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Ray Rice plea deal

ah, but he beat the woman, poured bleach on her, tried to kill her and ... no suspension.

shows Rog is getting tough on the Rats and has it in for them.
/Rat fans
 
two games....**** you right in the butthole Roger.
 
Superman said:
ah, but he beat the woman, poured bleach on her, tried to kill her and ... no suspension.

shows Rog is getting tough on the Rats and has it in for them.
/Rat fans
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Wow. Lucky for Ray that he didn't try to get a BJ in the bathroom or he'd REALLY be in trouble.
 
EdReed4Prez said:
I'd be ok with a longer suspension. I have a feeling that the part of the video we aren't seeing is his girl (now wife) hitting him multiple times and him just snapping with 1 shot. Still not excusable IMO but I think that's the reasoning.

The folks comparing it to Ben need to step back, different events. The closest comparison would be Harrison's incident. I honestly don't remember what he got though.
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The comparison is they both involve women. I understand it's not the same case but even Harrisons is different in the fact he did not knock his girlfriend out and from the reports I heard it was some sort of face slap. Not that that is ok but knocking out your girlfriend with a punch and a face slap which from the reports I saw didn't leave a mark. Neither is ok and Harrison probably deserved a suspension but I would say he probably deserved the slap on the wrist Rice is getting while Rice deserves an 8-16 game suspension. My opinion of Ben's incident is he deserved a 2 game with a knock down to one if he agreed to do counseling, community service, outreach program, and donate money to charity. If he didn't do everything within 10 games he would get suspended the other game.
 
Mrs. Rice says she'd okay with it as long as she gets to keep the keys to the Bentley.
 
No question about it, consistency is nonexistent, with this baboon of a commissioner. Make it up as we go, thats what I say. Ben R. got shafted, Ray R. didn't. Pretty simple on the equality meeter reading. Part of the problem I have, is the STEELERS, as a team, were the only team who didn't vote for the CBA. Their biggest fear, was they said it gave the rog, to much individual power. All other teams ratified it, with out any concern. Bet the players wish they could do a revote :)


Salute the nation
 
EdReed4Prez said:
I'd be ok with a longer suspension. I have a feeling that the part of the video we aren't seeing is his girl (now wife) hitting him multiple times and him just snapping with 1 shot. Still not excusable IMO but I think that's the reasoning.

The folks comparing it to Ben need to step back, different events. The closest comparison would be Harrison's incident. I honestly don't remember what he got though.
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ER4P,

I like you man but that is the dumbest thing I have ever seen you post.

We don't need to step back because in the Ben situation he did nothing wrong committed no crime at all and got a 6 game suspension. Rice is caught on video busting his girl in the chops with a closed fist, gets charged, takes a plea deal and cops a two game sit out. Goodell is in no way even handed in the NFL player discipline policy and how he handles these issues and that is the problem we Steelers fans are addressing.
 
EdReed4Prez said:
Didn't the Rooneys ask for the 6 game (reduced to 4) suspension for Ben? I thought I remember seeing that.
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NO, the Rooneys didn't ask for the 6 reduced to 4. They waited patiently to see the out come. They were prepared to enforce a suspension of their own, had they NOT thought the rog's was stiff enough. They were surprised at the 6, with the blackmail reduction to 4. I say blackmail as in ONLY reduced if ben did the counseling / good behavior / No-public voicing or discussing of fraction. Basically, he couldn't defend himself in the public view, thus the overbearing belief of guilt. Like it or not, guilty or not, Ben got JACKED, Ray got tickled.


Salute the nation
 
DBS1970 said:
ER4P,

I like you man but that is the dumbest thing I have ever seen you post.

We don't need to step back because in the Ben situation he did nothing wrong committed no crime at all and got a 6 game suspension. Rice is caught on video busting his girl in the chops with a closed fist, gets charged, takes a plea deal and cops a two game sit out. Goodell is in no way even handed in the NFL player discipline policy and how he handles these issues and that is the problem we Steelers fans are addressing.
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I get it. You think the Ben suspension was too stiff. That has bearing on Rice's case though. If anything Rice got a stiff penalty since Harrison and Suggs got nothing. Ben's case and Rice's case are apples and oranges. Your beef is that Ben was suspended too long, not that Rice wasn't suspended enough.
 
The only correlation between punishment and infraction has to do with media coverage/outrage.

That's ALL that matters. While I disagree, this isn't a court of law and fairness isn't the basis of "success" to Goodell and the Owners.

They don't ask the question "What did Roethlisberger get and thus what Ray Rice should get?". They are asking the question "What penalty will cause the least amount of waves in the media/public opinion poles?".

If they give him 4 or 6 games, the story goes viral again because that is a pretty unique penalty length whereas 2 games lets them say "We did something" while also keeping the punishment where the players don't make a stink, the union doesn't make a stink and only a few ESPN talking heads might say something for a day or two under the guise of "debate" but in reality will just blow over.

The Personal Conduct Policy is not about being FAIR in punishment, only that is has a right to punish any/all conduct in any/all ways it sees fit.

In reality, the infractions have less to do with actual criminal severity and more about how "shocking and embarrassing they are". It's clear it's better to have guns, do domestic violence or carry around marijuana than to buy an underage college upper-middle glass white girl shots at a bar and drunkenly hope to get some action in the bathroom (while being an uncouth ******* about it).

I hate to bring up race in this, but black-on-black crime (and those crimes that are prevalent on big city news programs night after night after night) just don't get ratings or the attention of something like what Ben Roethlisberger was accused of. I know the Ray Rice situation got a lot of attention because of the video, but could you imagine if a tape like that existing for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers? It wouldn't just be on ESPN and TMZ, it would be EVERYWHERE.

I hate to say this, but there is a large part of our population that looks at black crime and says "doesn't surprise me" and pretty much ignores the story, thus saving The Shield from dirt.

The punishments to date have reflected this.
 
deljzc said:
The only correlation between punishment and infraction has to do with media coverage/outrage.

That's ALL that matters. While I disagree, this isn't a court of law and fairness isn't the basis of "success" to Goodell and the Owners.

They don't ask the question "What did Roethlisberger get and thus what Ray Rice should get?". They are asking the question "What penalty will cause the least amount of waves in the media/public opinion poles?".

If they give him 4 or 6 games, the story goes viral again because that is a pretty unique penalty length whereas 2 games lets them say "We did something" while also keeping the punishment where the players don't make a stink, the union doesn't make a stink and only a few ESPN talking heads might say something for a day or two under the guise of "debate" but in reality will just blow over.

The Personal Conduct Policy is not about being FAIR in punishment, only that is has a right to punish any/all conduct in any/all ways it sees fit.

In reality, the infractions have less to do with actual criminal severity and more about how "shocking and embarrassing they are". It's clear it's better to have guns, do domestic violence or carry around marijuana than to buy an underage college upper-middle glass white girl shots at a bar and drunkenly hope to get some action in the bathroom (while being an uncouth ******* about it).

I hate to bring up race in this, but black-on-black crime (and those crimes that are prevalent on big city news programs night after night after night) just don't get ratings or the attention of something like what Ben Roethlisberger was accused of. I know the Ray Rice situation got a lot of attention because of the video, but could you imagine if a tape like that existing for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers? It wouldn't just be on ESPN and TMZ, it would be EVERYWHERE.

I hate to say this, but there is a large part of our population that looks at black crime and says "doesn't surprise me" and pretty much ignores the story, thus saving The Shield from dirt.

The punishments to date have reflected this.
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Cant really agree with this point. I mean, just look at the exorbitant penalties levied on black players for innocuous drugs like weed. A drug that is likely to become legalized in the near future. These infractions, for those most part, arent really covered in soo much detail by the media- yet Goodell is more than happy to rein down multiple game suspensions. So I think It has little to do with race or with white people's pre-conceived notions of blacks.

I do agree with your first assumption- it has everything to do with publicity. For some reason, this did not draw a lot of coverage. Maybe because the wife dropped the charges and did her best to defer the attention away from negativity. Nonetheless, once the media 'fell asleep' with this story, Goodell wasnt really forced to do sh*t.

Unfortunately, it makes the whole ordeal seem entirely arbitrary. And Ryan Clark's assumption about 'judge jury executioner' are spot on.
 
Ben Roethlisberger plays for a team that has owners like my parents were. In other words, when I screwed up in school, they supported the punishment, and added their own. The school then felt more comfortable instituting a harsher punishment.

Ray Rice plays for a guy like modern parents, probably. Even though the kid really screwed up, well, it's just a mistake. He feels bad about it, isn't that enough? Too much punishment could hurt his self-esteem.

Ed is right, though. Ben and Ray are two totally different things. That is what makes this so ridiculous. I don't care too much what is says about the punishment for Ray Rice as much as it bothers me that our guy got 4 games and was charged with nothing. It shouldn't be comparable because of that alone. Ben wasn't charged. He should have never been in the "system" if you will. There also is a racial component. Nobody will come to the defense of the white guy. It isn't cool. Goodell knows this.
 
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deljzc said:
The only correlation between punishment and infraction has to do with media coverage/outrage.

That's ALL that matters. While I disagree, this isn't a court of law and fairness isn't the basis of "success" to Goodell and the Owners.

They don't ask the question "What did Roethlisberger get and thus what Ray Rice should get?". They are asking the question "What penalty will cause the least amount of waves in the media/public opinion poles?".

If they give him 4 or 6 games, the story goes viral again because that is a pretty unique penalty length whereas 2 games lets them say "We did something" while also keeping the punishment where the players don't make a stink, the union doesn't make a stink and only a few ESPN talking heads might say something for a day or two under the guise of "debate" but in reality will just blow over.

The Personal Conduct Policy is not about being FAIR in punishment, only that is has a right to punish any/all conduct in any/all ways it sees fit.

In reality, the infractions have less to do with actual criminal severity and more about how "shocking and embarrassing they are". It's clear it's better to have guns, do domestic violence or carry around marijuana than to buy an underage college upper-middle glass white girl shots at a bar and drunkenly hope to get some action in the bathroom (while being an uncouth ******* about it).

I hate to bring up race in this, but black-on-black crime (and those crimes that are prevalent on big city news programs night after night after night) just don't get ratings or the attention of something like what Ben Roethlisberger was accused of. I know the Ray Rice situation got a lot of attention because of the video, but could you imagine if a tape like that existing for Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers? It wouldn't just be on ESPN and TMZ, it would be EVERYWHERE.

I hate to say this, but there is a large part of our population that looks at black crime and says "doesn't surprise me" and pretty much ignores the story, thus saving The Shield from dirt.

The punishments to date have reflected this.
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Am I the only one standing in left field lost after reading this??? Del, you lost me after the crime rate comparison...
 
Bigappleyinzer said:
Cant really agree with this point. I mean, just look at the exorbitant penalties levied on black players for innocuous drugs like weed. A drug that is likely to become legalized in the near future. These infractions, for those most part, arent really covered in soo much detail by the media- yet Goodell is more than happy to rein down multiple game suspensions. So I think It has little to do with race or with white people's pre-conceived notions of blacks.

I do agree with your first assumption- it has everything to do with publicity. For some reason, this did not draw a lot of coverage. Maybe because the wife dropped the charges and did her best to defer the attention away from negativity. Nonetheless, once the media 'fell asleep' with this story, Goodell wasnt really forced to do sh*t.

Unfortunately, it makes the whole ordeal seem entirely arbitrary. And Ryan Clark's assumption about 'judge jury executioner' are spot on.
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Drug test penalties are NOT personal conduct penalties.

They are predetermined and cannot be argued or changes. Criminality WITH drugs (no negative drug test) are open to personal conduct policy and often those have been treated relatively minor by the league (such as getting busted with marijuana in your car during a DUI arrest).
 
diver said:
Ben Roethlisberger plays for a team that has owners like my parents were. In other words, when I screwed up in school, they supported the punishment, and added their own. The school then felt more comfortable instituting a harsher punishment.

Ray Rice plays for a guy like modern parents, probably. Even though the kid really screwed up, well, it's just a mistake. He feels bad about it, isn't that enough? Too much punishment could hurt his self-esteem.

Ed is right, though. Ben and Ray are two totally different things. That is what makes this so ridiculous. I don't care too much what is says about the punishment for Ray Rice as much as it bothers me that our guy got 4 games and was charged with nothing. It shouldn't be comparable because of that alone. Ben wasn't charged. He should have never been in the "system" if you will. There also is a racial component. Nobody will come to the defense of the white guy. It isn't cool. Goodell knows this.
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I'm sorry, but, I don't see why race must be infused into this discussion.
 
deljzc said:
Drug test penalties are NOT personal conduct penalties.

They are predetermined and cannot be argued or changes. Criminality WITH drugs (no negative drug test) are open to personal conduct policy and often those have been treated relatively minor by the league (such as getting busted with marijuana in your car during a DUI arrest).
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I was about to make that exact same point. Goodall, when he has a say in the punishment, is an arbitrary *******.
 
This is another example, in an ever growing list of them, in which Goodell bends over backwards to help/go easy on two franchises: the Baltimore Ravens and the New England Patriots. Those two teams could get away with anything, while anybody else is held to a much harsher standard. It's crystal clear.
 
diver said:
Ben Roethlisberger plays for a team that has owners like my parents were. In other words, when I screwed up in school, they supported the punishment, and added their own. The school then felt more comfortable instituting a harsher punishment.

Ray Rice plays for a guy like modern parents, probably. Even though the kid really screwed up, well, it's just a mistake. He feels bad about it, isn't that enough? Too much punishment could hurt his self-esteem.

Ed is right, though. Ben and Ray are two totally different things. That is what makes this so ridiculous. I don't care too much what is says about the punishment for Ray Rice as much as it bothers me that our guy got 4 games and was charged with nothing. It shouldn't be comparable because of that alone. Ben wasn't charged. He should have never been in the "system" if you will. There also is a racial component. Nobody will come to the defense of the white guy. It isn't cool. Goodell knows this.
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hahaha nobody will come to the defense of the white guy? It must really suck being a white dude, huh? lol

But just to play along- What black's or black organizations came to the defense of Ray Rice? What group was Goodell 'too afraid' to piss off?! If race was that sensitive of an issue for the league, Goodell would have done something about Riley Cooper and the Redskins would be known as the Washington Warriors by now.

So please spare us the reverse racism diatribe- this has nothing to do with race. It is 100% driven by $$$
 
I have to agree with some, I really don't see this as being a racial issue. I see it as favoritism of one team.
 
is it favoritism for Ravens and Pats? or hate on the steelers only?

Goodell's arbitrary punishments are blatant. To us anyway.. why are our owners mum on this?
 
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