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Steelers trade for Justin Fields

plenty of premium QBs arent taken in the top ten... Most of tge Hof types recently werent... Rodgers, Brees, Brady, even Russel wilson has a shot and he was a 3rd rounder... Ben went 11th, which was close to the top ten, but not in it...

and a plethora of top ten qbs are busts or less than stars... even the record of the top overall qbs is pretty ******... its a crapshoot...
 
Here is a realistic view of the Steelers roster.
Running backs: good to very good.
Oline: No center, left tackle experienced but bottom 1/4 of league. Good to very good guards who should be better. Possible franchise Tackle. Paper thin.
Receivers: one legit starter as of now.
Defensive line: possible stud at nose. Aging tackle they have to hide money on. Rest underachieving.
Edge: Top three group in league.
Off ball linebackers: should be very good. Haven't shown it together but I'm super confident. The front seven of the defense is probably SB contending quality.
Secondary: one stud at corner. One aging stud who was hurt and usually plays out of what makes him a stud ( may change with addition of Queen) other safety can't breathe on a guy or he is suspended. Right now they have 4 guys I'd put on the field and some packages require 6.
Brings me to QB. Wilson was brought in to be final piece in Denver. He was far from it. He played better last year but if you don't win 10 you are no where near AFC championship level play. Back up is intriguing but if he plays its because of injury or similar start to last year.
This is a 9- 11 win team that if they make playoffs will be on road in big boys house. And that's if a lot of stuff falls into place. The "experts" will have a mix of 3rd and 4th in the division.
 
Poobah said:
Brett Favre, Dan Fouts, Sonny Jergensen, Joe Montana, Warren Moon, Ken Stabler, Bart Starr, Roger Staubach, Fran Tarkington, Johnny U, Kurt Warner, and Tom Brady all tip their HoF beers at you (yea, i know TB doesn't have his quite yet; he will). Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russel, Todd Blackledge, Joey Harrington, Tim Couch, JP Loseman, Rick Meyer, Matt Leinart, David Klingler, Akili Smith, Heath Shueler, Andre Ware, and Cade Mcnown all scatter for the doors. (just to name a few).

Yea, I am having some fun with you but in all seriousness its a crap shoot. Look at 2021 - of Trevor, Zach, Trey, Justin and Mac only one is still with his original team just 3 years later (and I would certainly not give Trevor an A for his play so far). Then look at 2020 - Joe B, Tua, Justin, Jordan and Jalen have all come into their own. Moreover, so much depends on the team as the player drafted. there is a reason those teams picked high and the jump from college to the NFL is enormous.

BTW: A bit of a nit, but Big Ben was drafted 11th.
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All good, I like the debate.

Most of that list you have are from a bygone era of football, not particularly relevant to todays game, I know Mahomes tips his hat as a middle first pick, touche

That doesn’t mean you stop trying to find your next franchise guy tho, can’t live your fears to coin a cliche

We have Lombardis with two franchise quarterbacks, Wilson at 36 off two cuts from the Seahawks an Broncos and Fields aint those guys, we’re just setting up for more treading water and losing more wild card games
 
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SteelerSask2 said:
Here is a realistic view of the Steelers roster.
Running backs: good to very good.
Oline: No center, left tackle experienced but bottom 1/4 of league. Good to very good guards who should be better. Possible franchise Tackle. Paper thin.
Receivers: one legit starter as of now.
Defensive line: possible stud at nose. Aging tackle they have to hide money on. Rest underachieving.
Edge: Top three group in league.
Off ball linebackers: should be very good. Haven't shown it together but I'm super confident. The front seven of the defense is probably SB contending quality.
Secondary: one stud at corner. One aging stud who was hurt and usually plays out of what makes him a stud ( may change with addition of Queen) other safety can't breathe on a guy or he is suspended. Right now they have 4 guys I'd put on the field and some packages require 6.
Brings me to QB. Wilson was brought in to be final piece in Denver. He was far from it. He played better last year but if you don't win 10 you are no where near AFC championship level play. Back up is intriguing but if he plays its because of injury or similar start to last year.
This is a 9- 11 win team that if they make playoffs will be on road in big boys house. And that's if a lot of stuff falls into place. The "experts" will have a mix of 3rd and 4th in the division.
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QBs
They actually have starting capable QBs now, but also a boom or bust group. A clear talent upgrade, but also potential for trouble with turnovers. Honestly, I'm fine with that type of group. The good is they have a guy who can win a playoff game. The downside is they stink this year and the Steelers are in position next year to draft a QB.

RBs
Good, they could use a No. 3

WRs
This group stinks right now. The only solidified starter is talented, yet inconsistent. Is there a worse group in the NFL right now? I don't know, but the Steelers are very low on talent.

TEs
Deep, but underwhelming last year.

OL
Gaping hole at center. One of the worst left tackles in the league and the guy who should be playing LT is on the right side.

DL
Solid group of starters, need to improve depth and Cam to stay healthy.

EDGE
Excellent at both starting spots and capable depth.

ILB
Good with the signing of Queen. Roberts is a good fit with him and we'll see if Holcomb can come back from his injury. I'd still add another piece for depth.

CBs
Decent. I really wanted a young stud to pair with Porter and given the first-round talent, the potential is there. I just don't know if the Steelers can invest here with huge holes at WR and C, plus Jackson can hold down that role. They still need a slot.

S
I think they are in better shape than last season, but could use more depth.
 
Avoid_Lloyd said:
All good, I like the debate.

Most of that list you have are from a bygone era of football, not particularly relevant to todays game, I know Mahomes tips his hat as a middle first pick, touche

That doesn’t mean you stop trying to find your next franchise guy tho, can’t live your fears to coin a cliche

We have Lombardis with two franchise quarterbacks, Wilson at 36 off two cuts from the Seahawks an Broncos and Fields aint those guys, we’re just setting up for more treading water and losing more wild card games
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of course the modern QB's that are still playing or recently retired are not quite eligble for HoF status either. But I hear ya. The point remains that no matter what era you look at the QB thing is a crapshoot which is why I also added a couple of recent draft classes.

Yes, you keep looking for the next Franchise guy. don't disagree with that. The question for me is at what cost. Moving up to top 10 or more is very expensive.
 
Just looking at last year's fantasy scoring in my league, Justin is way better than Kenny, and maybe not as consistent as Russell. but with more upside. If Kenny had thrown a few TD passes to himself, his numbers would probably look better, but he's not that guy.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
Brings me to QB. Wilson was brought in to be final piece in Denver. He was far from it. He played better last year but if you don't win 10 you are no where near AFC championship level play.
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Not sure what you're talking about. Russell Wilson was brought in to be the "final piece" in Denver? Umm, the year before Russ came in, the Broncos finished 7-10 after losing their last four games, and fired their head coach.
 
From last year to this year significant improvement in QBs.

Yes Russell Wilson is not young but if we get 2 years out of him it's worth it.

Justin Fields is a work in progress BUT he had how many starts in his career @39?

Last year we had Kenny Pickett who was never really hot and in the end injured. We had Mitch who was at BEST luke warm and we had Mason Rudolph who exceeded expectations.

Happy that Kenny gets to play for his childhood team the Eagles.

Happy that Mason is a backup in Titan land.

We will have to pick up a third QB but both Wilson AND Fields have plenty of starts under their belt.

The NFL has changed, no longer do teams really build for the future. You get the best players available for the next year and roll the dice.

Can anyone say we would have been better keeping Kenny, Mitch & Mason for another year than what we did getting Russell and Justin?
 
topseed said:
Not sure what you're talking about. Russell Wilson was brought in to be the "final piece" in Denver? Umm, the year before Russ came in, the Broncos finished 7-10 after losing their last four games, and fired their head coach.
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You do not trade what tge Broncos did for Wilson because yiu feel you are in a rebuild and 4 years away. You make that trade because you think you are otherwise flush.
 
It's pretty much a given our first 2 picks have to be WR and C. Our WR group has a huge hole in it for a WR1 and WR2. We need a stud C who can be the anchor of the line for the next decade. DL and OT should be the next 2 picks.
 
SteelerSask2 said:
You do not trade what tge Broncos did for Wilson because yiu feel you are in a rebuild and 4 years away. You make that trade because you think you are otherwise flush.
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Then Denver obviously thought wrong. Wilson is coming into a much different situation in Pittsburgh. Not saying that the Steelers are a Super Bowl contender at this point, but the defense is going to look a lot better with a good ball-control OC running offense through a competent veteran QB -- the D will be a lot fresher when they're on the field. The front office has already improved the roster on both sides of the ball through free agency. If they follow it up with a strong draft, and fill the holes at OL and WR, I think it's going to be a very entertaining 2024 season.
 
Truth is no one knows how all of this will pan out. But as Steeler fans we should all be hoping for a result that get’s us some playoff wins and maybe a SB in the near future. To act like you know how either QB is going to play is just crazy. I’m hoping for the best. At least it’s not another boring offseason where we do nothing to try and improve.
 
Troglodyte said:
Ironically, if the Steelers have to compete to resign Wilson, Fields or both in 2025 it will likely be because they had much success with them in 2024. If that’s a **** show, I’ll accept it for a year.
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Depends really. If we win 9 or 10 games and make the playoffs to be bounced out in round one you still want to pay Wilson or Fields the going qb rate? Seems we can get that type of production from any qb. Or our you talking about we make the playoffs with 9 plus wins and make a deep run in the playoffs? I don't see us as improving any from these moves we made with at the qb position. Every qb involved has/had issues. Time will tell though.
 
NameGP0-199 yard games200+ yard games0 TD games1 TD games2 TD games3 or more TD games0-19 Points20+ Points
Kenny Pickett2515101311101411
Justin Fields4027131319531921

Fields passing totals his first two years weren't particularly good, but this past year he threw for 200+ yards in 7 of 13 games, which was progress. His sack totals are terrible, but I feel that can be fixed with coaching and scheme (pocket presence cannot be coached).

Turnovers are another issue. Pickett has a 1.8 INT % compared to 3.1% for Fields and of course there's the fumbles as well. Pickett also leads in 4th quarter comebacks 6-2.

Fields blows Pickett away on the ground, with over 2,200 yards and 14 TDs compared to under 300 and 4 TD.

Fields showed moderate improvement over three years though he wasn't quite as efficient throwing the ball in 2023 while Pickett regressed.

Fields will have the chance to learn the system behind Wilson and maybe start in 2025 if Wilson isn't the answer. The tools are there, but he's going to have to make a big leap and has flashed in games. You wonder with a better defense, if Fields can adjust his style enough to be a top 15 QB in the league.
 
stillwright said:
Depends really. If we win 9 or 10 games and make the playoffs to be bounced out in round one you still want to pay Wilson or Fields the going qb rate? Seems we can get that type of production from any qb. Or our you talking about we make the playoffs with 9 plus wins and make a deep run in the playoffs? I don't see us as improving any from these moves we made with at the qb position. Every qb involved has/had issues. Time will tell though.
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I never understood judging QBs by wins and losses. Football is the ultimate team sport. Teams can lose despite great QB play. Dan Marino didn’t win any championships and had his share of losses with Miami but there’s no denying he was one of the greatest QBs of all time.

I don’t know how you can objectively look at Wilson’s past 25 starts vs Pickett’s and not think there’s a likely improvement.
 
Black & Gold Bleeder said:
448, any chance they bring in tannehill too? or more likely a late rd rookie or camp special.?
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IMO, Tannehill is washed. Plus, with Wilson and Fields, you have to completely change your offensive approach with Tannehill. I think a Day 3 QB is the way to go. His name has been tossed around, but a guy like Jordan Travis will fall coming off that leg injury.
 
SteelerFan448 said:
IMO, Tannehill is washed. Plus, with Wilson and Fields, you have to completely change your offensive approach with Tannehill. I think a Day 3 QB is the way to go. His name has been tossed around, but a guy like Jordan Travis will fall coming off that leg injury.
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I‘m Thinking Travis makes a good recovery and becomes a very good QB. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings if he donned the B & G, yes I said G-O-L-D,……… not yellow.



Salute the nation
 
Troglodyte said:
I never understood judging QBs by wins and losses. Football is the ultimate team sport. Teams can lose despite great QB play. Dan Marino didn’t win any championships and had his share of losses with Miami but there’s no denying he was one of the greatest QBs of all time.

I don’t know how you can objectively look at Wilson’s past 25 starts vs Pickett’s and not think there’s a likely improvement.
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Marino won plenty of games regular season and playoffs. Lost his only time in the big show. Had tons of stats to go with it also. Not really a good example in my opinion to your point....


All of that though was not my point. If this season we do what we have been doing the last few seasons.....win 9 or 10 games and squeak into the playoff(or not) and then get blown out in our playoff game......do you really want to sign Wilson or Fields lond term for $$$$ when we can probably simply plug anyone in there to get those results.
 
diver said:
Who knows? The Steelers are kinda like that real hot girlfriend who lies to you but you believe the lies (not autobiographical, I never had the wallet to get the real hot girlfriend).

I'll believe the lies and see what happens. I'm too old to be over bothered if they truly turn out to be lies.
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Maybe a simple name adjustment may have helped you out Diver ........... muff- diver .............lol
 
stillwright said:
Marino won plenty of games regular season and playoffs. Lost his only time in the big show. Had tons of stats to go with it also. Not really a good example in my opinion to your point....
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You might want to check your facts. Marino won 11 or more games in only 4 of his 17 seasons. The other years were mostly .500ish.
stillwright said:
All of that though was not my point. If this season we do what we have been doing the last few seasons.....win 9 or 10 games and squeak into the playoff(or not) and then get blown out in our playoff game......do you really want to sign Wilson or Fields lond term for $$$$ when we can probably simply plug anyone in there to get those results.
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If they aren’t the reason for the 7 or 8 losses, YES! I’ll take a very good player at any position, especially the most important one.
 
Djfan said:
Some people expect that on a message board, they will post something, changing everybody's mind to agree with them because, well, they are right.
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Being right about something pertaining to football does nothing for me. I couldn't care less if I'm right or wrong. It's strictly for entertainment.
But for some being right means everything to them.
 
Ironcitysteelers said:
All this means is we are stuck with MT for many more years.
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Couldn't you have the exact opposite read....no extension yet for MT, DangeRuss on a 1 year deal, new OC, down a WR1/2.......is this not Art the Dookie actually saying "make something happen in the playoffs, or more changes will come this season"? What if the Steelers offered MT a contingent deal? Maybe his extension is contingent on the team's success this year, with a stellar D (well, its paid like one) just needing a competent O.
 
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