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Because they are PART of the problem.
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Because they are PART of the problem.
Everything in this country is a race issue. I don't know that I felt that way until Obama was elected. Now, to disagree with him is not that you have legitimate differences with his policies, but it must be that you are a racist. That is just the way it is right now, to say differently, you are blind.
Who came to Ben Roethlisberger's defense? It has been a while, but I just do not recall anyone really did. Nobody said he was an upstanding guy who made a mistake like they did about Ray Rice. I'm going to say it, I just am tired of giving a **** and walking on eggshells. If Ben was black, that girl doesn't say a thing. No way. It would have turned on her, she would've been the *******. And, I am not calling it reverse racism. It is just the way it is.
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I was just called a racist a week ago for saying I didn't vote for Obama and didn't believe in his politics...
Driven by money? How? What, because if Ray Rice was suspended for, let's say 6 games, the league wouldn't make as much money? That is a stupid argument. Nobody will stop going to games or watching on TV or buying merchandise because Ray Rice gets 6 games. There would be no difference there. So it isn't about money.
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The NFL owes much of its success to parity- more so any of the big 3. The fact remains that any team can make the playoffs, and surprises occur every year. You take away this 'parity', and the sport will fail to draw as much as a fan base, merchandise, etc ($$$)
How do you achieve this? You make sure there is a very small amount of teams that are 'really bad'. The league's best season financially would be for every team to be in playoff contention until week 17. That would equate to fans following religiously for 17 weeks with the hope of a SB run- buying tickets, watching commercials, buying merchandise throughout.
You have to understand that most fans are band-wagoners. If their team goes 0-4, or if there team appears to suck, they will watch less NFL and buy less NFL crap. That is why Goodell does not want to willingly hurt a team's competitiveness- it leads to less viewers for that market eg. less $$ for the owners.
Dont be naive. Each of of these professional leagues are in it for the money.
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I'm sorry but this is just so damn funny.
OK. Again, how does suspending Ray Rice for, let's say 6 games, affect any money the league makes? He is a running back in a passing league with a pretty decent backup. With or without him, the Ravens probably achieve pretty much the same record. I understand the league and teams are about making money, but whatever they do with Ray Rice will not affect that whatsoever. You are the naive one. Much of what you hear from fans is how they are disgusted that the league is becoming so soft. One would think that would affect money. It hasn't one bit. The NFL will make their money regardless.
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Youre using a lot of 'what if's'.
Facts- Ray Rice has been one of Baltimore's best offensive weapons for the past couple of years. Last year, the team had a less than stellar 2nd half of their season. Taking away one of their best players, for a team obviously in transition, would more likely hurt them than help them. You can use whatever anecdotes you'd like, but those are the facts. Goodell's in the business of making the owners rich- why would he potentially weaken a team and thus lose $$ if he wasnt forced too? Think like a business man- these owners arent saying "Well, I guess I have enough money for now". No, they are looking at Goodell and asking for more! And if he doesnt provide- his *** will be out.
Which brings me to your second point. There was little to almost no media backlash for Ray Rice. Maybe because his wife diffused the situation or b/c it was his first strike- who knows. But with little media attention- Goodell didnt have to do sh*t. In Ben's case, BB's face was plastered all over the news. TMZ and its new formed sports operation went running with the story and it picked up legs. Hell I work in NYC- when the Ben story broke, everyone on my trading floor was talking about it. The Ray Rice thing? Not so much. Goodell had to 'act harshly' because Ben's case was far more likely to welcome negative backlash from the press. And, once again, would equate to losing money.
Bro- just follow the dollar.
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I'm going to say one last thing on this issue. I didn't want to see Ray Rice suspended. The reason is two fold.
First, it is time we drop this idea that players are role models. Charles Barkley was right. Role models should be across the kitchen table from kids. Holding up these overindulged guys who have had their ***** kissed from the 3rd grade on is just stupid. So I say to the NFL, drop the pretense. Long ago I dropped the idea that the players on the Steelers were more wholesome than those on other teams. Their job is to win. I could give a **** less about anything else. I won't judge them. By the same token, I don't want any sob stories, either. I could care less if their Mom died when they were 12. I find it interesting that when players get in trouble, they want to invoke their privacy, but they will air other things to get sympathy.
Secondly, the woman Ray Rice punched isn't going anywhere, is she? If she isn't going to get out of that situation, the hell with it. If she wants to be a punching bag, that is on her. This is 2014, not 1914. But she will put up with that nonsense. If she will, why shouldn't the league? The real lesson for women would be if she said, "Screw the money. I am out." That would be a strong woman standing up for herself. Do we get that? No. We get the NFL trying to make a statement that will go nowhere, because it really means nothing.
First, it is time we drop this idea that players are role models. Charles Barkley was right. Role models should be across the kitchen table from kids. Holding up these overindulged guys who have had their ***** kissed from the 3rd grade on is just stupid. So I say to the NFL, drop the pretense. Long ago I dropped the idea that the players on the Steelers were more wholesome than those on other teams. Their job is to win. I could give a **** less about anything else. I won't judge them. By the same token, I don't want any sob stories, either. I could care less if their Mom died when they were 12. I find it interesting that when players get in trouble, they want to invoke their privacy, but they will air other things to get sympathy.
Secondly, the woman Ray Rice punched isn't going anywhere, is she? If she isn't going to get out of that situation, the hell with it. If she wants to be a punching bag, that is on her. This is 2014, not 1914. But she will put up with that nonsense. If she will, why shouldn't the league? The real lesson for women would be if she said, "Screw the money. I am out." That would be a strong woman standing up for herself. Do we get that? No. We get the NFL trying to make a statement that will go nowhere, because it really means nothing.
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Would you care to explain the hoopla that surrounded Famous Jameis Winston? Same situation as Ben. Even more media attention than Ben.
I dont recall Obama holding a press conference in his defense. I dont recall Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson holding protests in his name. So, tell me again how race has anything to do with this....
Even more media attention than Ben? Are you kidding me?
Jimbo Fisher isn't suspending him from football. One suspension is enough. So suspending him from the sport that isn't even his meal ticket. Oh, boy. That'll teach him. And, according to Fisher, what Winston did "wasn't malicious" and was not done with "intent." I guess those crawfish just jumped into his pocket. Did anyone defend Ben in such a manner?
To say today that you can criticize a black guy as much as you can a white guy is just foolish. Our President is an everyday example of this. There is no racial escape for the white guy. Which is fine, really. I expect no quarter in that regard, so it doesn't bother me personally. However, if the punishment for Ray Rice was more, to the point where to some it seemed excessive, it would not be long until a Jason Whitlock or somebody would write and article about those nasty white NFL owners putting a black man in his place, or some nonsense.
If you don't think Goodell thinks about those things, you are being naive.
Also, I remember some of the complaints from players about punishments over the years. With those complaints, there was always an undercurrent of race there. When Ben had his issues, that was brought out. I heard some black players say to the effect, "let's see if they suspend the white guy." So race was brought into long before I suggested it.
Another thing that was suggested by the players as I recall was to have Goodell consult with a group of players/former players on punishments. With that, I recall players saying it was needed because the commish and owners do not necessarily understand the young, black athlete. Whether that is or not I have no idea. But if it is, they again brought race into well before I did.
Another thing that was suggested by the players as I recall was to have Goodell consult with a group of players/former players on punishments. With that, I recall players saying it was needed because the commish and owners do not necessarily understand the young, black athlete. Whether that is or not I have no idea. But if it is, they again brought race into well before I did.
You do realize that he was talking about the rape allegation against Winston last fall and not the shoplifting incident right?
more media attention than Ben??? you're ******* nuts......
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It went right over his head, man.
Its like people WANT to infuse race in to this- looking for some reason to be outraged or offended.
I have yet to meet a black man defend Ray Rice. It was a piece of sh*t move- I couldn't imagine dragging a man's body across the floor, let alone my fiance.
But dive claims that if he were to say something bad about Rice- people would call him a racist?! Bull ****. Please show me the people defending or willing to protest for Ray Rice?
In fact, its ignorant how he would assume black people would blindly just support any black man despite his actions
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You realize I am referring to the rape allegation...
Jameis Winston's case and media attention, b/c he was the Heisman trophy winner and #1 college QB in the nation, was just as large as Ben's from a national standpoint.
I'm not a ******* idiot......
it was no where near the same in Houston. No one I work with was discussing it and it did not light up the local talk radio shows the way Ben's allegations did.....
cough...OJ....cough......
I don't think race was on godell's mind in this situation....he is just a ******* idiot
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ESPN now controls who gets disciplined in sports. All commissioners bend to their will. ESPN needed Jameis Winston so they did not make that big a deal out of the allegations. They'd mention it but always in the context of "we have to wait for the facts."
That's a laugh. ESPN doesn't wait for facts when they have a story that suits their purpose. They liked the politics of the Duke Lacrosse case so there was no need for facts.
ESPN is now part of the PC police force. They just pump the brakes when it may affect their bottom line. If the Redskins were a hockey team, Mike Greenberg would be wetting his pants on air non-stop about their name.
What the media loves most of all is implying racism. They feel it gives them some moral high ground, proving what progressive thinkers they are.
Before Ben got in trouble, Pac Man Jones was suspended without being charged with a crime. A few people said it was because Pac Man was black and they'd never suspend a white player who was not charged. At that point, the fix was in. The next significant white guy to get in any trouble would get the hammer dropped on him.
The Ray Rice story serves no purpose for ESPN. They aren't going to do a negative story on the NFL without getting something from it. With Ray Rice, there is no race angle so it's not worth it for ESPN to do the full press.
That's a laugh. ESPN doesn't wait for facts when they have a story that suits their purpose. They liked the politics of the Duke Lacrosse case so there was no need for facts.
ESPN is now part of the PC police force. They just pump the brakes when it may affect their bottom line. If the Redskins were a hockey team, Mike Greenberg would be wetting his pants on air non-stop about their name.
What the media loves most of all is implying racism. They feel it gives them some moral high ground, proving what progressive thinkers they are.
Before Ben got in trouble, Pac Man Jones was suspended without being charged with a crime. A few people said it was because Pac Man was black and they'd never suspend a white player who was not charged. At that point, the fix was in. The next significant white guy to get in any trouble would get the hammer dropped on him.
The Ray Rice story serves no purpose for ESPN. They aren't going to do a negative story on the NFL without getting something from it. With Ray Rice, there is no race angle so it's not worth it for ESPN to do the full press.
…and he still was only able to get less than 3 yards a carry.
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You can add the 49er's .. has there been any discussion about their QB after his escapade ..
Jameis Winston
In addition to the shoplifting there was a rape charge as well and a failure to prosecute. The victim and her lawyer both want to prosecute. She was drunk and it took 11 months to get to the prosecutors office. In Ben's case the victim did not want to pursue it. Great big difference not the same at all. Just Google that Jameis Winston guy and scroll down and read all the things that go on with him.
Yea it did, because I had forgotten about the rape incident. That was the impact it made. Oh yeah, it was more than Ben. Bullshit.
To this point, Ray Rice has gotten off easy. Part of that is it is just Ray Rice. He is a good player, but he really isn't that big of a deal. Let's see if there is an extended outrage over his lack of suspension. If there is, sooner or later someone will postulate something like, "this really isn't about what he did, this is about the color of his skin."
I find it hard to believe people are still don't see this with the President that we have. It is in our face everyday. I don't agree with the President on healthcare, I don't want minorities to get care, hence I am a racist. I disagree with him on gun issues, it is not that I have belief in the 2nd Amendment, I am just a bitter white guy holding onto my guns and God. I could go on and on. Yet, we are seeing real, absolute racism going on right now, and nobody will call it what it is. The outrage against Israel for what is going on is pure anti-Semitism.
Black unemployment is the highest it has ever been. Yet, blacks still blindly support this President.
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