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Deflate-gate......God I hate the Pats!!!!

Does anyone know how much different a football feels from 13 to 11 pounds? I sure don't. Also were the Colts balls tested? The officials have to share some blame, according to the Nfl they are supposed to check the balls they put in play. There just seems to be a lot of jumping to conclusions. If they are found out to have a big difference then i say replay the game, but the outcome will not change. The Pats can run all over them.

Yes, all 24 balls were tested, 12 from the Colts and 12 from the Pats*. The Colts were all fine, but all of the Pats* were under the minimum of 12.5 psi with 11 of them being a whole 2 pounds less. Just like with spygate, if there were no real advantage, then why bother to do it? Why risk it? And the answer is simple, in miserable rainy weather, your guys are going to have a much easier time throwing, catching and holding onto an underinflated ball than you would a regular one. Especially when you have plays in your playbook that call for your QB to throw to a freaking offensive lineman.
 
This had to be done intentionally because all the balls are tested before the game. So that means someone on the pats** staff intentionally de-inflated the balls AFTER the start of the game. Belicheat should be suspended for a year and they should lose their first 3 picks in the draft. Obviously the pats** aren't worried much about getting caught because they keep doing it. The league needs to send a message.
 
This had to be done intentionally because all the balls are tested before the game. So that means someone on the pats** staff intentionally de-inflated the balls AFTER the start of the game. Belicheat should be suspended for a year and they should lose their first 3 picks in the draft. Obviously the pats** aren't worried much about getting caught because they keep doing it. The league needs to send a message.

The refs give the balls to the teams 15 minutes before kickoff. So it's possible it was done right before the start of the game.
 
The refs give the balls to the teams 15 minutes before kickoff. So it's possible it was done right before the start of the game.

Possible but to de-inflate 12 balls to exactly 2 lbs under weight is tough to do out of sight in 15 minutes. Especially since the team is using some of them to warm up. My guess is that they were done a few at a time before and during the game.
 
Plenty for me. Two massive ones, both occurring during periods of great success. Videotaping to memorize opponent signals against league rules, and providing significantly misinflated footballs for their own in-game use.

Also consider that their long-time coordinator - who was with the team during Spygate - was busted in another videotaping scandal on his next team.

I bet there is plenty more. They just haven't been caught yet.
 
Alright, I HAVE to explain this again.

Will you all please forget about the ******* video tape. The video tape is a red herring. It's your David Copperfield slight-of-hand. The video tape is merely a minor part of the puzzle that Ernie Adams needed along with actual coaches with football knowledge.

Here's how the **'s (following Ron's suggestion and using 2 *'s now,) manage the cheat.

A) They filmed the actual plays. This is done all the time and is perfectly legal. All teams do this. Game film is a great tool.
B) They filmed the score board. This gave down & distance and game situation for every given play. This gave the context for which a play (offensive or defensive, was called.)
C) They filmed a coordinator "calling in the play" on the sidelines. This is is illegal. Of course you aren't supposed to be filming the playcalls from the opposing sidelines.
D) They recorded AUDIO signals of the playcalls as well. This is the very MOST IMPORTANT part of the scandal. And the part Roger never wanted ANYONE to know about.

Now, Eric Mangini, who was a coordinator for the Cheaters and later got a job with the Jets called foul to the league when he saw the Cheats repeatedly filming HIS coordinators calling in plays on the sidelines. He knew what was going on and called bullshit. After confronting Belichick and getting nowhere, he finally went to the league and complained. What is VERY VERY IMPORTANT is that there were 2 parts to his complaint.

1) The video taping complaint that we all know so much about.
2) What very few people know about to this day is that Mangini ALSO complained that the **s where also doing a great deal of extra radio recording. and THAT is where the **s make their bread and butter.

This is how the cheaters actually do their work.

Most folks don't realize that Ernie Adams, Belichick's best friend, has a photographic memory. So, what happened for years and years was that the **s filmed other teams, filmed the game situations, and RECORDED the offensive AND defensive signals from the coordinators.

Then they had coaches watch the game film, break down what every single guy was doing on offense and/or defense and essentially learn the language of the opposing teams coordinators. This language was then taught to Ernie Adams. (Ernie has a photographic memory, remember.)

Now, the **s roll into a town, or have a team roll into their stadium and the **s fire up their excessive radio array. (The **s STILL to this day have 3 times as much radio equipment as ANY team in the league.) The **s capture radio transmissions from the OC and DC going to the QB and defensive captain. That signal is relayed to Ernie, who happens to know the opposing team's playbook just as well as that teams coordinator.

Ernie then instantly translates the play into the NE verbiage and radios it down to either Tom Brady's headset or to the **'s defensive captain headset who gets the corresponding team ready for the oncoming play.

Yes. The players still have to make the one on one plays to shut down the play. But they KNOW who the intended receiver is, they KNOW who the secondary receiver is. Or they KNOW who's blitzing and who's dropping back. They KNOW whether it's a disguised cover 2 or a straight man defense. All this let's Tom know who to throw to, how to audible and generally how to look like a really GREAT QB when he's actually a mediocre QB from Michigan who only got to be a starter in the last year or two he was there.

And that's just ONE facet of their cheating program.

And why do they do it? Why cheat when they can beat teams without cheating? Because it's like Madden. If you can beat a team by 45 - 7 in the championship game By GOD you're going to do it.

All I can hope is that with each scandal that is exposed more and more people realize that NONE of the **s players deserve to be enshrined. And again, I think that's kind of a shame. Some of them were and are fine football players but you simply can't honor a legacy that's been tainted by this degree of cheating and duplicity. I can honestly say I would feel exactly the same way if we were finding the same thing out about the Steelers.

Many **'s fans must be feeling overwhelmed with a sickening sense of "Again?" today. I know I have a friend who's a ** fan and I know it irritates the **** out of him when I tell him in complete honesty that I can never respect anything his team has ever accomplished and I can't understand at all how he can call himself a fan at all. He gets this annoyed look on his face and says "You know all teams do the same thing." and I simply respond. "Dude, that's pathetic. You know that's just pathetic, right?" And you can see it in his eyes. Those fans have just sold their souls. It's just empty. Those trophies are completely tarnished.

They really should imprint *'s on them.
 
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Possible but to de-inflate 12 balls to exactly 2 lbs under weight is tough to do out of sight in 15 minutes. Especially since the team is using some of them to warm up. My guess is that they were done a few at a time before and during the game.

That's why this definitely looks like it was a planned ordeal. They knew what's they were going to do and when.
 
Possible but to de-inflate 12 balls to exactly 2 lbs under weight is tough to do out of sight in 15 minutes. Especially since the team is using some of them to warm up. My guess is that they were done a few at a time before and during the game.

Don't forget....they had an additional 15 minutes due to the Packers/Seahawks going OT. They had time.
 
Possible but to de-inflate 12 balls to exactly 2 lbs under weight is tough to do out of sight in 15 minutes. Especially since the team is using some of them to warm up. My guess is that they were done a few at a time before and during the game.

It takes about 1-2 SECONDS per ball. Certainly not more than a couple of minutes to do 12 balls.

I use this gauge http://www.amazon.com/Tachikara-GAUGE-Ball-Pressure-Gauge/dp/B00099YJR2.

Or you can use a tire pressure gauge with a needle adapter and do the same thing.
 
Alright, I HAVE to explain this again.

Will you all please forget about the ******* video tape. The video tape is a red herring. It's your David Copperfield slight-of-hand. The video tape is merely a minor part of the puzzle that Ernie Adams needed along with actual coaches with football knowledge.

Here's how the **'s (following Ron's suggestion and using 2 *'s now,) manage the cheat.

A) They filmed the actual plays. This is done all the time and is perfectly legal. All teams do this. Game film is a great tool.
B) They filmed the score board. This gave down & distance and game situation for every given play. This gave the context for which a play (offensive or defensive, was called.)
C) They filmed a coordinator "calling in the play" on the sidelines. This is is illegal. Of course you aren't supposed to be filming the playcalls from the opposing sidelines.
D) They recorded AUDIO signals of the playcalls as well. This is the very MOST IMPORTANT part of the scandal. And the part Roger never wanted ANYONE to know about.

Now, Eric Mangini, who was a coordinator for the Cheaters and later got a job with the Jets called foul to the league when he saw the Cheats repeatedly filming HIS coordinators calling in plays on the sidelines. He knew what was going on and called bullshit. After confronting Belichick and getting nowhere, he finally went to the league and complained. What is VERY VERY IMPORTANT is that there were 2 parts to his complaint.

1) The video taping complaint that we all know so much about.
2) What very few people know about to this day is that Mangini ALSO complained that the **s where also doing a great deal of extra radio recording. and THAT is where the **s make their bread and butter.

This is how the cheaters actually do their work.

Most folks don't realize that Ernie Adams, Belichick's best friend, has a photographic memory. So, what happened for years and years was that the **s filmed other teams, filmed the game situations, and RECORDED the offensive AND defensive signals from the coordinators.

Then they had coaches watch the game film, break down what every single guy was doing on offense and/or defense and essentially learn the language of the opposing teams coordinators. This language was then taught to Ernie Adams. (Ernie has a photographic memory, remember.)

Now, the **s roll into a town, or have a team roll into their stadium and the **s fire up their excessive radio array. (The **s STILL to this day have 3 times as much radio equipment as ANY team in the league.) The **s capture radio transmissions from the OC and DC going to the QB and defensive captain. That signal is relayed to Ernie, who happens to know the opposing team's playbook just as well as that teams coordinator.

Ernie then instantly translates the play into the NE verbiage and radios it down to either Tom Brady's headset or to the **'s defensive captain headset who gets the corresponding team ready for the oncoming play.

Yes. The players still have to make the one on one plays to shut down the play. But they KNOW who the intended receiver is, they KNOW who the secondary receiver is. Or they KNOW who's blitzing and who's dropping back. They KNOW whether it's a disguised cover 2 or a straight man defense. All this let's Tom know who to throw to, how to audible and generally how to look like a really GREAT QB when he's actually a mediocre QB from Michigan who only got to be a starter in the last year or two he was there.

And that's just ONE facet of their cheating program.

And why do they do it? Why cheat when they can beat teams without cheating? Because it's like Madden. If you can beat a team by 45 - 7 in the championship game By GOD you're going to do it.

All I can hope is that with each scandal that is exposed more and more people realize that NONE of the **s players deserve to be enshrined. And again, I think that's kind of a shame. Some of them were and are fine football players but you simply can't honor a legacy that's been tainted by this degree of cheating and duplicity. I can honestly say I would feel exactly the same way if we were finding the same thing out about the Steelers.

Many **'s fans must be feeling overwhelmed with a sickening sense of "Again?" today. I know I have a friend who's a ** fan and I know it irritates the **** out of him when I tell him in complete honesty that I can never respect anything his team has ever accomplished and I can't understand at all how he can call himself a fan at all. He gets this annoyed look on his face and says "You know all teams do the same thing." and I simply respond. "Dude, that's pathetic. You know that's just pathetic, right?" And you can see it in his eyes. Those fans have just sold their souls. It's just empty. Those trophies are completely tarnished.

They really should imprint *'s on them.

The only problem I have with this excellent assessment is the issue with Ernie Adams. I don't think you can fault the man for having a photographic memory - that's just a cop-out.
Sure, it gives them an advantage, but it's not like other teams can't go out and recruit someone with similar talent, though it's probably the rarest thing to find.
The illegal taping and delivering signals - that's just dirty and should be punished. And it really hasn't.
 
Plenty for me. Two massive ones, both occurring during periods of great success. Videotaping to memorize opponent signals against league rules, and providing significantly misinflated footballs for their own in-game use.

Also consider that their long-time coordinator - who was with the team during Spygate - was busted in another videotaping scandal on his next team.
Don't forget - Josh McDaniels is their OC again now - all cheaters in my book.

Murderers have walked on technicalities. They're still known as murderers.......and any actual fan of the game (or at least what the game originally was) will always know the truth which is that all *'s accomplishments are tainted and illegitimate. I'm good with that because we'll have to be. This story is over as far as the NFL is concerned.

Excellent point.

Wig's too...
 
It's not that I fault Ernie Adams per se. It's just that the **'s are using his talents in such a way as to gain and obvious and unfair advantage. I'm merely explaining HOW the **'s cheat. It's true. If every team in the league employed the same methodology, they could see similar results.

Now, people have posited the question, "Why did the **'s have their best season the year after they were caught?"

The reason is simple. Coaches come from coaching trees and playbooks are complicated. As a coach comes up through a program, he learns from a mentor and takes something from those who "train him" as it were. Along the way they develop dialects essentially in their playcalling language and the basic linguistics of how they approach designing and developing a play.

Once a coach has built a playbook, he has to learn it front and back. Has to know it by heart so he can make decisions quickly in a game based on situation. Then he has to relay that playcall to the QB or the defensive captain. So the player also has to know the playbook well enough to relay a given playcall to the team. Then the BACKUP has to also know the playbook well enough to do the same job. So you need 4 or 5 people on the team who know that playbook REALLY REALLY well.

That means you don't just swap out a playbook in a couple months. Because these things are complicated. You need time for your players to understand very clearly the calls and what everything means. So just because the **'s were caught doesn't mean other teams could change their playbooks. That takes a great deal of time. Furthermore, the **'s didn't stop RECORDING other teams signals. They continued to intercept audio signals.

I am a firm believer that a HUGE part of the reason the Giants were able to give the **'s such fits with their pass rush in the Superbowl is because they DID come into the game with an entirely new playcalling system that the **'s didn't know and Tom Terrific actually had to deal with a pass rush for the first time in years. It further helped that finally fate smiled on someone OTHER than the **'s (The Tyree catch may be one of the greatest Superbowl moments in history.)
 
It takes about 1-2 SECONDS per ball. Certainly not more than a couple of minutes to do 12 balls.

I use this gauge http://www.amazon.com/Tachikara-GAUGE-Ball-Pressure-Gauge/dp/B00099YJR2.

Or you can use a tire pressure gauge with a needle adapter and do the same thing.

I'm sure it can be done quickly. However again the players are warming up with them and I'm almost positive this didn't happen in plain view of everyone. So someone had to take them somewhere or sneak them under something to do it.

Also Wig is 100% correct. Adams isn't the issue. He's just a tool that uses the stolen information quickly. They've probably been cheating the entire time. The NFL should raid the pats** facilities without notice... I bet they'd be shocked at what they are doing.
 
I read a rumor that Blount was asked to do something to get cut from the Steelers so New England could pick him up. Back then I laughed. Now I wonder if there is a small chance it happened.

The local Pittsburgh stations were discussing this the other day. They comment they made about that was that he had to clear waivers before they could pick him up .. but think about it.. he was released for LEAVING the game and being a cancer in the locker room -- what team in their right mind is going to add him to their roster == also were there any other teams in the league that needed a running back at that time ???
 
Does anyone know how much different a football feels from 13 to 11 pounds? I sure don't. Also were the Colts balls tested? The officials have to share some blame, according to the Nfl they are supposed to check the balls they put in play. There just seems to be a lot of jumping to conclusions. If they are found out to have a big difference then i say replay the game, but the outcome will not change. The Pats can run all over them.
I think at the professional level a QB would notice a big difference, just like NASCAR when a driver can notice a 1 lb difference in tire pressure or a pro golfer can tell between a 110 compression ball and a 100 compression ball while Burgundy doesn't know wtf and is just happy when it goes straight.


It takes about 1-2 SECONDS per ball. Certainly not more than a couple of minutes to do 12 balls.

I use this gauge http://www.amazon.com/Tachikara-GAUGE-Ball-Pressure-Gauge/dp/B00099YJR2.

Or you can use a tire pressure gauge with a needle adapter and do the same thing.

It was raining. The ball boys cover the ball they are holding with a towel. I don't think it would be hard to pull a needle out of you pocket and let some air out of the ball under the towel.
 
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I think at the professional level a QB would notice a big difference, just like NASCAR when a driver can notice a 1 lb difference in tire pressure or a pro golfer can tell between a 110 compression ball and a 100 compression ball while Burgundy doesn't know wtf and is just happy when it goes straight.




It was raining. The ball boys cover the ball they are holding with a towel. I don't think it would be hard to pull a needle out of you pocket and let some air out of the ball under the towel.
The Colts player that picked Brady off gave the ball to someone on the Colts sideline. Either the defender or the guy he gave the ball to could tell it was light, so I'm sure a QB would know
 
The Colts player that picked Brady off gave the ball to someone on the Colts sideline. Either the defender or the guy he gave the ball to could tell it was light, so I'm sure a QB would know

They all knew. Brady, the center, the WRs, Gronk and Blount. They had to know. It's like a surgeon saying he didn't notice that a tech handed him a chainsaw instead of a scalpel.
 
The plot thickens .. check out this report

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-concerns-in-november-matchup-with-patriots/


However, a published report Wednesday says the Colts’ suspicions about the inflation of New England’s footballs date back at least to the regular season matchup with New England on November 16.

And again, an interception — two of them, actually — was the catalyst.

According to ESPN’s Adam Schefter, the Colts notified the NFL about potential under-inflation after safety Mike Adams picked off Brady twice in New England’s 42-20 victory.

In both cases, ESPN reported, Adams took the ball to the sideline as a memento, then gave it to the team’s equipment staff.

It was then, ESPN said, that the inflation of the footballs came into question.
 
Heard Brady on the radio laughing at this accusation before the verdict that 11 of the 12 balls were deflated. He said now I heard it all. Yeah right Tom. What QB can't tell the difference between a regulation ball and a deflated one.
 
Heard Brady on the radio laughing at this accusation before the verdict that 11 of the 12 balls were deflated. He said now I heard it all. Yeah right Tom. What QB can't tell the difference between a regulation ball and a deflated one.

Did you notice he never actually denied it. Same with Belicheat when he was asked about it. I could tell just from their responses they knew they were caught with their pants down.
 
Did you notice he never actually denied it. Same with Belicheat when he was asked about it. I could tell just from their responses they knew they were caught with their pants down.

Right. I'm not a huge fan of Skip Bayless, but I'd like to hear him go after these two and get a yes or no out of them.
 
Now, the Ravens have mentioned that their kickers had to adjust the way they kicked in NE because the balls felt lighter and didn't travel as far. With the Ravens, it's hard to tell if they are piling on or have an honest beef. We know they also questioned the substitutions and rules being bent.
 
Now, the Ravens have mentioned that their kickers had to adjust the way they kicked in NE because the balls felt lighter and didn't travel as far. With the Ravens, it's hard to tell if they are piling on or have an honest beef. We know they also questioned the substitutions and rules being bent.

The Ravens don't kick the Pats balls they kick their own balls
 
It was raining. The ball boys cover the ball they are holding with a towel. I don't think it would be hard to pull a needle out of you pocket and let some air out of the ball under the towel.

Which one of you read my post and called 93.7 this afternoon?
 
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