I do see is being able to throw into tight windows. I see being able to deliver in a heavy pass rush. Really decent accuracy for a rookie QB. Of course there is his mobility which aided Ben early. Not comparing him to Ben just that one observation.
His faults have been mentioned but last game leading the team with drives that should have brought in 26 points? I am encouraged.
I think I'm here.
I've been asking myself, "Self, has Kenny hit his ceiling already???" I haven't got a response back yet...
Nor should you this season. Ship Canada off to the Bermuda.. triangle. Bring in the right OC (hint he isn't on the roster). Then we can revisit.
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4 games in a bad offense. Impossible other than some thread the needle throws I've seen. Heck look at your Alabama guys. The last two years they looked like trash, year 3 you're seeing capabilities when you start building a team around them. Tua looks to be taking a big step this year.
Even then, damn near every qb in the league has had trash games, if the teams pretty good you can overcome those bumps.
Real easy to pull up statistics each week on everyone in the bleacher report app.
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Year three which is huge in terms of experience and one of the best offensive coaches in the league running the offense.
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Yeah that's the part that scares me . We don't have anything close to the best offensive coaches in the league.
Meh they are in the top 32… that counts for something right?
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Vs Randy Fichtner?
Seriously? Randy was EVERY bit as bad as Canada. The fact that Tomlin loved the guy, protected him for a couple years and the CONTINUED his **** offensive "philosophy" after he was gone should make you want to brain Tomlin.
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I hope this all posts, but this is an interesting Twitter thread about the expectations of NFL offenses. One of the teams noted is the Steelers.
I don't think anyone can disagree that KP is severely hamstrung by his oline (I think there are pass game weapons) and his OC. But so was Mitch (same setup when many many people called for his head.) I'm just not sure if the decision to play him will help or hinder KP's long term development.
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Everything starts with the scheme. D crowds the line, DBs can look at the QB without worrying about turning their back. This puts severe pressure on the line and sets the whole offense up for failure. I don't even care about deep balls, but slants, TE seam routes, in routes, crossing routes need to be used 100000x more than now. The oline is not good, but this system doesn't give much of a chance.
As for Pickett Madden is an idiot. First he is a rookie, and second Mason,Ben, and Mitch have all looked the same. To label him as a bust with all the other factors going on is just stupid. Kenny can certainly improve in some areas, but i think he has the intangibles. If we get a real offense i think kenny will look way better
As for Pickett Madden is an idiot. First he is a rookie, and second Mason,Ben, and Mitch have all looked the same. To label him as a bust with all the other factors going on is just stupid. Kenny can certainly improve in some areas, but i think he has the intangibles. If we get a real offense i think kenny will look way better
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