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Tomlin....he's driving a proud organization straight in to the ground.

I can easily separate my joy for watching the Steelers and for my perceived need for a coaching change.

What I won't do is be happy if things aren't shaken up after the season.

Ravens turned themselves around fairly quickly from rebuilding and are competitive.

I do not expect a SB win each year with a new coaching staff.

But I do expect to make the playoffs 2/3 of the time and no three year droughts.

I expect not to be continually embarrassed by the Steelers playing down to bad teams and even worse losing to them greater than 50% of the time.

I expect the Steelers to be competitive against the better teams and win their fair share of battles, again enough to push the Steelers into the playoffs.

Sure a occasional SB would be nice.

I do not see any of this happening under the current set of coaches.

A fresh look and approach would be welcomed.
 
Article in BTSC tells a tale that makes sense, if you ignore our recent drafts......any of this sound familiar ?

What's Wrong With The Steelers? Ask The Patriots!

Ah, entitlement. It's by definition an easy trap to fall into. In fact, you don't even have to fall into it; it's a trap that's built up around you while your team wins, and you find yourself stuck in when they start to lose. "What! These guys don't seem to be favorites for another Superbowl, this is unacceptable, fire them!" We've become so accustomed to dominance that we expect it to continue indefinitely. But that's not how it works in the NFL anymore.

Heck, that's not even how it worked in the NFL back in the halcyon days of yore. All good things come to an end. Even the Steel Curtain gave way to the Steelers of the 1980's. And parity is much more pronounced today. Just ask the Patriots, who could lay legitimate claim to the title "dynasty" through their consistent domination over the past 10 years plus with efficient quarterbacking, canny coaching, savvy personnel management, and shameless cheating. And now those Patriots are sitting with at 2-2 having lost a divisional matchup with a bad Dolphins team and been utterly demolished on national television by a fundamentally flawed and injury depleted Chiefs squad. The Patriots will be underdogs at home against the Bengals this Sunday. It's not just the past 4 games either. The Patriots once again made the playoffs last year, but their 12-4 record was supported by 5 victories by a FG or less and soft division, and their playoff appearance was once again brief. With such limited tools available as Julian Edelman and a broken down Gronkowski, there's no mistaking the fact that the Patriots are on the way down, not up.

You can blame the players for not executing. You can blame the coaches for not preparing. You can blame the GM for not acquiring talent. But there's another layer that's often overlooked. The players rely on their skills as tools of the trade, the coaches can only work with the players they're given, and (here's what's overlooked) the GM can only work with the tools he's given. The thing is, drafting in the bottom 3rd of the draft for 10 years in a row eventually takes it's toll, and holding together a veteran core makes it difficult to compete financially for free agents after that veteran core dissolves. The more success a team has the less they have to work with to build for the future. When good GM's and coaches start to struggle it's not because they've lost their edge, it's because the league is designed to handicap them in proportion to their success. Nobody can defy parity forever.

The Steelers are coming off a great run that earned them two Lombardi's and almost a third, and because of that they're fighting not just against other teams but also the handicaps imposed by the league on all good teams. The team managed to prevail against them for an unusually long time but it was inevitable that they would ultimately succumb. It's the life cycle of an NFL dynasty. What happened to the Steelers? No, it's not that Dick LeBeau got old or Kevin Colbert forgot how to draft. It's simply that the salary cap and reverse draft order did exactly what they're designed to, turn champions into 8-8 teams.
http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.co...hats-wrong-with-the-steelers-ask-the-patriots

That seems like a blatant excuse-making piece to me. Plus, the comparative premise is idiotic.

Ask the Patriots? Despite the so called disadvantages both teams have had to endure, the Patriots have played in three consecutive AFCC games, while the Steelers were getting clowned by Tim Tebow and missing the playoffs the next two seasons.

The Patriots have been able to compensate because they actually have a good coach in addition to their franchise QB. I'll pretty much guarantee you that Belichick will make the adjustments and the Patriots will win 10+ games again, while the Steelers struggle to win 8 with a soggy tissue soft schedule.
 
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Except that Colbert seemed to draft pretty well until Captain Obvious arrived.

Coincidence. Mere coincidence, man.

However, there is a rumor that during one of their first meetings as a head coach/general manager tandem, Colbert was so mesmerized by Tomlin's greatness that he fainted, violently banging his head off the wall and lowering his IQ about 30 points.

So, though Tomlin may have indirectly impacted the quality of the Steelers drafting and overall personnel decisions, it is not for the reasons that the bigoted, idiotic, agenda-seeking Tomlin bashers proclaim.
 
I love how everyone conviently forgets how easy the Steelers had it when it came to drafting 3-4 defensive players. They were one of the very few playing it. We kept Linebackers because we didnt have to worry about other teams drafting them. We knew they would be there cause they only fit our scheme. Now those same guys are going much higher because there are way more teams playing the 3-4.

LOL.. awesome point as always..
 
That seems like a blatant excuse-making piece to me. Plus, the comparative premise is idiotic.

Ask the Patriots? Despite the so called disadvantages both teams have had to endure, the Patriots have played in three consecutive AFCC games, while the Steelers were getting clowned by Tim Tebow and missing the playoffs the next two seasons.

The Patriots have been able to compensate because they actually have a good coach in addition to their franchise QB. I'll pretty much guarantee you that Belichick will make the adjustments and the Patriots will win 10+ games again, while the Steelers struggle to win 8 with a soggy tissue soft schedule.

Exactly! The Pats have the coaching staff and overall philosophy to succeed with decent, non-awesome talent. We on the other hand cannot win a game in which our QB doesn't light the field on fire.
 
Again, I do not object to them firing Tomlin, or the idea of it. I agree he is not doing a very good job. I just don't believe everything is going to be happy days and roses with another guy. And I really think that with some of the venom here, people will expect that. Maybe not some of you who actually make a valid argument, but those in the "It's all on Tomlin" crowd. Because if all this is just on Tomlin, if you take that literally, then a new coach will have them winning SBs immediately.
With the mess Tomlin has created I don't think anyone believes it's going to be a quick fix.
 
You guys are right. This may be the worst coached team in the league.

Every game our idiot QB takes a sack down deep. Since he is too damn stupid to understand where he is, stop calling ******' pass plays. Run the ball.

Bell is getting 5 yards a carry most runs. Get a good run on 1st down, let's get in the shotgun, empty set. Makes sense.

Hand the ball to a guy who hasn't run with it since the preseason on 3rd and 1.

Wow. You try to remain positive and they make it hard. If what they were doing made sense, I wouldn't be upset if they won 17-9. But this is hard to watch.
 
Every game our idiot QB takes a sack down deep. Since he is too damn stupid to understand where he is, stop calling ******' pass plays. Run the ball.

And what is excruciatingly irritating is that Ben frequently has Bell open for a quick pass and positive yards, but just will not throw that pass.

He did once today, on what looked like a designed play, and Bell picks up 9 yards and an easy 1st down.

Bell is getting 5 yards a carry most runs. Get a good run on 1st down, let's get in the shotgun, empty set. Makes sense.

The team went no-back on 1st and 10 and 2nd and 5 or 6 probably 8 times. Once, Bell was split out wide in the no-back set, after picking up 5 yards on 1st down, but then motioned into the backfield and I thought, "Good. Spreading the defense out and now going to run Bell for a 1st down or somewhere close." Nope ... Bell in the backfield for pass protection and Ben throws an incompletion 20 yards downfield.

Hand the ball to a guy who hasn't run with it since the preseason on 3rd and 1.

Meanwhile, Blount has picked up the necessary yardage on 3rd and short every time? I don't get the hesitation in using him on 3rd and 1. Dude gets the yardage.

Wow. You try to remain positive and they make it hard. If what they were doing made sense, I wouldn't be upset if they won 17-9. But this is hard to watch.

Mike Tomlin knew that #25 - forget his name - would get a pick 6. Genius on his part.

That is why he made sure the offense put up 0 points in the 2nd half against the worst defense in the NFL, by a long shot, and the worst team in the NFL, again by a long shot.

Meanwhile, you want to take away the glory from #25 (whatever his name is).
 
The Steelers are understandably being conservative with Bell, as he looks to be a special talent and they want to avoid running the treads off his tires after a few seasons.

However, with a number two back the caliber of Blount, preserving Bell is not an excuse for them to stray away from the running game like they do.

That 1st and goal sequence in the first quarter where Bell, a player former top backs like Tomlinson and Jones-Drew consider to be the top back in the league, doesn't touch the ball once was inexcusable.
 
Dri Archer equals Rainey v 2. Another wasted pick. This is the kind of thing that really makes me question his decision making.
 
Dri Archer equals Rainey v 2. Another wasted pick. This is the kind of thing that really makes me question his decision making.
Depends if he beats up his girlfriend at some point. If he doesn't go beating on women then it's a plus in my book.
 
Depends if he beats up his girlfriend at some point. If he doesn't go beating on women then it's a plus in my book.

It could be worse he could stab somebody.
 
This has probably been spoken of before now but I don't feel like hunting for it... One thing, among many today and every Sunday, that stood out as proof that Tomlin is in over his head is when Lance Moore, yes, Lance fricking Moore who is lucky to even be on the team, Turned His Back On Tomlin after the celebration penalty and then turned around and Gave Him **** after he kept pestering him. Jive ************ has lost the team, if he ever had it.
 
When I said he's good at building an offense, you can see it in the talent at our skill positions. AB is fantastic. Bell is dynamic, Wheaton, JB, and Bryant have promise. Also 2 former players are among the league leaders starting on their new teams (Wallace and Sanders). We are consistently putting up yardage, but need to be better putting up points. The skill is there, and they have the potential to be very good.
 
That in a nutshell shows what a ****** players coach Tomlin is. The players know he is a jock sniffer and soft and when he tries to go against type they laugh in his face, sad day for the Steelers.
 
When I said he's good at building an offense, you can see it in the talent at our skill positions. AB is fantastic. Bell is dynamic, Wheaton, JB, and Bryant have promise. Also 2 former players are among the league leaders starting on their new teams (Wallace and Sanders). We are consistently putting up yardage, but need to be better putting up points. The skill is there, and they have the potential to be very good.

Almost every team in the league has 2-3 very good players on offense. I can't think of one that doesn't. That doesn't mean Tomlin has built a good offense. A good offense is one that can score. They have a few individual pieces but not a good offense.
 
JB is a crappy fringe player, Sanders was mediocre under Tomlin and of course you fail to mention the awful Oline his entire tenure or the awful scoring offense his entire tenure. This offensive juggernaut scored 10 points today against a team giving up 38 points a game, Tomlin can't identify ****.
 
When I said he's good at building an offense, you can see it in the talent at our skill positions. AB is fantastic. Bell is dynamic, Wheaton, JB, and Bryant have promise.

This is where I feel you're overselling. Brown is a 6th-rounder who has yet to do anything but screw up. Bryant was a 4th and hasn't yet worn a uniform for a regular season game. It's kinda like saying the defense shows promise because we have Shamarko and McLendon.

Also 2 former players are among the league leaders starting on their new teams (Wallace and Sanders).

Sanders was garbage here and Wallace fell off horribly as a Steeler. (He's now back to "decent" in Miami.) If anything, that's an indictment of our offensive coaching.

We are consistently putting up yardage, but need to be better putting up points. The skill is there, and they have the potential to be very good.

But we've never put up points under Tomlin. Ever. We've always been average or worse at it.

And it's not just about skill, it's about scheme, and we're now eight seasons into bumbling schemes that don't produce points. And these schemes NEVER adjust; we ride Arians' or Haley's rigid game plans into the ground with no real tweaks.
 
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