Why is Matt Canada employed?

[Drink IRON City]

Let's just see how things transpire. That first game is just never a big indicator on the trend. Although Canada's last seasons body of work is uninspiring. Grab some popcorn and bite your fingernails. Sunday approaches quickly.

I'm all for patience but sometimes I just have to vent out things (sometimes i get bitten).

I'm all for improvement and the chance to do so but also stern on the signs as well. I hope like hell this offense starts to perform better and better to the degree of even wanting KP to start and actually beat my beloved BEN ROELISBERGERS rookie start win record............... but I'm a wait and see sort of person.


Salute the nation

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I’m with ya DIC
I’m usually a wait and see guy and bought into how the Steelers have done things in the past in regards to bringing along rooks slowly

BUT

Another week like last one and I’m jumping in… throw KP into this mess of an offensive coaching/OL situation and see if he can be the variable to shake things up…maybe he’s just young and dumb enough to overcome the ineptitude at the top

I felt sooo bad for the D that played their ***** off and also super proud of them that somehow they didn’t cave in even after time and time again the offense gave them zero rest and zero hope to continue dominating that game.

 

[livingthrudying]

No one should be supporting Canada. He sucked last year, period. He is the guy that completely removed the no-huddle/hurry-up offense to start the season. They had to start adding pieces back in because Ben was doing it on the field and bringing us back to win games. Without Ben last year, we are lucky to win 5 games. He brought us back in something like 7+ and his teammates said he was drawing plays up on the field. Canada should still be on the shortest of short leashes this year.

Was he really to blame for the no huddle? We as fans have been discussing this for what seems like a decade now. Pretty sure Matt Canada wasn't here then. Pretty sure we have been through a few OC's since then and this has always been a issue. So who has been the constant during all that time? Honestly Canada may be great he may be terrible, but who is really to blame when you make someone a OC who's entire offense revolves around everything your aging future HOF QB us not capable of doing. Last year was a Crap show for a lot of reasons and i honestly believe that Canada was the smallest part of that problem. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying he is a great OC, just that there are way bigger problems of why things are fubar than Canada. These are issues we have been seeing for way longer than Matt Canada has been here.

 

[pittbull]

See, this is the bull **** that I can't stand. Canada looks like a joke because Mike T can't keep his hands out of things. We speculated he was doing that on the defense, and it turned out to be true. It's no secret that I'm a fan of Canada's work and I've followed him for years. The dude is a genius and none of what his calls and play designs have made sense. I've seen the man orchestrate drives that are absolute brilliance. D coordinators making adjustments and Canada anticipated those adjustments and just exploits the D horribly. Now, it's runs up the middle and end arounds and limited route trees.

I don’t post often enough to know who on this board likes, dislikes, or hates particular players or coaches; but this is certainly the most passioned defense of Canada I’ve seen. I’m encouraged by your enthusiasm. The team really does have superstar potential with Johnson, Claypool, Pickens, Friermuth, Harris…the line showed some improvement, so Trubisky and Canada are the wildcards. Trubisky has yet to look bad. Hopefully the playbook expands quickly.

 

[Confluence]

maybe we'll get lucky and the South Dakota Technical University of Agriculture and Crypto Bull Ballers will need a HC and they will hire Canada away in mideseason, like the OL coach last year?

 

[black and gold apex]

We seem to be slamming Mitch all week. Tomlin presser said game plan was to stop possibilities of turnovers, thus an offense was not aggressive. Mitch did not call on first and three inside the five two ruining plays up the middle when we had not gained anything from a running back. Canada called these plays not Mitch, Tomlin at his best covered up Canada questionable calls. Canada fell in love with the receiver end round and Claypole had the most yardage. WE finally threw a TE screen (the best screen in five years). Never called again. I know the line is weak and it showed so maybe we were not able to throw across the middle, but we witnessed none of these plays tried by Canada. Canada had all last year and to me we are seeing the same bland offense. When does he turn his paly call sheet over and use TE's more use the receiver's strength we have plenty of talent here. AS I watched Sunday, I can't remember seeing one play called where Mitch seemed to change the play. Is he handcuffed like Ben seemed to be till we got behind then the play book was finally opened up to the second page. Something just does not fit the eye test with Canada and this NEW offense. Blaming Mitch seems to be as last year with Ben, maybe the balme is in the coaching.

 

[wig]

Lets wait until next week… we always do that bullshit hide the real playbook **** before the Pats games and other marquis games… its why we have those horrible trap game losses… i could see us prioritizing the pats over the division rival Bengals

That wasn't it.
The Bengals won the division last year. They weren't holding back. They just have nothing in the bag.

 

[madinsomniac]

That wasn't it.
The Bengals won the division last year. They weren't holding back. They just have nothing in the bag.

Then how do you explain the absolutly different plays in the preseason… not results, the plays themselves were more aggressive… not just short pocket bound passes and inside runs on obvious downs…

Im convinced at this point that Tomlin wants vanilla safe offense in certain games. He plays scared of turnovers

 

[wig]

Canada is quite possibly the worst offensive coordinator I’ve ever seen.

Randy tips his beer to you.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Then how do you explain the absolutly different plays in the preseason… not results, the plays themselves were more aggressive… not just short pocket bound passes and inside runs on obvious downs…

Im convinced at this point that Tomlin wants vanilla safe offense in certain games. He plays scared of turnovers

I can think of 2 explanations for the preseason difference:

1) The games don’t count so they figured let’s try something totally crazy, just to see if it could work
2) They we’re using the preseason to setup the Bungles like we’d actually throw down field or inside the hash marks

This very timid philosophy on offense reminds me of my first couple years as a pro poker player. I had some great skills (quick math, percentages and reading people). Similar to our roster construct…some great skill players.
But I was super conservative in my play (similar to recent past coaching) and would only win $100-300 every session.
Years later I learned my weakness and adapted my game to take some chances (trust my reads and gamble on them being correct) and to become less predictable (predictability being my flaw) and while I would sometimes have losing sessions in this style my wins were in the $500-3000 range. At the end of a month the difference between being safe and winning $3000/month vs taking chances $6-9k/month.

Tomlin is me in my first years he’ll always get ya that winning season/month but not the big wins because of playing safe and predictability. My two cents

Take some chances, it’s ok to take calculated chances and go for the big win rather than just being consistent B level in your craft. A/B/A/D/B feels a lot better than B/B/B/B/B

 

[Badcat]

I saw him for 3 years at LSU and I've never seen any genius. A lot of ineptitude, but never any genius. He is awful.

3 Years huh?

LSU[edit]​

On December 14, 2016, Canada was hired to become the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at LSU.[8] He held those positions for the 2017 season and on January 5, 2018, LSU and Canada mutually agreed to part ways.[9]

 

[TDX27]

Was he really to blame for the no huddle? We as fans have been discussing this for what seems like a decade now. Pretty sure Matt Canada wasn't here then. Pretty sure we have been through a few OC's since then and this has always been a issue. So who has been the constant during all that time? Honestly Canada may be great he may be terrible, but who is really to blame when you make someone a OC who's entire offense revolves around everything your aging future HOF QB us not capable of doing. Last year was a Crap show for a lot of reasons and i honestly believe that Canada was the smallest part of that problem. Now don't get me wrong I'm not saying he is a great OC, just that there are way bigger problems of why things are fubar than Canada. These are issues we have been seeing for way longer than Matt Canada has been here.

Of course, he was to blame. He removed it from the playbook and then they had to add it back in. That was one of the dumbest things any NFL OC could have done. The O-line was bad but Canada was absolutely the worst part of the O last year and he should have been fired. Ben was blamed for everything but in reality, Ben saved Canada's *** and carried the team as far as they got in spite of Canada. On 3rd or 4th down and you call a play where you throw the ball 5 yards behind the LOS and hope something happens is asinine and that was what Canaduh was calling. He was horrible. The first game this year overall was terrible but we'll give him a pass because Tomlin said they were playing conservative. We'll see how things go the rest of the year. This O should be able to put up 20+ a game easily even with the bad O-line.

 

[NYSteel]

Canada is quite possibly the worst offensive coordinator I’ve ever seen.

He's bad.... But not quite Ray Sherman bad. Gilbride was horrendous too.

In my opinion, we haven't had a really good OC since Erhardt or Gailey.

 

[Drink IRON City]

Of course, he was to blame. He removed it from the playbook and then they had to add it back in. That was one of the dumbest things any NFL OC could have done. The O-line was bad but Canada was absolutely the worst part of the O last year and he should have been fired. Ben was blamed for everything but in reality, Ben saved Canada's *** and carried the team as far as they got in spite of Canada. On 3rd or 4th down and you call a play where you throw the ball 5 yards behind the LOS and hope something happens is asinine and that was what Canaduh was calling. He was horrible. The first game this year overall was terrible but we'll give him a pass because Tomlin said they were playing conservative. We'll see how things go the rest of the year. This O should be able to put up 20+ a game easily even with the bad O-line.

Don't forget that last season for the first 3-4 games they didn't even have audibles. O'Canada claimed it was to complicated for the OL to know how to block if an AUDIBLE was called, let that sink in as well.

Obviously it's a wait and see but the excuses are being built in as they play. C'mon..... the most current is new OL blocking technique. Unreal. that's what off-season is for to instill technique, not regular season games. If that scheme wasn't second nature to the OL before start of season then it's crap........... including coaching of it. These players aren't dumb or incapable unless they are being asked to do something totally illogical or fully change from a lifetime of what OL do and that is block. If they don't have the right guys for this "scheme" then why weren't the right ones drafted ???


Salute the nation

 

[topseed]

3 Years huh?
On December 14, 2016, Canada was hired to become the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at LSU.[8] He held those positions for the 2017 season and on January 5, 2018, LSU and Canada mutually agreed to part ways.[9]

Yeah, 18 days in 2016, 365 days in 2017, and 5 days in 2018. That's 3 years!

It's similar to (but worse than) people insisting that the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in 6 years, when it's really 5.

 

[livingthrudying]

Pittbull, See my post above yours.

Of course, he was to blame. He removed it from the playbook and then they had to add it back in. That was one of the dumbest things any NFL OC could have done. The O-line was bad but Canada was absolutely the worst part of the O last year and he should have been fired. Ben was blamed for everything but in reality, Ben saved Canada's *** and carried the team as far as they got in spite of Canada. On 3rd or 4th down and you call a play where you throw the ball 5 yards behind the LOS and hope something happens is asinine and that was what Canaduh was calling. He was horrible. The first game this year overall was terrible but we'll give him a pass because Tomlin said they were playing conservative. We'll see how things go the rest of the year. This O should be able to put up 20+ a game easily even with the bad O-line.

I am not saying Canada is great or even good. What I am asking is how much of this is truly him and how much is Tomlin? The reason I ask is cause we see alot of the same problems that have plagued this offense for a while and the was before Canada was even an employee here. This bears the stamp of the head coach way more than the OC. Either Tomlin is influencing this ALOT or he's too dumb to hire someone that won't do the same things, either way I'm looking more at the Head coach now than the OC for these problems.

 

[TDX27]

I think Tomlin is more involved (and always has been) with the D than the O. This O is on Canaduh. Back to the no-huddle issue. Anyone notice they actually used it early in the Bungholes game? Shocking to see but at least he did learn (or was told) from last year.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

3 Years huh?

LSU[edit]​

On December 14, 2016, Canada was hired to become the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at LSU.[8] He held those positions for the 2017 season and on January 5, 2018, LSU and Canada mutually agreed to part ways.[9]

I knew something smelled fishy

Canada lasting more than 2 years somewhere???

Ludicrous

We can only pray this is his farewell tour then

 

[FordFairLane]

Canada, Butler, Fichtner, Haley, LeBeau, Arians... always their fault. Right guys?

 

[xjx]

If only Tomlin didn't need those pesky assistants.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I think Tomlin is more involved (and always has been) with the D than the O. This O is on Canaduh. Back to the no-huddle issue. Anyone notice they actually used it early in the Bungholes game? Shocking to see but at least he did learn (or was told) from last year.

he just wanted to call all 5 no huddle plays he had asap so the opponent would know he’s outta bullets in the gun and would be operating with a knife at the gun fight

Sadly couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn from point blank range either

 

[Fiji Mariner]

Was Canada’s “then throw it over the middle” recent comment in regards to the Bengal game meant to throw Mitch or Tomlin under the bus?

It seems if you drew up a certain route combination you could make the primary receiver designed to get open be a target over the middle if ya truly wanted to exploit that part of the field…not like that has never been done before.

A lot of disconnect going on with the offensive side of the ball to say the least. We need to start turning some of these square pegs to round pegs someday.

 

[Drink IRON City]

I think Tomlin is more involved (and always has been) with the D than the O. This O is on Canaduh. Back to the no-huddle issue. Anyone notice they actually used it early in the Bungholes game? Shocking to see but at least he did learn (or was told) from last year.

Supposedly Coach Tomlin has backed off the "D" due to the new hires. I think he has had a small hand in the "O" but with time on his hands now,...... I think he has to much regardless of hand size, involved in the O. Either to much on sunday or to much in prepared-ness for sunday.

Make no mistake that O'Canada isn't some offensive GURU as he was brought in to be.

Salute the nation

 

[SojournerSteel]

Canada, Butler, Fichtner, Haley, LeBeau, Arians... always their fault. Right guys?

Did you see or hear in the presser where he talked about the "structural and environmental" conditions in the passing game and how they "functioned the way we function?"

I can't believe now I've been so hard on Canada. It always comes back to this mess at the top.

 

[Fiji Mariner]

I guess maybe bring in a guy like Munch (or insert name of any established coach) to be Senior Offensive Advisor so MT can get his bored hands out of the O then if Flores was enough to get him out of the D

Then he can keep to things like challenging spots on the first damn series the worst type of challenge…good lawd I’d love to see the league wide and MT specific success rate of spot challenges being overturned…just come up with some good press conference material and stay the hell
Outta everything else Shades