Oh just you wait! Elfie is fixing to put an internet beatdown on you that you won't soon forget! It will be twice as bad as that last one he gave you. You remember that one right? Wait for it, it's coming...
You were saying?
Oh just you wait! Elfie is fixing to put an internet beatdown on you that you won't soon forget! It will be twice as bad as that last one he gave you. You remember that one right? Wait for it, it's coming...
Pharaoh had multiple chances to fine tune his free will. He chose poorly. We all have choices, that IS free will. Just because you are given it doesn't mean it can be abused without consequence.
Sooooo.....free will has fine tuning? Are you being serious?
It seems to me that for god to harden your heart it would mean that god, being omniscient ,would have sensed that pharaoh's heart was softening. Sensing this ( and at this point pharaoh still has free will) god immediately snatches it away, because he's not going to let this putz get in the way of him showing off his magic.
He does this 3 times in a circular logic type situation. Pharaoh starts to give in, god senses it, hardens his heart, god punishes, pharaoh softens, god senses, hardens.....OH WAIT! I JUST REMEMBERED THE BIBLE IS BULLSHIT. Silly me I was applying a rational educated mind to this story full of plot holes. Pharaoh wanted to exercise his free will but god kept snatching it away, silly, silly me he should have " fine tuned" some more.
Free will means free will. Its not conditional, you either have it or you don't. Idiot.
Man you possess zero reading comprehension skills.
I can't even begin to describe in a way you could grasp what it is you lack.
See above though you might get a clue.
Meh, keep up........all the world's his/her *****. Don't feel bad Hamster.
The most stupendous beauty of Dolezal's recent cosmic melt down is that this thread is pointedly about stopping the comparisons between Christianity and Islam. Nothing more.
In psychotic style, Elfie delivers one of her/his classic "beat downs" about how Christianity isn't beautiful.
Another rage-filled, racist diatribe, this time about...nothing we are covering.
Aaaannndddd...thank you for playing.
Wow. Nazis were bad. Who knew.
Ooh! Look a gerbil!
Instead of denigrating Christianity (indeed "Look, a squirrel"), why don't you address the topic at hand in this thread? Do you see fundamental differences between Islam and Christianity, or are you one of the fools who lump them together, overlooking the obvious fundamental differences?
Instead of denigrating Christianity (indeed "Look, a squirrel"), why don't you address the topic at hand in this thread? Do you see fundamental differences between Islam and Christianity, or are you one of the fools who lump them together, overlooking the obvious fundamental differences?
You were saying?
You have really gone off the rails.
Yes, you have posted a lot of stuff that shows that Nazis tried to link Christianity with white supremacy. No one denies that.
What you have not done is show that they were mostly motivated by religious fervor, church teachings, church leadership or Biblical teaching.
Are you daft? Did you not read what I posted? Did you just look at the pictures?
Just from the examples in my earlier post: Again,,...Luther is the father of the Protestant movement, what does he think of the Jews?
Christ and his word can hardly be recognized because of the great vermin of human ordinances. However, let this suffice for the time being on their lies against doctrine or faith
No, one should toss out these lazy rogues by the seat of their pants.
...but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard, God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!-----Martin Luther
You can read the whole thing here if you are a seeker of truth(I.e. not CONservative)
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/Luther_on_Jews.html
Now what does Nazi leader Walter Buch think of Luther's ideas?
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Many people confess their amazement that Hitler preaches ideas which they have always held.... From the Middle Ages we can look to the same example in Martin Luther. What stirred in the soul and spirit of the German people of that time, finally found expression in his person, in his words and deeds.
-Walter Buch "Geist und Kampf" (speech), Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf, [cited from Richard Steigmann-Gall's The Holy Reich
What was it that Hitler"preaches" that Luther set the example for?
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them ---Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf
Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
Do you see it yet?
The church and church teachings set the template for what the Nazis did to the Jews. Remember the inquisition?The Catholic church was justified by the teachings of the church fathers and scripture in doing what they did.
“The Jews, who both killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God and are contrary to all men: forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins always: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.” (l Thessalonians 2.14-16)
“For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake ... wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.” (Titus 1.10-14)
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?* He is an antichrist, that denieth the father and the son.* Whoever denieth the son, the same hath not the father” (l John 2.22,23)
“I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan* ...” (Revelation 2.9,10)
What is the requirement to be a "real christian"
Right below:
Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
-Galatians 2:16
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Romans 3:26-28
That the nazis persecuted or killed Christians who got in their way is irrelevant.
American Christians kill other Christians EVERY DAY in the good ol ' USA. They don't stop being christian when they do. Do you not understand the core of Pauline Christianity? Saved by faith? All you have to do is BELIEVE, that's it.
Hitler and many, many of his fellow Nazis believed. That made them REAL CHRISTIANS it's the only requirement.
This is what gets me...you people don't understand at the very least the basics of the nonsense you claim to believe
The rest of what you post below is from a wikipedia article.....I don't disagree with the fact that those who resisted the Nazis were persecuted.....it does not UNDO their Christianity, that would be a non-sequiter according to your own bible.
You own them just like the innocents in the " religion of peace" get to own theirs.
What you have basically shown is exactly what I said...the Nazis were Aryan supremacists and eugenicists who employed Christian symbolism and vague references to Christianity to justify their hatred. You have shown nothing that proved Nazism was related in any way shape or form to any sort of organized religion. If Nazism = Christianity why did the Nazis persecute Catholics?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany
The Roman Catholic Church suffered persecution in Nazi Germany. As a totalitarian ideology, the Nazis claimed jurisdiction over all collective and social activity, interfering with Catholic schooling, youth groups, workers' clubs and cultural societies.[1] Nazi ideology could not accept an autonomous establishment, whose legitimacy did not spring from the government. It desired the subordination of the church to the state.[2] The Nazi leadership hoped to dechristianise Germany in the long term.[3] Aggressive anti-Church radicals like Propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, Reichsführer-SS Heinrich Himmler and Hitler's "deputy" Martin Bormann saw the kirchenkampf campaign against the Churches as a priority concern, and anti-church and anticlerical sentiments were strong among grassroots party activists.[4][5] Hitler himself also held radical instincts on the Church Question, but was prepared to restrain his anticlericalism out of political considerations, seeing dangers in strengthening the church through persecution.[6][7]
A threatening, if initially mainly sporadic persecution of the Church followed the Nazi takeover. Hitler moved quickly to eliminate Political Catholicism, and thousands were arrested. Despite continuing molestation of Catholic clergy, and organisations following the appointment of Hitler as Chancellor by President von Hindenburg, the Vatican was anxious to reach a legal agreement with the new government, in order to protect the rights of the Church in Germany.[8] The resulting Reich concordat was violated almost immediately. The Nazis moved to dissolve the Catholic youth leagues and clergy, nuns and lay leaders began to be targeted, leading to thousands of arrests over the ensuing years, often on trumped up charges of currency smuggling or "immorality". Catholic aligned political parties in Germany, along with all other parties, were outlawed in 1933, and Catholic lay leaders were targeted in Hitler's 1934 Night of the Long Knives purge. By 1937, Pope Pius XI's Mit brennender Sorge encyclical was accusing the regime of sowing "fundamental hostility to Christ and his Church".
By 1940, a dedicated clergy barracks had been established by the Nazis at Dachau Concentration Camp. Of a total of 2,720 clergy recorded as imprisoned at Dachau, the overwhelming majority, some 2,579 (or 94.88%) were Catholic - among them 400 German priests. Catholic schools in Germany were phased out by 1939 and Catholic press by 1941. With the expansion of the war in the East from 1941, there came also an expansion of the regime's attack on the Church in Germany. Monasteries and convents were targeted and expropriation of Church properties surged. The Jesuits were especially targeted.[9] The German bishops accused the Reich Government of "unjust oppression and hated struggle against Christianity and the Church".
In the Polish areas annexed by Nazi Germany a severe persecution was launched from 1939. Here the Nazis set about systematically dismantling the Church - arresting its leaders, exiling its clergymen, closing its churches, monasteries and convents. Many clergymen were murdered. At least 1811 Polish clergy died in Nazi concentration camps. Hitler's plans for the Germanization of the East saw no place for the Christian Churches. The Church was also harshly treated in other annexed regions such as in Austria under the Gauleiter of Vienna, Odilo Globocnik, who confiscated property, closed Catholic organisations and sent many priests to Dachau; and in the Czech lands where religious orders were suppressed, schools closed, religious instruction forbidden and priests sent to concentration camps.
To reiterate:
At least 1811 Polish clergy died in Nazi concentration camps. Hitler's plans for the Germanization of the East saw no place forarticle ristian Churches. The Church was also harshly treated in other annexed regions such as in Austria under the Gauleiter of Vienna, Odilo Globocnik, who confiscated property, closed Catholic organisations and sent many priests to Dachau; and in the Czech lands where religious orders were suppressed, schools closed, religious instruction forbidden and priests sent to concentration camps.
What they said and claimed to the public about being motivated by Christianity was very different from what they actually practiced.
Hey maybe you guys can make fun of my ethnicity in the mean time. Maybe call me homophobic or misogynistic names?
Hey look a Gerbil! Oh never mind It's just a CONservative sex toy.
I knew it would be stunning.
Quote Originally Posted by Rod Farva View Post
Pharaoh had multiple chances to fine tune his free will. He chose poorly. We all have choices, that IS free will. Just because you are given it doesn't mean it can be abused without consequence.
Sooooo.....free will has fine tuning? Are you being serious?
It seems to me that for god to harden your heart it would mean that god, being omniscient ,would have sensed that pharaoh's heart was softening. Sensing this ( and at this point pharaoh still has free will) god immediately snatches it away, because he's not going to let this putz get in the way of him showing off his magic.
He does this 3 times in a circular logic type situation. Pharaoh starts to give in, god senses it, hardens his heart, god punishes, pharaoh softens, god senses, hardens.....OH WAIT! I JUST REMEMBERED THE BIBLE IS BULLSHIT. Silly me I was applying a rational educated mind to this story full of plot holes. Pharaoh wanted to exercise his free will but god kept snatching it away, silly, silly me he should have " fine tuned" some more.
Free will means free will. Its not conditional, you either have it or you don't. Idiot.
Man you possess zero reading comprehension skills.
I can't even begin to describe in a way you could grasp what it is you lack.
See above though you might get a clue.
Meh, keep up........all the world's his/her *****. Don't feel bad Hamster.
Christianity is about 700 years older than Islam and has gone through its period of reformation already. It's era of brutality is over.
Again, I'm going to assume you didn't read the earlier post where Gall in the first quote from a Nazi leader clearly states before hand that it was a private memo sent out to that region. It was not public.
Also as far as what they claimed and what they were....I'm assuming you are arrogant enough to believe you are better informed than Gall because....yes you skimmed a wikipedia article and he has only spent years researching the subject.
Once again:
Indeed, none of the Nazis who proclaimed a positive attitude toward Christianity in public revealed themselves as anti-Christian in private. Therefore the insistence that the Nazis practiced "sheer opportunism" or placed a "tactical restraint" on their supposed hatred for Christianity "which had been imposed during the years of struggle to achieve power" cannot be sustained--- From the book, The Holy Reich, Richard Steigmann-Gall[/I]
That they killed polish priests could have been just because they were Slavic. If they killed them because they were political enemies it still doesn't nullify their Christianity.
You're either deliberately being obtuse or you just don't have reading comprehension skills. I never said the Nazis were "anti-Christianity", either publicly or privately. I said they weren't motivated by Christianity. They were motivated by eugenics. As you just reinforced, by saying the priests could have been killed because they were Slavic. Christianity did not matter to them except mainly as tool to incite hatred against Jews. They preyed upon anti-Semitic sentiment among Christians of the time in justifying their persecution of Jews, to be sure. The primary motivation of the Nazis was the creation of a pure, superior Aryan nation, a National Socialist State, it was not world domination of the Christian religion. Where Christian institutions interfered with that goal they were persecuted and destroyed. Where they could be used to advance it they were embraced.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2007/11/the_nazis_and_christianity.html
You're either deliberately being obtuse or you just don't have reading comprehension skills. I never said the Nazis were "anti-Christianity", either publicly or privately. I said they weren't motivated by Christianity. They were motivated by eugenics. As you just reinforced, by saying the priests could have been killed because they were Slavic. Christianity did not matter to them except mainly as tool to incite hatred against Jews. They preyed upon anti-Semitic sentiment among Christians of the time in justifying their persecution of Jews, to be sure. The primary motivation of the Nazis was the creation of a pure, superior Aryan nation, a National Socialist State, it was not world domination of the Christian religion. Where Christian institutions interfered with that goal they were persecuted and destroyed. Where they could be used to advance it they were embraced.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2007/11/the_nazis_and_christianity.html
As I recall this was a conversation with several people, who proved to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that Hitler was born a a Catholic but rejected Catholicism and basically was an agnostic who used faux Christianity as an excuse to hate and persecute Jews. Hitler was a eugenicist, not a religious fanatic. He was condemned by the Pope and other Christian religious leaders.
You have really gone off the rails.
Yes, you have posted a lot of stuff that shows that Nazis tried to link Christianity with white supremacy. No one denies that.
What you have not done is show that they were mostly motivated by religious fervor, church teachings, church leadership or Biblical teaching.
What you have basically shown is exactly what I said...the Nazis were Aryan supremacists and eugenicists who employed Christian symbolism and vague references to Christianity to justify their hatred. You have shown nothing that proved Nazism was related in any way shape or form to any sort of organized religion. If Nazism = Christianity why did the Nazis persecute Catholics?
Our resident JewFrican Indian schizophrenic iyetmploying the Steel Vanguard, Lefty approach. Change the subject, argue the new point he/she introduces, then claim everyone else is changing the subject.
The original topic of the thread was dispelling the notion that Christianity and Islam are similar/violent teaching religions. That is the debate.
Dolezal has tried to change the subject away from this discussion to convince us all that Christianity "isn't beautiful." Religion, bad pass me club, ugggh, ugggh...grunt grunt.
You're correct OFTB, btw. Christianity influenced the Nazis to the same degree Liberalism, Socialism, and Nationalism did, and just as as much as PMS, the flu, the climate, and education affected what we now know as the Nazi movement. Hitler and the Nazis were not, as you indicate OFTB, driven by Christianity. Influenced by? Sure. To what degree? Up for debate. Hell, Islam influenced the Nazis too. There were tens of thousands of influences.
Then again, that isn't the point of the thread.
But as the JewFrican Indian likes to say, in her/it's attempts to divert the discussion, "Hey, look, squirrel!" This is his tactic.
I've been consistent from my first post:The Muslim fascist resurgence was rekindled by the association with
their christian brethren in the third reich.
Homophobe!
Aaaand, surprise, you still don't get it. Could it have been that pharaoh's atrocious treatment of the Jews and his unwillingness to stop BY HIS OWN CHOICE that God hardened his heart? Free will does NOT mean unlimited free **** ups.......especially when it leads to so many innocents dead. I swear you must be ******* retarded to not grasp this.....whatever you are, "rational" does not apply. As for the "educated" part of your self descriptors, the world is rife with "educated" idiots. Welcome to their ranks.
I'll try to use little words so that a basic concept...err... idea can enter your thick skull.
By giving you so many "chances" and you being aware of it, god has already affected your free will (you no longer have it)from the get go.
Again, you either have it or you don't
As far as " innocents dead" goes your god is the greatest mass murderer in history, according to your story book of course. How can he set any kind of moral standards?
They were, and never will be the same. But your premise that we as people still "learn" at the same rate we did 600 years ago is flawed.
I was going to save some of that scripture to use on steeltime, but i hate to beat a dead jackass.
/ drops mic yet again and heads to his comfy bed with a big smirk on face/
Go ahead and cite one ******* part of the new testament that would provide support to Nazi ideology. Go ahead, liar, one ******* part.