Personal Play-by-Play grades for Jarvis Jones @CAR Week 3

[Zack_of_Steel]

After seeing some disagree with the notion that Jarvis had a poor game outside of the sack-fumble and the drawn facemask, I decided to do a play-by-play evaluation.

I graded each play on a simple scale of -1 to +1, in .5 intervals. Ex: -1 Awful play, -.5 Lost 1v1 battle, 0 Neutral play, +.5 Won 1v1 battle, +1 Great play.

The grades basically mean nothing, but they're a simple snapshot of what I felt I saw.


Also, as a note, I checked my evaluation against ProFootballFocus's snapcounts and such and they are pretty in line, save for the grading. A screenshot will be listed at the end.



I know many may disagree, but this is what I saw and I thought I'd share/attempt to generate discussion.



1st Drive (1st Q, 10:35 to 6:45):

1st and 10 Kelvin Benjamin puts Jones on his *** with a chip and catches a big gain. -1

1st and 10 Jones plays QB Contain, ball goes away from him. 0*

1st and 10 Jones is chipped by the TE and then makes contact with the LT as ball is thrown. 0*

2nd and 1 Jones drops into Curl/Flat zone and the Panthers run it. 0*

1st and 10 Jones drops into Middle Hook zone and recognizes that Stewart has caught a screen 5 yards behind the LOS. Jarvis takes a terrible angle and tries running underneath the LG rather than to the outside to contain the play and gets planted on his *** like a *****. Jarvis could've stopped the play at or near the LOS, but got bitched and gave up a 13 yard reception to Stewart. -1

1st and 10 Jarvis is single-teamed by Olsen, the TE and only sheds his block after Timmons has made the tackle up the gut. -.5

2nd and 8 Middle hook zone, play goes deep. 0*

3rd and 8 Steelers rush 3 with a Spy, Jarvis gets a small push on the LG. Incomplete. .5



2nd Drive (1st Q, 4:51 to 3:23):

1st and 10 Jarvis starts in contain as the play goes away from him and made by McClendon. 0*

2nd and 11 Jarvis is split out in the slot and covers Philly Brown over the middle on an In route. Timmons snuffs out the short throw to J-stew. .5

3rd and 11 Rushed 3 with a QB Spy, again. Jarvis does an inside swim on the LT, but is immediately met and stopped by the LG. 0



3rd Drive (1st Q, 0:01 to 2nd Q 13:50):

1st and 10 Jarvis attacks the LT with his inside shoulder, setting the edge, but being ridden out. Stewart runs inside and is met by Timmons/Keisel/Gay. 0

2nd and 7 Jarvis stays back in coverage. Heyward makes a one-handed sack, but Cortez holds and there are offsetting penalties. 0*

2nd and 7 Jarvis lines up over Brown, the slot receiver, and drops back. Qucik throw to Olsen (TE) over the middle. 0*

3rd and 1 Jarvis jams the #2 TE at the line, Cam playfakes and rolls to the right. Incomplete. 0*



4th Drive (2nd Q 5:30 to 1:43):

1st and 10 Jarvis is beaten to the inside in coverage on the TE, but McClendon sacks Cam immediately. -.5

2nd and 17 Jarvis is in coverage on Stewart and is beaten to the inside. Cam throws to Kelvin Benjamin. -.5

3rd and 3 Cam throws a quick out to Olsen. Jones gets a push on the LT. .5

1st and 10 Panthers run a screen to Jones's side and he's caught rushing the passer. 0*

2nd and 5 Jarvis is stood up at the line by the LT. Incomplete. -.5

3rd and 5 Jones gets a slight push on the LT. Cam completes over the middle to Benjamin..5

1st and 10 Jarvis swims to the inside and draws a facemask penalty. 1

1st and 25 Jarvis tries the inside swim and gets tripped up by the releasing RB. Cam completes a 16 yard pass. 0*

2nd and 9 Jones tries to cross inside of the TE and LT and is stonewalled. Cam rolls left, chased by Keisel. -.5

3rd and 7 Jarvis beats Bell on the outside rush, but Heyward gets the hit on the throw. .5



5th Drive (3rd Q 15:00 to 13:33):

1st and 10 Panthers run a counter to the right out of the Strong I. Jarvis is absolutely stuck by the FB and the defense gives up a big run. -1

1st and 10 Panthers run a stretch to the left. Jarvis gives up his outside shoulder and is ridden inside by the TE. Heyward is held elsewhere. -1

1st and 20 Jones stalemates with the LT. Illegal contact penalty on Cortez. 0

1st and 10 Jarvis steps back into contain as Tolbert cuts the handoff to the right. Holding elsewhere. 0*

1st and 20 Jarvis gets a bit of pressure, forcing Cam to step up, where Heyward was also applying pressure. .5

2nd and 15 Steelers rush 3. Jarvis is doubled and Keisel gets pressure on the opposite side. 0

3rd and 15 Jarvis powers inside, forcing the sack-fumble and a turnover. 1


-1 Cov
0 Contain*
0 Pass Rush*
0 Cov*
-1 Cov
-.5 Run
0 Cov*
.5 Pass Rush

0 Contain*
.5 Cov
0 Pass Rush

0 Run
0 Cov*
0 Cov*
0 Contain*

-.5 Cov
-.5 Cov
.5 Pass Rush
0 Pass Rush*
-.5 Pass Rush
.5 Pass Rush
1 Pass Rush
0 Pass Rush*
-.5 Pass Rush
.5 Pass Rush

-1 Run
-1 Run
0 Pass Rush
0 Contain*
.5 Pass Rush
0 Pass Rush
1 Pass Rush


* = Play that Jarvis had no shot at due to play design/outcome


Total:

Coverage -2.5, 9 Plays, -.277 / Play
Pass Rush 3.5, 15 Plays, .233 / Play
Run defense -2.5, 4 Plays, -.625 / Play
Contain 0, 4 Plays

Overall -1.5, 32 Plays, -.0469 / Play


Adjusted (minus * plays):

Coverage -2.5, 5 Plays, -.5 / Play
Pass Rush 3.5, 12 Plays, .292 / Play
Run defense -2.5, 4 Plays, -.625 / Play
Contain 0, 4 Plays

Overall -1.5, 21 Plays, -.0714 / Play


PFF's evaluation:

 

[Superman]

oh, good. The Jardong Report.

 

[scstillerfan]

So what you're saying is Timmons sucks?

 

[Steelers1356]

PFF, didn't they give Casey Hampton bad grades for not getting sacks when he was double teamed?

 

[antdrewjosh]

I still go over and read Still Mills game reports. They amuse me. He would fit right in over here lol

 

[Black & Gold Bleeder]

oh, good. The Jardong Report.

rofl,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Idioteque]

Another dipshit trying to analyze the team. Typical.

Jarvis got a sack. Period. The nerve, to break down his overall performance.

 

[Hines57]

Who pays you to analyze players? We'll all just wait for it...

 

[Idioteque]

And what makes you think you can evaluate a player with NO quotes from his college coaches and NOT ONE quote from Tomlin's press conferences? This is just total garbage.

Sheesh! Behind the Steel Curtain wrote a piece that said Jarvis was maybe good and could maybe be OK someday maybe. I think I'll stick with their analysis, thanks.

 

[SteelBuckeye]

You paid $26.99 for a year of that drivel from PFF? Wow!!

Thanks for the time and effort you put into your evaluation.

 

[TAS]

The folks talking **** should be providing their analysis for comparison or shutting the **** up.

 

[ark steel]

I have a problem with a grading scale which gives you a 0 when you do your job the way it is supposed to be done, then uses the zero in the averaging/analysis. Doesn't seem right to throw out the plays either, if the player did his job. Let's look at these two:

2nd and 7 Jarvis lines up over Brown, the slot receiver, and drops back. Qucik throw to Olsen (TE) over the middle. 0

3rd and 1 Jarvis jams the #2 TE at the line, Cam playfakes and rolls to the right. Incomplete. 0

Keep in mind that I haven't rewatched the plays, yet. I may not, but that doesn't have much to do with the questions.

In the first one, does he have decent coverage on the slot receiver? And, by decent, I mean what you would expect a LB to have on a WR (or was it a RB?) If yes, it should not be a zero, it should be positive. If the coverage was terrible, it should not be a zero, it should be negative.

In the second one, you say he jams the TE, which sounds like it must have been a successful jam since you didn't say "attempts to jam". Correct me if that is not the case. If it was a successful jam and/or he had decent coverage on the TE after the jam, it should not be a zero. If he failed at the jam, but was able to get back into coverage, maybe a zero, but it may be hard to determine if that coverage had anything to do with the incompletion. If his guy isn't open because he has coverage on him and Cam has to throw it somewhere else, why would Jones get a zero? If his guy isn't open because someone else has coverage and that coverage was, partially, due to the jam, why would Jones get a zero? If the jam failed and the guy was open, for whatever reason, why would Jones get a zero? More subjective, though.

On the other side of the coin:

1st and 10 Jones is chipped by the TE and then makes contact with the LT as ball is thrown. 0

1st and 10 Jarvis attacks the LT with his inside shoulder, setting the edge, but being ridden out. Stewart runs inside and is met my Timmons/Keisel. 0

0 seems a generous grade, but I guess it depends on what you mean by "makes contact". If the pass was thrown so quickly, zero may be OK or you might throw the play out. With a some of the quick throws in today's game it may be hard to determine any kind of grade for a particular player. For instance, if we throw a bubble screen to Brown who is tackled immediately, the whole play may only take a couple of seconds. How would you grade the LB or DB on the other side of the field? I certainly wouldn't give the player a grade of 0 and use it in a average.

For the second play "being ridden out" sounds like he was losing the 1v1 and should be a -0.5. If his presence in the area had anything to do with Stewart having to make a cut into the Timmons/Keisel tackle maybe that -0.5 might be upped to a 0, but that seems unlikely.

 

[Idioteque]

Ark is right; the neutral plays should be marked neutral and thrown out if they're indeed neutral, e.g. he did his job but the play was nowhere near him.

Otherwise, great effort.

 

[FordFairLane]

Hate to say it but I don't think JJ gets his starting job back once he is healthy. Actually, I think he might end up on IR for the entire season if Harrison has any gas in the tank and Moats does what I think Moats will do. I think Moats will be a pretty decent pass rusher and will play the run better. Just my opinion.

Just looked it up and Moats is only 26 (turn 27 next March) so he is young enough to be our guy for 4-6 years. Hell, Jarvis Jones will be 25 in October!

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Hate to say it but I don't think JJ gets his starting job back once he is healthy. Actually, I think he might end up on IR for the entire season if Harrison has any gas in the tank and Moats does what I think Moats will do. I think Moats will be a pretty decent pass rusher and will play the run better. Just my opinion.

Just looked it up and Moats is only 26 (turn 27 next March) so he is young enough to be our guy for 4-6 years. Hell, Jarvis Jones will be 25 in October!

I think Moats gets Worilds' contract if he shows anything. What I don't get is the absolute hate for JJ while Mr. $9 Mil hasn't shown crap to say he deserves the money he's getting. Jones' 2 sacks and 14 tackles are evidence that he's not getting the job done, but Worilds' 1 sack from the easier side and 9 tackles are above reproach. Heck, If you're gonna pay one of them to continue developing, pay the one on the rookie wage scale contract rather than throwing upwards of $9 Mil at Worilds next year.

 

[Harry_BZAC]

Hate to say it but I don't think JJ gets his starting job back once he is healthy. Actually, I think he might end up on IR for the entire season if Harrison has any gas in the tank and Moats does what I think Moats will do. I think Moats will be a pretty decent pass rusher and will play the run better. Just my opinion.

Just looked it up and Moats is only 26 (turn 27 next March) so he is young enough to be our guy for 4-6 years. Hell, Jarvis Jones will be 25 in October!

Unfortunately I think you're right. Of course we'll let his contract run out and never get anything in return.

 

[Idioteque]

I think Moats gets Worilds' contract if he shows anything. What I don't get is the absolute hate for JJ while Mr. $9 Mil hasn't shown crap to say he deserves the money he's getting. Jones' 2 sacks and 14 tackles are evidence that he's not getting the job done, but Worilds' 1 sack from the easier side and 9 tackles are above reproach. Heck, If you're gonna pay one of them to continue developing, pay the one on the rookie wage scale contract rather than throwing upwards of $9 Mil at Worilds next year.

Can't we say that they both suck?

 

[SteelBuckeye]

Can't we say that they both suck?

Ok, that got a chuckle.

 

[FordFairLane]

I think Moats gets Worilds' contract if he shows anything. What I don't get is the absolute hate for JJ while Mr. $9 Mil hasn't shown crap to say he deserves the money he's getting. Jones' 2 sacks and 14 tackles are evidence that he's not getting the job done, but Worilds' 1 sack from the easier side and 9 tackles are above reproach. Heck, If you're gonna pay one of them to continue developing, pay the one on the rookie wage scale contract rather than throwing upwards of $9 Mil at Worilds next year.

No, I agree Jones has outperformed Worilds at this point and I would much rather have Moats and JJ as starting OLB's next year. Let someone break the bank on Worilds and give us our 2016 3rd round comp pick.

 

[FordFairLane]

Unfortunately I think you're right. Of course we'll let his contract run out and never get anything in return.

This is how I think it plays out. Worilds turns it up in December and has a 5 sack month but only 2-3 before that. We let him go via FA and some other team overpays him. We sign Moats to a 5 year 25 million dollar deal and we go into the offseason as Moats and JJ starting OLB's. In the draft we use a 2-4 on a OLB to develop behind JJ and Moats and that gives the team another year to see what JJ has and what a draft pick can do behind him. If JJ goes crazy next year we use the club option if not we have insurance with the draft pick.

 

[Vader]

Jones should get more of a break because he is only starting his 2nd year. Worilds has played a ton and was touted as someone the org. couldn't possible let go because of his great 8 games last year. They are paying him almost $10 million bucks this year.

 

[ark steel]

Ark is right; the neutral plays should be marked neutral and thrown out if they're indeed neutral, e.g. he did his job but the play was nowhere near him.

Otherwise, great effort.

Well, I can't say they should be thrown out wholesale. Some (maybe most), because I doubt every play could be determined whether he 'did his job' or not. When you are grading subjectively, you have to draw the line somewhere. Different people would draw it different places on some plays.

The defender being in coverage and the pass being thrown elsewhere is a good example. If the coverage was bad, it shouldn't be thrown out as neutral. If the coverage was good, the subjective call is whether that coverage had any effect on the play. The pass could go for 80 yards on the other side of the field, but it was because the defender had coverage on the main target and another target was able to get open. Not this defender's fault and he did his job correctly.

Hard to throw that out, but maybe just has hard to determine that the coverage is what made the QB hold the ball a bit longer allowing the other player to get open.

 

[Troglodyte]

You must have a LOT of free time on your hands!

 

[Stryker]

2nd and 9 Jones tries to cross inside of the TE and LT and is stonewalled. Cam rolls left, chased by Keisel. -.5

I appreciate your effort and it looks like you put a lot of work into it. Thanks for that. On this play however, I'd like clarification.

If he's crossing inside a TE and LT and is stonewalled, is he being double teamed? Did the TE release into a pattern? If not I believe occupying 2 blockers and stopping an eligible receiver from releasing, is a positive play.

No, I agree Jones has outperformed Worilds at this point and I would much rather have Moats and JJ as starting OLB's next year. Let someone break the bank on Worilds and give us our 2016 3rd round comp pick.

Only if we use that pick on a scat back...

 

[Steelerfan]

You must have a LOT of free time on your hands!

That's what I was thinking. Also sort of creepy in a stalking way, in some respects.